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Megatron96 01-01-2023 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16701323)
The problem with this team isn't the offense. And it certainly isn't a lack of runs on offense. Dumb, dumb stuff here.

1 rush by KC in three consecutive possessions, 8 incompletes in a row to start the 3rd quarter. PUNT PUNT PUNT. What am I missing?

Tribal Warfare 01-01-2023 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16701323)
The problem with this team isn't the offense. And it certainly isn't a lack of runs on offense. Dumb, dumb stuff here.

They do get too cute in the redzone

Bump 01-01-2023 05:15 PM

lol imagine complaining about having the #1 offense and winning all of the time, KYS

ILikeBigTiddys 01-01-2023 05:17 PM

Andy trying to win Mahomes the mvp. We’re obviously better when we have a balanced attack.

DaFace 01-01-2023 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16701335)
Okay, let's say I agree with you about the context.



Then why is it when the Chiefs push it past about 30% rushing vs. 70% passing they lose more games? And/or the games are always closer, and the Chiefs scoring efficiency declines significantly?



The sweet spot for the Chiefs has been right around 60/40 in the Mahomes era, give or take a couple percentage points. Don't think they've lost a single game when they've kept that ratio.

Again, cause and affect. You can't keep that ratio if you're behind. You can run for 2 YPC all first half, fall behind, and end up having to pass it 99% of the time in the second half trying to save clock for a comeback.

Teams don't lose games because they pass a lot. They pass a lot because they're losing.

KC_Connection 01-01-2023 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 16701343)
They do get too cute in the redzone

Might have something to do with the fact that the team has no short run game to speak of. Like at all.

You shouldn't be running with a team that can't run.

KC_Connection 01-01-2023 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16701341)
1 rush by KC in three consecutive possessions, 8 incompletes in a row to start the 3rd quarter. PUNT PUNT PUNT. What am I missing?

The fact that the Chiefs are the league's best offense by a mile probably.

And it certainly isn't because of their run game.

Megatron96 01-01-2023 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16701361)
The fact that the Chiefs are the league's best offense by a mile probably.

And it certainly isn't because of their run game.

So no actual explanation for why the offense couldn't convert a single first down in that stretch utilizing the world's best passing attack. Got it.

KC_Connection 01-01-2023 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16701366)
So no actual explanation for why the offense couldn't convert a single first down in that stretch utilizing the world's best passing attack. Got it.

What are you even arguing here? Whatever it is it makes no sense at all.

The Chiefs have the best offense in football by a metric ton and it is because they pass a huge amount with the best/most talented QB in NFL history.

bobbything 01-01-2023 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16701341)
1 rush by KC in three consecutive possessions, 8 incompletes in a row to start the 3rd quarter. PUNT PUNT PUNT. What am I missing?

About four drops.

Pitt Gorilla 01-01-2023 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 16701321)
You're probably misinterpreting cause and affect there. Teams throw more when they're behind and run more when they have the lead.

We pass because we're good at it. Andy even specifically said in the post game that the Broncos were playing heavy run defense, so we passed to take advantage of it.

That's PRECISELY why you do it. Chief Fans want to run into a 9-man box and then wonder why we can't get very many yards.

Wallcrawler 01-01-2023 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16701341)
1 rush by KC in three consecutive possessions, 8 incompletes in a row to start the 3rd quarter. PUNT PUNT PUNT. What am I missing?

The ability to engage in an intelligent discussion apparently.

As if multiple 1-2 yard gains sprinkled in would change the situation that this game was on Mahomes to win.

Guys dropping passes, and blown pass protections had a lot to do with it but sure, let's waste every first down with a shit run, get Pat behind in the chains and then what?

Can he get 2 shots to convert?

No?

Ok let's get another ****ing 1 yard salad toss in there to satiate dilphag and megaturd's appetite for a wholly ineffective run game.

Ok Pat, now it's 3rd and long, You got one chance to convert this BUT HEY WE KEPT EM HONEST BOIIIIIII!!!

THEYLL NEVER SUSPECT A PASS NOW!!

**** outta here reerun.

Chris Meck 01-01-2023 06:17 PM

As an aside, I just want to make sure that while I absolutely advocate for a more balanced attack, say something more like 60/40 pass/run, I do not advocate for running on every first down.

I also do not advocate for running every time Pacheco is in the game.

The ENTIRE point of running the ball is, to me, to make the offense unpredictable and force the defense to play each and every down honestly.

Carry on.

Megatron96 01-01-2023 06:24 PM

No one wants KC to run on 1st down every time. Not even most of the time. No rushes in three consecutive possessions is kind of extreme though, especially when we had the lead.

Megatron96 01-01-2023 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler (Post 16701588)
The ability to engage in an intelligent discussion apparently.

As if multiple 1-2 yard gains sprinkled in would change the situation that this game was on Mahomes to win.

Guys dropping passes, and blown pass protections had a lot to do with it but sure, let's waste every first down with a shit run, get Pat behind in the chains and then what?

Can he get 2 shots to convert?

No?

Ok let's get another ****ing 1 yard salad toss in there to satiate dilphag and megaturd's appetite for a wholly ineffective run game.

Ok Pat, now it's 3rd and long, You got one chance to convert this BUT HEY WE KEPT EM HONEST BOIIIIIII!!!

THEYLL NEVER SUSPECT A PASS NOW!!

**** outta here reerun.

Who said anything about running it on first down? i think I specifically said that 1 rush in three possessions was too lopsided, or words to that effect. Try reading comprehension.

TEX 01-01-2023 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16701646)
Who said anything about running it on first down? i think I specifically said that 1 rush in three possessions was too lopsided, or words to that effect. Try reading comprehension.

Jeez, another thread where you're full of shit. Who whould have thunk it? Know- it -all idiot

RunKC 01-01-2023 07:50 PM

I think these games are ones Andy grinds through bc they mean absolutely nothing to him. It’s gotten worse with Patrick as his QB.

Think about it. Every September we blow the doors off these teams. We do new shit and score points. Defenses have no idea what to do to stop it.

We do new stuff and iterations of old plays in different ways like this against games we care about or early in the year:

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Games like today do nothing but put tape out for the Bills and Bengals if we open the playbook. Andy still has issues but he will use his regular stuff in these games bc he knows we are just better than them and will come out on top.

Demonpenz 01-01-2023 07:52 PM

run screens it is about it

Jewish Rabbi 01-01-2023 07:59 PM

Dlphag and starting a thread bitching about a win - name a more iconic duo

smithandrew051 01-01-2023 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 16701866)
Dlphag and starting a thread bitching about a win - name a more iconic duo

Cave and Belize

Megatron96 01-01-2023 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 16701848)
Jeez, another thread where you're full of shit. Who whould have thunk it? Know- it -all idiot

Aw, where did i touch you? Can you show me on the doll, sweetie?

But don't fret, I don't know everything; just more than you. Not a high bar, and to you it might seem like a mountain, but rest assured that you're 100% incorrect once again.

Happy New Year!

TambaBerry 01-01-2023 08:08 PM

legit question because idk it just feels like it. Has Mahomes been bad at deep passes this year?

stevieray 01-01-2023 08:09 PM

I know!

We keep finding ways to win, despite ourselves.

The horror of it all.

smithandrew051 01-01-2023 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 16701882)
legit question because idk it just feels like it. Has Mahomes been bad at deep passes this year?

I think we underrated Tyreek’s ability to adjust and hit that extra gear

tredadda 01-01-2023 08:14 PM

Starting to think KC is like that predator who toys with their prey before killing them. They had zero issues building a lead and suddenly couldn’t move the ball. Once Denver took the lead they rattled off two straight TDs. They are a killer whale and the Broncos are that seal that gets flopped back and forth.

BWillie 01-01-2023 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 16701883)
I know!

We keep finding ways to win, despite ourselves.

The horror of it all.

It's important to play well. We have played our D game 4 out of our last 5 games. That is problemsome.

Kman34 01-01-2023 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 16701901)
Starting to think KC is like that predator who toys with their prey before killing them. They had zero issues building a lead and suddenly couldn’t move the ball. Once Denver took the lead they rattled off two straight TDs. They are a killer whale and the Broncos are that seal that gets flopped back and forth.

Yeah its like .. lets work on this or that and see if it works in the 3rd quarter.. then pull out the good stuff if we're behind or a 1 score game in the 4th..

bringbackmarty 01-01-2023 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 16699728)
This shit is outrageous. We have had 30 plays on offense so far and a whooping 6 have been runs. 80/20 pass to run ratio is not going to get it done. Our offense looks like garbage when we go one dimensional.

It's what andy do.
He believes in the potential for a big play, even if it's a jet sweep pass or a quick throw to the flat, screen, rpo. He's always done this and it's never going to change. Dude likes to score a lotta points, strongly believes the pass, short or long is what gets him to the endzone more often than the run. I wish he would run it more but he'll never even approach 40% designed runs. He could have Barry Sanders, wouldn't matter. Hell, even with Jamal Charlesand alex smits. he threw it 60+% of the time.

petegz28 01-01-2023 08:37 PM

We need to run the ball more. Andy cannot abandon the run after the defense stopping one play. I don't care how you cut it but come playoff time, teams that can run the ball and play defense tend to do better. We can run the ball but we freak out if the D makes one stop against our run.

tredadda 01-01-2023 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bringbackmarty (Post 16701958)
It's what andy do.
He believes in the potential for a big play, even if it's a jet sweep pass or a quick throw to the flat, screen, rpo. He's always done this and it's never going to change. Dude likes to score a lotta points, strongly believes the pass, short or long is what gets him to the endzone more often than the run. I wish he would run it more but he'll never even approach 40% designed runs. He could have Barry Sanders, wouldn't matter. Hell, even with Jamal Charlesand alex smits. he threw it 60+% of the time.

Well, FWIW Hunt did win the rushing title as a rookie.

Easy 6 01-01-2023 08:39 PM

Am I the first to say YOU are too damn predictable?

petegz28 01-01-2023 08:40 PM

I don't care if it's a straight run or a pass to the RB but some of our biggest plays have been passes to the RB be it Pacheco or JMcK.

tk13 01-01-2023 08:55 PM

We have Andy Reid and the best QB in the game so this is just how it's going to be sometimes.

I do agree though and have said that if we're going to beat the Bengals we do probably need to run the ball better. Not Hermball but definitely enough that the running game is a weapon. I think it seems to be a much bigger deal when we play the really good teams like Buffalo and Cincy that are legit defenses and are completely selling out at all costs to stop the pass. We either have to run the ball effectively a little bit or Mahomes just has to play out of his mind at the absolute highest level with no mistakes.

mr. tegu 01-01-2023 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16701335)
Okay, let's say I agree with you about the context.

Then why is it when the Chiefs push it past about 30% rushing vs. 70% passing they lose more games? And/or the games are always closer, and the Chiefs scoring efficiency declines significantly?

The sweet spot for the Chiefs has been right around 60/40 in the Mahomes era, give or take a couple percentage points. Don't think they've lost a single game when they've kept that ratio.


There is precisely zero chance it’s a 60/40 split through three quarters or even 50 minutes in those games they win.

Pitt Gorilla 01-01-2023 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 16701882)
legit question because idk it just feels like it. Has Mahomes been bad at deep passes this year?

That miss to MVS today was pretty bad.

IowaHawkeyeChief 01-01-2023 09:52 PM

the only thing predictable each week is your bleeding vag starting a dumb ass thread... Literally every week you do it...

Coochie liquor 01-02-2023 08:33 AM

At least my shitty thread was after a loss. OP is a mouth breathing reerun. And for people who say Andy won’t run the ball, do you remember the AFCCG against TN? Andy ran the ball down their throats the entire second half.

1st & 10 at KC 27
(6:58 - 3rd) Dam.Williams right guard to KC 33 for 6 yards (R.Evans; K.Correa).
2nd & 4 at KC 33
(6:25 - 3rd) (Shotgun) Dam.Williams right tackle to KC 36 for 3 yards (K.Correa; K.Vaccaro).
3rd & 1 at KC 36
(5:47 - 3rd) Dam.Williams left guard to KC 41 for 5 yards (L.Ryan).
1st & 10 at KC 41
(5:09 - 3rd) (Shotgun) Dam.Williams up the middle to KC 42 for 1 yard (H.Landry).
2nd & 9 at KC 42
(4:29 - 3rd) (Shotgun) P.Mahomes pass short left to S.Watkins to KC 49 for 7 yards (T.Brock).
3rd & 2 at KC 49
(3:49 - 3rd) (Shotgun) P.Mahomes scrambles left end ran ob at TEN 47 for 4 yards (K.Byard).
1st & 10 at TEN 47
(3:18 - 3rd) T.Hill right end to TEN 40 for 7 yards (J.Brown).
2nd & 3 at TEN 40
(2:31 - 3rd) (Shotgun) D.Thompson right end to TEN 33 for 7 yards (K.Byard).
1st & 10 at TEN 33
(1:46 - 3rd) (Shotgun) P.Mahomes scrambles left end ran ob at TEN 22 for 11 yards (L.Ryan).
1st & 10 at TEN 22
(1:13 - 3rd) Dam.Williams right end ran ob at TEN 18 for 4 yards (A.Jackson).
2nd & 6 at TEN 18
(0:38 - 3rd) (Shotgun) P.Mahomes pass short right to T.Hill pushed ob at TEN 3 for 15 yards (W.Woodyard).
END QUARTER 3
1st & Goal at TEN 3
(15:00 - 4th) P.Mahomes pass incomplete short right to A.Sherman.
2nd & Goal at TEN 3
(14:50 - 4th) Damien Williams 3 Yard Rush H.Butker extra point is GOOD, Center-J.Winchester, Holder-D.Colquitt.

TwistedChief 01-02-2023 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 16702532)
At least my shitty thread was after a loss. OP is a mouth breathing reerun.

I love you again, bro.

King_Chief_Fan 01-02-2023 08:41 AM

maybe, just maybe...Chiefs are keeping it close and not opening up and will wait to show the door kicking down offense in playoffs.:shrug:

Reroka 01-02-2023 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 16699728)
This shit is outrageous. We have had 30 plays on offense so far and a whooping 6 have been runs. 80/20 pass to run ratio is not going to get it done. Our offense looks like garbage when we go one dimensional.

Any loves forgetting that he can run the ball esp when we are running the ball well.

Also, Andy needs to stop this friendly and keep his foot on the fas pedal even if we are up 45.

Coochie liquor 01-02-2023 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16702533)
I love you again, bro.

I had a drunken meltdown. It happens. Being on vacation has cleared my thick skull!

displacedinMN 01-02-2023 10:56 AM

I felt like we ran a lot on first down.

Did not see every time, but much of the game

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DaFace 01-02-2023 11:00 AM

Run the ball more, Andy!!!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs continue to pass the ball at IDGAF rates with insane efficiency<br><br>Patrick Mahomes stays delivering brilliant efficiency yet is sliding under the radar <a href="https://t.co/rttY7h2WkV">pic.twitter.com/rttY7h2WkV</a></p>&mdash; Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1609718926396514305?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 2, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

tredadda 01-02-2023 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 16702801)
Run the ball more, Andy!!!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs continue to pass the ball at IDGAF rates with insane efficiency<br><br>Patrick Mahomes stays delivering brilliant efficiency yet is sliding under the radar <a href="https://t.co/rttY7h2WkV">pic.twitter.com/rttY7h2WkV</a></p>&mdash; Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1609718926396514305?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 2, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Honestly our offense suffered more when we kept taking deep shots yesterday than when we played the short passing/screen game.


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