The reason so many expected a penalty us because those hits have been penalized over and over and over the last few years. Many much much lesser launching on defenseless receivers. Which is what the Juju hit was.

Chris what?

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100% agree with you - don't understand how anyone could argue otherwise.

Yeah I came here to say this. When they showed the replay right after it happened, it would've been damn near impossible for Pat to anticipate that. It sorta looked like he was walled of behind a defender and popped up out of nowhere.

Exactly.

I'm actually surprised Cisco hasn't been fined (unless he was and I didn't see it?) despite no penalty. That hit on JuJu was clear helmet to helmet and you're 100% spot on that he launched himself upward with intent to deliver exactly that kind of hit.

Reciever wasn't defenseless and the Packer lowered his head... Come on man!

Cisco actually let up on the play. He stopped his momentum before the hit and hit him almost flat footed. Could've been a lot worse.

Simms is quickly becoming Cowherd part II.

I disagree with that. Most of what Simms says is based in fact and experience. Cowherd just says shit for the sake of saying it.

I literally have never heard Simms say anything that I felt was clickbait. And I listen to his podcast religiously.

And when he saw there was no penalty he didn't hold up on MVS. Luckily it wasn't another full on head shot.

Jack Tatum-ish

Player safety is the responsibility of the league, not the QB's.

Brady would've complained and got the call

It really is a point that should be being made louder by some.

The fact that he WASN'T flagged only encouraged him to go do it again. By failing to punish, they failed to protect.

It really was just a textbook example of what NOT to do by the officiating crew. You couldn't ask for a better teaching tool.

But they'll circle the wagons around their incompetent crew and somehow the wrong lessons will be learned. Again.

Maybe they should have thrown the flag on Mahomes.

When Tatum played it was legal accepted practice. There's a big difference there.

1. The game had a headhunter on defense in Cisco.
2. QBs do have a responsibility to their receivers. Mahomes said so. Tom Brady would agree, but NFL rule changes have also changed that. See quoted story below.
3. MVS was closer to the sideline, yet Cisco still launched himself to try and injure. Headhunting can happen anywhere.
4. Chris Simms has a point but probably he really just wanted people to pay attention to him and listen.
5. Cisco better watch his back because someone will lay him out like JuJu Smith-Schuster slammed Vontaze Burfict.

You guys realize mahomes said the same thing that simms did here....

https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2022...r-hit-week-10/

Did Cisco get fined? Should have

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We do. This is part of what makes Mahomes different than I guy like Wilson. Mahomes will take the bullets even when he's not guilty.

CP is slipping with its Brady dislike. You should have said Brady wouldn't even need to complain to get the call.

Looked like a Madden play to be honest other than it wasn't a pick 6 of course

Simms' click bait hot take = successful campaign for PFT.

It was JuJu’s fault. You should have seen the way he was dressed. He was asking for it
Wait, I may have this confused with something else.

Yup obvious click bait. No one can argue this either. It's pathetic...

He was taunting Cisco with the Thong Song

Def not click bait. It was a mild comment in a conversation that had nothing to do with Mahomes.

If you heard the conversation and podcast in its entirety there's no way you could come to the conclusion that it was some designed click bait.

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I mean… I hate the juju hit but the Mvs is something else and it’s the one people are apologizing most for.

I don’t know that I’ve even seen a guy leap off his feet, shoulders squared sideways to truck a jumping receiver. He doesn’t use his arms to breakaway down a pass. He doesn’t hit him hard using his arms. He tucks his arms in and LEAPS in the air like a battering ram. You’re absolutely right that if Mvs mistimes his jump or doesn’t jump to his highest that would have been a very serious injury. It’s interesting that Mvs jumping high (which makes him way more defenseless) is being used to justify the hit.

I also pointed out in another thread that he tried to truck kelce. But kelce not only spins his way out of it, you can also see Cisco get cold feet realizing he would bounce right the **** off him.

Again, we know Mahomes' personality. What else was he going to say?

Yes, that's what being a runner means. But he was flagged on that since he went crown first into the hit.

You gotta watch more football. It happens every week.

Here's Justin Reid doing it to Tyreek in our playoff game against the Texans. Cisco did get a couple more inches off the ground though. But same concept on the hit

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Good joke but actually what JuJu was wearing may have contributed to his concussion.

JuJu wears a Schutt Air XP Q11. In looking at it, it is round shape with a circle of round air holes in the top. It is an approved helmet, but it rates 15th on the safety performance list. There are several pros that wear this helmet including Aaron Rodgers. It is popular with several of the older players. It looks more like one of the old-style helmets but is still approved.

Last year Travis Kelce wore that helmet but has made a switch to the Schutt F7 which has a little better rating.

Patrick Mahomes was wearing the Vicis 01 but may have switched to the Vicis 02 which has an even better rating.

To see more information on pro helmets and rating see - https://www.whatproswear.com/footbal...the-nfl-nflpa/

Can't put any blame on Mahomes. If it was years ago when hitting WR's hard was legal then yes, but he has never played in a era where big hits are legal so he doesn't worry about it(correctly)

It's called football. Hits gonna happen.:evil:

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Juan Thornhill a month ago.

That was Justin Reid 2 years ago. And he led with his shoulder and hit Tyreek in the armpit.

Helmet-to-helmet contact is illegal in the NFL, period.

I hadn't listened to it, so didn't know if it was Simms clickbait or OP was overblowing it, but.... it's pretty bad.

The comment about "get your receiver killed" is clearly placing blame on Mahomes, as opposed to just asking the question if Mahomes should take any of the blame, or simply saying he's partly to blame.

And then at the 3:30 mark that was pointed out, he wants QBs fined?!? "There are no repercussions!" Uh, they do lose their receiver... and fined?!? LMAO :facepalm:

I was comparing that hit to the MVS hit, not the Juju hit which I already said should have been a penalty.

Okay gotcha.

The time to stop taking Chris Simms seriously was when he started calling Josh Allen a better QB than Patrick Mahomes. That means he's either too stupid to recognize what Mahomes is or he's trolling with hot takes for hits/views. Either way, it's not worth listening to.

Lol, CP is hilarious. When Simms says Mahomes is the greatest QB ever, or JuJu is doing great, or whatever, he's a great analyst. When he says anything critical of KC, he's an idiot.

Yes

Why is that hilarious?

If you say things that are correct, obviously you are doing a good job and you are being a good analyst.

Say completely incorrect things, or wildly stupid things, then yes, you're being an idiot.

Great analysts have said some dumb shit over the years. It happens.

It's really okay to call out dumb shit, and approve of good things. It doesn't need to be one way or the other 100% of the time to have credibility.

But who am I kidding, I'm responding to the guy that thought the close of the first half of the Jaguars game was totally fine, and nobody should have had anything negative to say about that shitshow, because we were going to win the game anyway.

I don't expect you to be able to grasp the concept.

It's hilarious that you have to be so polar about everything. If any commentator says anything that isn't 100% "Mahomes is great and always in the fight," some of you dipsticks have to scream at clouds, even when just a week ago you were all praising the same guy for his incredibly well-thought out analysis. Just look at yourselves.


It doesn't have to be an either/or. Why is it that when Simms say anything even remotely not in Mahomes' favor, he's automatically "wildly wrong?"

Answer: it's probably that he's not wrong, it's that Chief Fan is unable to grasp any nuanced opinion(s).

And what part of the end of the JAX game are you referring to, just so I know what I'm being accused of. Again. :spock:

Had to edit this post. WC isn't pro-Chiefs, he's just pro-Mahomes. Outside of Pat, he hates the coaching staff, the GM, and more than half the players.

Simms has an opinion. We looked at the same video, and many of have a legit disagreement about something he finds obvious from the same play.

Look, I do like Simms. I really do. But there are times when he's wrong. That goes for all of these analysts, including the ones I really really respect like Brett Kollmann. It's hard to talk about something for several hours each day on TV and not get at least a couple things wrong from time to time. And that's EVEN when Simms has had more than 24 hours to prepare something. Remember that time only 2-3 years ago when he did an offseason ranking of the WRs and he put Courtland Sutton on there but not Davante Adams in spite of the wide disparity in career numbers and stats?

We think he's wrong, and as people have broken down from the play that happened, there is a legit side to the argument that he's wrong. It's not just Chiefs fan bias, man. Yes, you can agree with Simms, too. Sometimes there are two opposing views that both have merit depending on interpretation.

Mahomes isn't the greatest QB playing right now? He hasn't had the best start to a career in NFL history?

So ya propping Allen above him IS the DEFINITION of a hot take to drum up interest

Everybody can be wrong. However, what are the odds Sims is wrong vs. WC or you or whoever?

Chris Simms is a former starting NFL QB, with more than a decade of experience playing football at a very high competitive level. And then on top of that he's an expert professional football analyst for however many years.

Anyone here have those credentials?

You? WC?

SNR is going to tear you up for going that route ROFL Dolphin style

These. I remember watching the replay on TV and thinking how the hell did Cisco get there so fast?

Credit to his closing speed by from my armchair it looked like the right throw to me.

Uh, wat? you must be thinking of someone else, because I've always said, since the end of the 2018 season, that Mahomes is the greatest QB I've ever seen.

And nowhere in this thread have I stated anything to the effect of "Josh Allen is better than Mahomes." So respectfully, what the hell are you talking about?

It seriously looked like a Madden play where the defenders warps through a player and destroys the WR.

Chris Simms hot takes

Still have no idea what you're talking about. I don't get to watch every Simms episode, so maybe I missed that one.

He never said anything about Simms' actual takes. He was speaking about CP's general propensity to embrace people that say good things and despise people that say bad things. Not only is that generally true, it's human nature.

So, in lay terms, you’re saying it’s JuJu’s fault for not taking better helmet? :)
Sorry, I couldn’t resist extending the metaphor.
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Like Chris Simms never threw a hospital ball. A WR willing to make tough catches in the middle of the field is an asset. Ju Ju has been known his entire career to make those catches so you utilize your asset. What has become of football jeez you throw to the open man.

I’m not a fan of that either. A receiver up in the air is as defenseless as it gets and the DB is making a very intentional decision to truck a receiver instead of playing the ball or at least an attempt at tackling. People may call the rules soft. No, the reason these rules are in place is because no fan wants to see backups play. It’s one thing to do it in the moment. This is a pattern for Cisco and it’s not one that should be encouraged.

You're a ****ing idiot.

Sorry that the truth about your hero Andy Reid is that he's lost more big games than he's won. It's not hate, it's a matter of ****ing NFL record. He gets you a shot at the big game, and most teams would kill for it. But Big Red in the Big Game doesn't have a winning record and plenty of those losses he earned. 3-5 in championship games, 1-2 in Superbowls.

It's not hate. It's his ****ing win loss record in those games.

And yes if he calls 13 ****ing runs up Humphreys ass for an average of 1 yard or less, I'm going to question wtf he's looking at.

If he coaches down to Sean Mcderpit playing scared to take his 3 and turning the ball over, I'm going to criticize it.

Not hate. Criticism.

As for hating half the players, it's your turn to quote where I said anything negative about half the players.

Negative remarks on Steve Spagnuolo were well earned.

So get to quoting, dipshit, or do us all a favor and shut the **** up.

LMAO
And there you go. Case closed.

And your take on Andy is stupid, just so you know. Name a HOF coach that was available in 2012 that was better, or would've been as successful. I'll wait.

Also, Andy is now the winningest coach in KC history, iirc.

Just one season with fewer than 10 wins. His second one in KC? So, 8 seasons with more than 10 wins, and well ont he way to another.

7 Divisional titles?

A 57% playoff win% as the HC for KC. 72% in the regular season.

4 consecutive AFCCG appearances. Won 2, and lost two through no fault of his own. Unless it's now Andy's fault that Dee Ford lined up offsides. Or that CJ got called for a bogus RTP call. I know, you think it's Andy's fault that the offense shit the bed in the 2nd half of the AFCCG last season, in spite of every NFL analyst coming to the same exact conclusion, which was that Pat shit the bed.

Or that Spags shit the bed in that game because reasons that have nothing to do with reality.

And I literally don't have time to go back and search out all your posts shitting on players.

And I shouldn't really have to, after taking apart your arguments against Andy Reid.

How's this for Andy Ried's coaching ability?

After completely tearing down the WR room and filling it with 5 players that have never spent any time in Andy's offense, two of whom came in as rookies, the Chiefs are the no. 1 scoring offense in the league and 2nd in passing yards/gm.

Again. For like the 4th time.

On defense the team lost the services of both Hitchens and Mathieu, the defensive play-callers for the last three years, and replaced them with Bolton and Justin Ried, a S that had never played in Spags' defense before, plus three rookies in the starting line up?

And somehow Spags defense is top-4 in sacks, ditto QB hurries/hits/pressures or something like that. Top-10 vs. the run, I believe. Yeah, he sux as well, right?

And again, none of the things i wrote above are my opinion.

Those are stone cold hard facts, buddy.

Read 'em and weep.:p

The hardest thing to learn in a trial is when to stay seated.

Fella - you just learned a valuable lesson.

Yup. This is probably one where you just wanna have a seat and let the other guy...uh...work.

Which is still less annoying than the general propensity to appeal to authority. ESPECIALLY when that authority is "he has followers on Twitter".

Ugh - the number of times I've been asked to bow at the alter of some asswipe with a blog or a byline just drive me nuts. I know stuff - **** those guys and their blue checkmarks.

Ah hell, you edited it.

Just couldn't stop yourself from standing up...

What? Bro, I'm not debating Simms about evaluating pro players or analyzing plays, schemes, and concepts. I'm looking at a video and seeing whether what's taking place was a dirty hit or not according to the rules of what should be penalized.

Simms doesn't have magical powers to be able to see into the mind of Cisco and realize he was thinking, "Oh shit, here comes Juju! I hope the way my body is positioned when we collide won't lead to him getting hurt!!!" And if he did have those magical powers, he wouldn't have them specifically because he was a ****ing NFL player.

Glad you're finally coming around to my point of view :D

Sims is a mother****ing hater

He hate us because he anus

Chris Simms failed QB, is not good enough to make it in the NFL throws shade at the best in the league....

LMAO

Chris Simms has the Chiefs winning the SB and has declared Mahomes the NFL MVP front runner.

But sure, he's a hater i guess.

Yup, no way Mahomes could see him coming. Really bad take on Simms part and compounds it with QB's should be fined for it. LOL

Mahomes is one of the BEST at guiding his guys away from defenders. I would expect this kind of take from say Ballsack Sports.

He's pretty good I think. Wrs get led into danger many times every year. Nobody is perfect and even Brady has mentioned he has made errors in same way. I am not saying it was but it happens. To me that asshole didn't need to do what he did. League does not want hits like that. He should have been ejected.

My question is was Cisco fined on either of those hits to the head? It seems like Wednesday they announce fines or maybe end of week.

That's a terrible take. There are plenty of times when QB's leave their WR's out to dry and this wasn't one of them. And to blame JuJu as well? Are you effing kidding me? He's one of the more entertaining podcasts I enjoy, but man this was bad.

I'm fine with the hit. Sucks it happened to a Chief but as a football fan I want to see big hits on WRs and QBs and that has become extremely rare in 2022. Allowing this makes the game way better to watch.

You say that until Malik Willis is your QB and you can't win anything...

I haven't seen anything yet and I'm just a tad shocked they haven't announced anything - it's like we are more focused on breaking household appliances....