I don't know what he has or is doing that other GMs don't, but ... hoooooly crap his ability to find gems is just outstanding. Whether it's late-round picks or fleecing teams for players that either fit KC's scheme (see: Giants, New York) or no longer fit KC for whatever reason (see: Dolphins, Miami), dude has been nailing it time and again.

Did they expand their scouting department? (No clue what rules -- if any -- are placed on NFL scouts, tbh.) The coaching staff finding players/mentioning ones they like and suggesting them?

Pats were the same way for a long time, but ... well, the magic seems to be a bit gone there now. (Almost like having a great QB can cover up deficiencies in other areas. :hmmm: )

Whatever the hell it is, other teams will figure it out eventually. Just hope its long after this current run is done.

Sustaining success in the NFL is almost impossible given the structure of draft, what you pay the elite QB that you need to have any chance at sustained success, and free agency.

You have to have an outlier like Veach who can continually find good players in the draft despite picking at the end of virtually every round. Finding guys in rounds 4-7 consistently is rare for even the best GMs in the league. He's the Patrick Mahomes of GMs. He's young. He's already at the top imo. At his current trajectory he honestly has a chance to retire in 25 years as the best to ever do it.

We're incredibly blessed to have him and Mahomes for the next decade-plus. We'll always be in the mix for a championship. Which for a lifelong Chiefs fan doesn't even seem real.

That tweet is incredible.

Adding to its incredible-ness, the Chiefs fielded three additional rookies on the field yesterday.

Chenal on ST and D (3rd)
Johnson on ST (7th)
Cochrane on ST (UDFA)

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Couple crazy stats from the Nate Taylor article.

“While in pursuit of reaching the Super Bowl, the Chiefs developed eight rookies, with the group accounting for 3,721 snaps on either offense or defense, the seventh-most in the league according to Joseph Hefner of Kansas City Sports Network.”

“Mahomes, after all, is just one of 11 players on this year’s roster who played in the Chiefs’ comeback victory against the San Francisco 49ers in Super Bowl LIV.”

Not to take anything away from Brad Veech and the scouting dept. putting clown shoes on every other GM in the late rounds, but Andy Reid and the coaches also deserve a lot of credit for building a culture where late round rookies get reps and have a legitimate opportunity to shine. Would Watson, Williams and Pacheco have this level of development if they had been drafted by the Raiders or Browns?

Godsend. He's strategic, competent, and poised. Best GM in the NFL. Sprinkle in his innovation and self-awareness and we are light years ahead of his predecessors. :wayne:

Nope. Definitely credit to Spags and his staff in particular. What they have done with this secondary this year is nothing short of incredible.

Bruce Vlee

Our coaches' ability to teach and develop is amazing. Bert buys great ingredients, but KC has Executive Chefs preparing the cuisine.

It would be great if people quit the really really really stupid and childish misspelling of his name. It makes everyone sound like a 8 year old.

And several of those 11 are backups and special teamers. This is something that I don't think even the national NFL media has fully realized, this team isn't just slightly retooled, it was rebuilt on its feet.

Yeah whatever dookster.

KC wins the SB with this roster and they take notice.

Whether we win Sunday or not, Veach has GOT to be NFL Excecutive of the year.

A simply incredible off-season, total re-stock in one ****ing draft.

Unbelievable job.

one more draft like that and we might four-peat. Quad-pete? Re-re-pete?

Not sure who our DB coach(es) are, but damn, they've done an incredible job in getting these youngsters ready to play. Escalades and KaDo's all 'round!!!

they just looked for length, speed, and coach-ability.

Get some guys with attributes who want to work and coach 'em up.

Smart, smart, smart.

50cocksters has a point

Velcro Burlap sacks your ass, Poststir Five-0

That may very well be. But I laugh every. Single. Time. Nut posts Bork Laser.

I've not yet seen one misspelling of Brint Veetch

This is basically porn


https://www.twobillsdrive.com/commun...fs-draft-2022/

What's the odds of Brice Vortex trading up in the first round again this years draft in Kansas City? Clark Hunt told him not to trade out of the first but I think we could trade up because we have extra picks.

The draft will be at Union Station. Maybe a good omen for theBills

The rest of the NFL world just wasn't paying attention after the Tyreek Hill trade. Now it's too late.

It would be great if you never posted again

Draft picks he's gotten a decent amount of production on by year

2022 - 8 out of 10
2021 - 4 out of 6
2020 - 4 out of 6 - I'm counting MEH, because he did look really good before he got hurt his rookie year.
2019 - 5 out of 6 - counting Allegretti, because he's been a decent back up and works good in a pinch.
2018 - 1 out of 6

That's 22/34 players in 5 years that have/are contributing in a pretty big way. Only his first draft wasn't good, but god damn he's a wizard.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What&#39;s does the average ROI for every pick over the past four drafts look like for each team?<br><br>For reference, the 1st overall pick is worth 3000 on the Fitgerald-Spielberger chart and the 63rd pick is worth 900. <a href="https://t.co/0KMnAeZZYG">pic.twitter.com/0KMnAeZZYG</a></p>&mdash; Steven Patton (@PattonAnalytics) <a href="https://twitter.com/PattonAnalytics/status/1622701103186845696?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Nice drafting Bort!

Jets, Patriots - ooof

Patriots are literally one of the absolute worst teams in the draft. Shit pick after shit pick. Year after year after year.

Someone on our scouting staff has a knack for finding defensive back gems.

If I’m reading that chart correctly, Bork Laser is the best drafting GM in the league.

Seems about right.

Pretty sure this is como's twitter account. Same dumb ass arguments he used on here.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You should see my mentions for that same thing. His fans want you to say he’s the greatest GMs ever and I’d you don’t, you are a hater and an idiot</p>&mdash; Steven Steiner (@SteinerHereford) <a href="https://twitter.com/SteinerHereford/status/1622684928516231179?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Absolutely ****ing reeruned. If this is your take after what he pulled off this offseason, you should be ignored forever.

I remember every draft for several years where the Pats would be loading up on draft picks and the pundits would be like "uh oh, Belichick is getting a bunch of picks. Theyre really gonna improve that championship team!"

Also, reminder that even como has accepted Veach as his lord and savior.

Just goes to show just how dumb those people on Twitter are. Yeesh.

So this maroon is complaining that Veach hasn't signed a bunch of high cost FAs and we're going to the 3rd SB in 4 years after hsting 5 consecutive AFCCGs. What a nincowpoop
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Ironic he calls people haters that don’t agree with him. He’s either clueless and rattling off talking points or he has zero clue about football outside of maybe Madden.

Wow, it really is. :whackit:

My favorite part is their board had people saying McDuffie's arms were too short too and had other posters calling out how stupid that is.

This guy is a ****ing idiot. Let’s look at some of his worst takes.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Me before the draft: &quot;I don&#39;t like George Karlaftis, and I don&#39;t want the Chiefs to draft him&quot;<br><br>Me after the 1st round: &quot;The Chiefs had an above average round, but I still don&#39;t like George Karlaftis&quot;<br><br>Veach stans: &quot;lol you just hate Brett Veach loser&quot;</p>&mdash; Paul Foeller (@pfoeller) <a href="https://twitter.com/pfoeller/status/1520041468303450112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 29, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lmao

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Veach filling out the roster spots for CBs <a href="https://t.co/ToR3U4bl5M">https://t.co/ToR3U4bl5M</a></p>&mdash; Paul Foeller (@pfoeller) <a href="https://twitter.com/pfoeller/status/1513636625569431555?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 11, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I only got a chance to read the first page of the thread.

I’m gonna go home. Pour myself some wine. Get under the covers. And read the other 5 pages.

It’s that good.

*drafts McDuffie

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Unfortunately, there&#39;s no way Veach actually takes an elite CB. He hates spending any resources at all at that position.</p>&mdash; Paul Foeller (@pfoeller) <a href="https://twitter.com/pfoeller/status/1512795968428818438?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Does he have any good takes? I think he is in his own world as it appears no one has retweeted anything he said or even like it.

No. His takes pretty much all suck.

He made a bunch of statements about Veach that turned out to be false. Criticized a bunch of his picks, which turned out to be good. Now, that he looks like an idiot, he won’t apologize. He’s playing the “can’t criticize Veach at all without people being haters” card.

It’s all just valid criticism though right?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Or Brett Veach sucks at his job</p>&mdash; Paul Foeller (@pfoeller) <a href="https://twitter.com/pfoeller/status/1519858355719835649?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 29, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

We might be ****ed. The roster is getting worse boys.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Position group comparison before the Veach hire vs now (if Tyreek is traded):<br><br>QB: Same<br>RB: Worse<br>WR: Worse<br>TE: Same<br>OL: Better<br>DL: Same or slightly worse<br>LB: Same<br>CB: Same or slightly worse<br>S: Same or slightly better<br><br>The roster is getting worse. That&#39;s failure for him. Period.</p>&mdash; Paul Foeller (@pfoeller) <a href="https://twitter.com/pfoeller/status/1506658126212308995?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 23, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Gosh we have nobody like that here, especially in the Karlaftis thread. Right?

If his name were Jake and his last name started with an F, it would make a lot of sense.

This guy also called the Chenal pick the best value pick that Veach has had.

I like Chenal, but the answer is either Sneed, Pacheco, or Watson. In fairness, it was before the regular season started. Still, it was easily Sneed at the time.

Lmfao

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fire Brett Veach, who is the only one in that list consistently failing to do their job.<br><br>I&#39;m not sure why you&#39;re pretending that &quot;fire your worst employees and keep your best employees&quot; is some vastly unknowable position.</p>&mdash; Paul Foeller (@pfoeller) <a href="https://twitter.com/pfoeller/status/1506655195878539266?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 23, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Don't forget Smith.

Veach has had so many good ones that sometimes it’s hard to remember.

Danna has turned into a great value too.

He should get credit for Charvarius Ward and Harrison Butker, rescued off other teams' garbage piles

Williams will probably enter the converstion at some point.

Watson has been so good too. Stellar for such a late pick.

There's clown shoes, then there's whatever the **** this is.

Just who is this ass-clown, Foeller?

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to know he posts here on a regular.

Lolz. Now that's well played. rep

Ooh! Ooh! I'll play!
QB: Same (nope, better. Mahomes has improved and only a fool would say otherwise.)
RB: Worse (than pre-woman kicking Hunt? Sure. Anything after that? Better.)
WR: Worse (if you're saying what, healthy Sammy Watkins? That happened almost never.)
TE: Same (nope, way better. Gray and Fortson are coming right along, in my opinion.)
OL: Better (no question.)
DL: Same or slightly worse (nope, slightly better.)
LB: Same (Way, way better. Not even close.)
CB: Same or slightly worse (no way. It's way better, and will only get better over the next few seasons.)
S: Same or slightly better (Slightly? Daniel ****ing Sorensen. **** off with this noise.)

I'll say it. I've been a fan of the Chiefs for over 42 years. Brett Veach is hands down the best GM we've ever had over that span.

Oh, and Foeller can go **** himself with a ponderosa pinecone. Sideways. Repeatedly.

I'm 51, I can't even remember who was before Carl. It just didn't matter. Veach is awesome.

I grew up with Jim Schaaf (sp?). Think he was right before Carl. He was responsible for 'the worst start and longest losing streak in team history,' iirc. So fun times.

Oh wow the Butker find was Veach, wasn't it? And Tommy Townsend, arguably the best punter in the league.

Of all the years watching football I Belize that Blake Vineyards had the best back to back draft classes in the history of the NFL.

This dude really doesn't remember how bad our linebackers, corners and safeties were?

They were ****ing atrocious.

Have ZERO idea what team he's been watching. But sure, Big Dick Nick and Gay aren't better than literally EVERY KC linebacker (off-ball or otherwise) since Derrick Johnson... :rolleyes:

Under Bridge Vista we have picked 3rd to last, very last, 2nd to last, 3rd to last and very last again for the 2023 draft held in Kansas City. He sets us up for successful future. We are perinial Super Bowl contenders because he knows wtf he is doing.

When did Veach sign Uncle Bridge Vista? And what position does he play?

Jaguars fan holding out his hands and shaking his head in disbelief like wtf gif.



Sent from my contraband phone at work.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/02/07/se...russell-wilson

I’ve told the Isiah Pacheco draft story before.

The Chiefs went into last year’s draft noticing the glut of running backs. It happened, in large part, thanks to the COVID year of 2020. The fact of the matter is backs need tape, and because of cancellations in 2020, more of them than usual stayed an extra year in school, and that led, as Kansas City saw it, to a list of guys at the position that were intriguing all the way to the end of the draft. And making those late-round backs a focus, the Chiefs did a ton of homework, and plucked Pacheco’s name from the pack.

So, anyway, I figured I’d have Chiefs GM Brett Veach chime in on it when I had him on the phone Saturday morning for our MMQB lead item.

“Typically, with those late-round running backs, you have, whatever, eight, nine of them,” Veach said. “And I remember as we were getting through the combine meetings and the post-combine meetings and the Pro Days, we get to the running back day when we're a few weeks out of the draft and we're still working through these late-round, free-agent type guys and just noticing that there's so many. And I told the guys, there's so many running backs, it just tells you like one of these guys is gonna be really good here and we just have to make sure we get this stack right and hopefully we get the right one.

“I joked with them at some point saying, like, We're gonna run out of time here because we are spending way too much time on running backs. There were so many, but we systematically got through it, and we had him on the board based off his tape. Now, his tape was a little bit different because it wasn't like he had crazy, insane production. It was more of, a big running back that runs hard, has pretty good feel in between the tackles and he was, whatever he was, 5'11", 200 pounds. Just felt like he fit that mold based off tape.

“But there were a ton of guys—and we thought he would run fast but we didn't know how fast. And so when he goes to the combine and runs a 4.3, all of a sudden, it kinda lights up like a neon light, like whoa. We kind of like this guy a little late, but this guy runs 4.3. Let's make sure we're going through this stack, let’s make sure we're aware of all these verified numbers now.

“Then … It's a passing league and we're a passing team. We do so much with our running backs in regards to the passing game and pass [protection]. The one thing that held us up initially was, I don't know if he had four catches. I mean, he had no pass production, and we didn't know, is this gonna be one of those guys that is a really good runner but when you come of the backfield, the guy has like stone hands and it just looks off? I mean, the guy can run 4.3. He can be 220 pounds. He can be a bulldozer. But, I mean, with the way we run our offense, like this guy's got to be able to catch.

“And we’d went to the all-star games and you saw some more and you felt pretty good about it. Then the pro day, just had a phenomenal pro day and caught everything, snagged everything, looked confident, looked comfortable. Now, pro days are different from games, but I think you saw enough, or we got to the point where we didn't want to risk [losing] the guy in [college] free agency. We liked him off tape, but once we got through the combine, the numbers got verified and then you went back and watched the all-star games and then cherry on top was the pro day.”

And the rest, of course, is history.

I had to fix it. I tried to type Under Bridge Vista. Sometimes it's challenging to type things on my contraband phone at work and I have big thumbs easy to make mistakes.

Or if he lived on 493rd Street.

https://i.redd.it/iv380k2nt8ga1.jpg

Not sure why no Sneed

The eagles offense is quite homegrown though.

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Ohhhhhhh....good stuff.
I've really been enjoying myself over at 2BD the last few weeks. A lot to sift through over there, it's neat-o. It's nice to get a different perspective on my favorite team, The Kansas City Chiefs. Thanks for posting those links, folks!

I’m excited about skyy. I’m looking forward to his development next season. That punt return was huge and how about the coaching staffs balls to put him back there for that punt return after all his fumbles. I’m not sure we win without that punt return.

So Pacheco was a projected 6th rounder and Veach got him in the 7th. Wow, that’s amazing. Or not


https://www.nfl.com/prospects/isiah-...1-d5a8938af2e4

I think folks are more impressed with his production as a 7th rounder and less so with where he was "projected" to be drafted.

To that point, I have no idea where Watson was "supposed" to be drafted, but his production has similarly been impressive given his draft position.