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RealSNR 02-24-2023 07:17 AM

"Let's see him win a playoff game on the road!"

Wouldn't it be hilarious if by the end of his career Mahomes had a Brady-like resume and never played a single road playoff game other than the Super Bowl?

TomBarndtsTwin 02-24-2023 07:20 AM

So why exactly are we giving this douche bag time, clicks and attention?

Just bored?






(Yes, I know, it’s the off season)

BigRedChief 02-24-2023 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Realbaddog (Post 16824639)
Why Patrick Mahomes is an Overrated Gimmick Propped Up By Andy Reid........:shake:

Give me a break. They are coming out of the woodwork after our Super Bowl win.

Coach Jason Brown: “’Trolling’ sounds like it’s a ‘falsehood’, or a ‘lie’, or it’s a non-truth, and it’s making up things to get clickbait; that’s not me. Anyone who knows me knows I don’t put out crap just to get clicks, I don’t really care. What I say is the TRUTH, and the Kansas City fan base can’t handle it so you can't call me me a ‘troll’. Where has this great Chiefs fan base been the last 15 years? Where were they when Mahomes played at Texas Tech? I said the same stuff last year and didn’t hear anything from them. I am a ‘truth teller’, and the true Chiefs fan base actually agrees with me.”

Link:https://foxsportsradio.iheart.com/co...-by-andy-reid/

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 16824643)
Congratulations - you've spread awareness of this, which gives them clicks, which makes them more likely to write more inane bullshit in the future, which will almost certainly be posted here...

This!

We all know people trash the Chiefs and Mahomes mostly without merit just to get clicks from the haters and Chief fans outraged that someone had to gall to say Mahomes sucks. We all know better. Dont feed the trolls.

tredadda 02-24-2023 08:32 AM

Honestly as long as he doesn't vote for All Pro, MVP, SB MVP, or the HOF then his opinion is irrelevant. He is trying to rile people up to get clicks and is not worth it. If it was not for the OP I would not have even known what his take was.

Marcellus 02-24-2023 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 16825106)
Did we change to longer cleats(1/2" to 3/4") in the first half or half time ? Because I know the Eagles started changing their cleats in the first half.

Kelce said on his podcast KC had the best cleats for that grass from the start so they didn't change.

MahomesMagic 02-24-2023 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 16825469)
"Let's see him win a playoff game on the road!"

Wouldn't it be hilarious if by the end of his career Mahomes had a Brady-like resume and never played a single road playoff game other than the Super Bowl?

Anyone who has watched the Chiefs the last few years could tell you Mahomes would have no problem in a road game.

The disadvantage would be our DL would not fire off the ball as well.

Marcellus 02-24-2023 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16825004)
Honestly...he might be propped up by Andy a bit. If love to see him be without Andy to see if he could do it. Im pretty sure Mahomes makes Andy great not the other way around but Andy creates so many easy plays for his QBs that almost any QB can do.

Pat is being propped up by Andy eh?

Andy Reid was a head coach for 18 years before Mahomes was his QB and he had 0 SB wins and 1 appearance in 18 years.

With Mahomes he has had 3 SB appearances and 2 wins in 5 years.

Stop with the stupid bullshit. It may be the perfect scenario but Mahomes isn't being "propped up" by anyone. Period.

Also what Makes Mahomes Mahomes are the plays he makes off script which aren't Andy designed plays so your idea Andy's play calling makes Mahomes look good is nonsense as well. Basically you have everything ass backwards as ususal.

TomBarndtsTwin 02-24-2023 09:09 AM

Yeah, any idiot worried about Mahomes having to play playoff games on the road is just that; an idiot.

His numbers in the regular season are actually quite a bit better on the road than at Arrowhead. He typically plays his best football away from home.

Home: 31-7 record (.816 win %) 291 ypg 65% comp.% 83-24 TD-INT QB Rating 100.5

Away: 33-9 record (.786 win %) 314 ypg 68% comp.% 109-25 TD-INT QB Rating 110.4

That's for his career, not including playoff games. As you can see, an ever so slightly better winning % at home (likely due to better defense and home crowd aspect), but in pretty much every statistical category that means anything (I didn't post all of them, obviously) he is an even better QB away from Arrowhead.

Make no mistake, there will come a time when the Chiefs have a lesser W-L record with Mahomes, due to injuries on the team, bad luck, poor performance by a unit, etc. and they will have a lower seed and have to go on the road to win playoff games.

And then Mahomes will do what Mahomes does on the road and promptly rip the hearts out of another AFC fanbase as they were sure this was the year due to hosting playoff games. Can't wait to see it happen . . . . . . . .

RealSNR 02-24-2023 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16825004)
Honestly...he might be propped up by Andy a bit. If love to see him be without Andy to see if he could do it. Im pretty sure Mahomes makes Andy great not the other way around but Andy creates so many easy plays for his QBs that almost any QB can do.

Sooo... you're saying Andy is making Mahomes better? You mean, like... coaching? You're saying Andy is coaching and doing the stuff that's in his job description and as a result Mahomes is better than if Andy didn't coach?

I imagine if you wanted to conduct your little experiment and made Andy Reid go away, the Chiefs would probably hire a different coach, and that coach would probably coach Mahomes.

Are you asking what Mahomes would be like if he didn't have a coach? That way we could gauge if he's being propped up in any way by some dude who is coaching him?

BWillie 02-24-2023 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 16825821)
Sooo... you're saying Andy is making Mahomes better? You mean, like... coaching? You're saying Andy is coaching and doing the stuff that's in his job description and as a result Mahomes is better than if Andy didn't coach?

I imagine if you wanted to conduct your little experiment and made Andy Reid go away, the Chiefs would probably hire a different coach, and that coach would probably coach Mahomes.

Are you asking what Mahomes would be like if he didn't have a coach? That way we could gauge if he's being propped up in any way by some dude who is coaching him?

Andy makes every QB better so its probably true Patrick wouldn't have the same stats on another coach. But he would be just as good or better on 3rd down. Im speaking strictly based on stats. Patrick would be the best QB in the game with any coach, doesnt mean he isnt the best with THIS coach.

BWillie 02-24-2023 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 16825547)
Pat is being propped up by Andy eh?

Andy Reid was a head coach for 18 years before Mahomes was his QB and he had 0 SB wins and 1 appearance in 18 years.

With Mahomes he has had 3 SB appearances and 2 wins in 5 years.

Stop with the stupid bullshit. It may be the perfect scenario but Mahomes isn't being "propped up" by anyone. Period.

Also what Makes Mahomes Mahomes are the plays he makes off script which aren't Andy designed plays so your idea Andy's play calling makes Mahomes look good is nonsense as well. Basically you have everything ass backwards as ususal.

Both can be true. Certainly the narrative of this article is Mahomes wouldn't be good without Andy which is complete bullshit. But Reid has a great system for efficiency so Mahomes is going to rack up more yards and TDs in Andys system compared to most coaches.

I think Mahomes still has 2 SBs with almost any coach, but some bad ones he might not have any. Reid may have 0 or 1 with another top NFL QB. So Mahomes is more important than Reid but together they are almost unstoppable .

MahomesMagic 02-24-2023 01:45 PM

Mahomes wouldn't have the same volume numbers under Kyle Shanahan but his efficiency would be insane.

So less MVPs but probably several Super Bowl appearances.

RealSNR 02-24-2023 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 16825996)
Mahomes wouldn't have the same volume numbers under Kyle Shanahan but his efficiency would be insane.

So less MVPs but probably several Super Bowl appearances.

He'd go home from the team facility every day smelling like rat poop, though.

Stinger 02-24-2023 05:18 PM

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RaidersOftheCellar 02-24-2023 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bump (Post 16825084)
Andy is a great coach, obviously. But without Mahomes, there is only a little success. Yes we went to the playoffs with Alex Smith, even won a game, but that's all you coulda hoped for until Mahomes came.

Mahomes is the best QB the league has ever seen. The haters are just hatin for the sake of hatin.

The question we probably have to ask is what would Elway or Marino have done on these teams in this era? That’s a hard question to answer.

I think Mahomes is probably as talented as any QB to ever play (and may not have entered his prime yet), but it’s hard to compare eras and circumstances.

srvy 02-27-2023 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stinger (Post 16826460)
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Someone No one on CP need to give clicks. Why you care what this loser has to say is beyond me.

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Bowser 02-27-2023 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 16824675)
lol and he goes on about Alex Smith.... gmafb

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 16824810)
This douchebag has been going after Chief fans for the past couple of weeks.

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Would NOT have expected TigeRRUppeRRcut to look nor sound like that. That fact that he's a coach explains a ton, as well.

DJ's left nut 02-27-2023 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 16825996)
Mahomes wouldn't have the same volume numbers under Kyle Shanahan but his efficiency would be insane.

So less MVPs but probably several Super Bowl appearances.

He'd play 8 games/season.

Shanahan A) Sends his QBs on designed runs like a moron and B) Has TERRIBLE pass pro concepts that get his QBs murdered.

Shanahan can't hold Reid's jock and it's absurd to even discuss it.

Shanahan isn't unlucky. He creates these issues for himself by exposing his QBs to shots they shouldn't be taking and soon or later they break. He doesn't take care of his toys.

trndobrd 02-27-2023 07:03 PM

If a moron with an inter web has a stupid take in a forest does anyone care?

warpaint* 02-28-2023 12:02 AM

Keep printing this drivel
We got six months to work the team up into a foaming lather

ThyKingdomCome15 02-28-2023 02:20 AM

Lotta jelly

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ShortRoundChief 02-28-2023 06:01 AM

Sometimes you should not internet before coffee.

This one of the times.

MahomesMagic 02-28-2023 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16829716)
He'd play 8 games/season.

Shanahan A) Sends his QBs on designed runs like a moron and B) Has TERRIBLE pass pro concepts that get his QBs murdered.

Shanahan can't hold Reid's jock and it's absurd to even discuss it.

Shanahan isn't unlucky. He creates these issues for himself by exposing his QBs to shots they shouldn't be taking and soon or later they break. He doesn't take care of his toys.

It was never going to happen because Kyle's biggest weakness is underestimating the need for a top QB.

He passed on Mahomes in 2017 because he was waiting for Kirk Cousins to join him.

kysirsoze 02-28-2023 07:43 AM

Really hoping this stupid shit stays on the front page all off-season.

tredadda 02-28-2023 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze (Post 16830183)
Really hoping this stupid shit stays on the front page all off-season.

Just keep bumping it and that will happen.

lcarus 02-28-2023 07:50 AM

The real truth is Mahomes is a freak of a QB that props up Andy Reid's offense. Not the other way around. We saw nearly 2 decades of Reid's offense before Mahomes. It was good but never good enough. Now he has 2 rings and could've easily had 2 or 3 more. The difference is Mahomes.

kysirsoze 02-28-2023 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 16830185)
Just keep bumping it and that will happen.

Yeah I bumped it from the top of the page to the top. I'm not the one digging it off of the second page.

FlaChief58 02-28-2023 08:12 AM

Bump

Lzen 02-28-2023 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 16825547)
Pat is being propped up by Andy eh?

Andy Reid was a head coach for 18 years before Mahomes was his QB and he had 0 SB wins and 1 appearance in 18 years.

With Mahomes he has had 3 SB appearances and 2 wins in 5 years.

Stop with the stupid bullshit. It may be the perfect scenario but Mahomes isn't being "propped up" by anyone. Period.

Also what Makes Mahomes Mahomes are the plays he makes off script which aren't Andy designed plays so your idea Andy's play calling makes Mahomes look good is nonsense as well. Basically you have everything ass backwards as ususal.

Exactly! Someone should ask BWillie why Alex Smith couldn't do it.

the steam 02-28-2023 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 16830188)
The real truth is Mahomes is a freak of a QB that props up Andy Reid's offense. Not the other way around. We saw nearly 2 decades of Reid's offense before Mahomes. It was good but never good enough. Now he has 2 rings and could've easily had 2 or 3 more. The difference is Mahomes.

To be fair in the last few years the NFL has done everything possible to help the offense and inflate QBs numbers

BigRedChief 03-01-2023 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the steam (Post 16830279)
To be fair in the last few years the NFL has done everything possible to help the offense and inflate QBs numbers

True but it wasn't because of Mahomes. the NFL and the public want more offense. It's a business. You have to adapt to your customers or you are out of business.

Thats what baseball finally discovered. So far games are 2 1/2 hours instead of 3 hours and 15 minutes by just not allowing individual players to **** around on the mound and outside the batters box.

crayzkirk 03-01-2023 07:50 AM

It makes as much sense as everyone here saying Tom Brady is a system quarterback propped up by Belichick. They compliment each other and help with the success.

Except, obviously, one is true and the other is false.

Best22 03-01-2023 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the steam (Post 16830279)
To be fair in the last few years the NFL has done everything possible to help the offense and inflate QBs numbers

#1 offense is #1 offense

Since 2018, the Chiefs have been first in total offense 3 times (2018, 2020, 2022)

We lead all other teams in passing yards over that span, playoff wins, and playoff points. Reid never had an offensive run of success like this until now

the steam 03-01-2023 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16831832)

Thats what baseball finally discovered. So far games are 2 1/2 hours instead of 3 hours and 15 minutes by just not allowing individual players to **** around on the mound and outside the batters box.

I got a feeling I'm really going to like 2.5 hour baseball games, now if only the NFL could do something to get games under 3 hours. In a game where there is about 12-13 minutes of actual playing time it can't be that difficult.

Danguardace 03-01-2023 09:31 AM

Andy Reid

5 years with Alex Smith 1 Post-season Win

5 years with Mahomes 2 Superbowls

Who is propping up who?

scho63 03-01-2023 10:47 AM

Off season stupid and WRONG stories to generate clicks and attention to idiots with bad sports takes.

Nothing new.

htismaqe 03-01-2023 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 16832169)
Off season stupid and WRONG stories to generate clicks and attention to idiots with bad sports takes.

Nothing new.

Yep.

It's only slightly worse than the social media posts about the Chiefs being in on Patrick Peterson and Michael Thomas.

tredadda 03-01-2023 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Best22 (Post 16831853)
#1 offense is #1 offense

Since 2018, the Chiefs have been first in total offense 3 times (2018, 2020, 2022)

We lead all other teams in passing yards over that span, playoff wins, and playoff points. Reid never had an offensive run of success like this until now

So KC is due for a drop off this year?


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