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Dunerdr 03-18-2023 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16862780)
I don’t trust Niang to stay healthy. Could really see them drafting a RT in rd 1 if one is there.

I’m very confident they’re drafting a Tackle in the first 4 rds. I’d damn near call it a lock

I don’t see a right tackle in round 1 unless there’s left tackle upside.

Megatron96 03-18-2023 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 16862649)
Veach tried to trade for AJ Brown last offseason and got outbid by Philly.

He’s absolutely looking to add a stud WR.

He's been looking for a few years now, when you think about it. he showed interest in OBj last year. And didn't they bring Dez Bryant in a few years ago for a workout?

Just saying, Veach has been on the hunt for a big-time WR for a while now.

IowaHawkeyeChief 03-18-2023 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16862750)
They’re more likely to take a RT prospect in the middle rounds. They didn’t shell out $80M to trade up in the draft.

I think Veach is nimble, if a top OT falls to the low 20's and we can possibly lock that down for 5 years with a rookie contract, Veach won't blink twice about keeping Taylor at RT, and be paying $25-$30 mil over the next 4 years for your bookend tackles is an easy decision.

IowaHawkeyeChief 03-18-2023 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16862765)
Yep. I think the chances of Taylor playing RT are remote at best.

Yes, if Veach moves up for an OT in round 1 it will be someone who is most likely a plug and play LT. The odds of one falling are slim, but Veach would pounce if they do. The flexibility of having locked down top tackles for $25-$30 mil for 4 years may break the league more than they already are...

htismaqe 03-18-2023 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 16862809)
I think Veach is nimble, if a top OT falls to the low 20's and we can possibly lock that down for 5 years with a rookie contract, Veach won't blink twice about keeping Taylor at RT, and be paying $25-$30 mil over the next 4 years for your bookend tackles is an easy decision.

I don’t think they’re going to start a rookie at left tackle. They took a really good LT 1st overall and even he played RT his first season. Jawaan Taylor is the LT.

BWillie 03-18-2023 11:12 AM

Trade Mahomes for Daniel Jones....because based on what NYG paid him he must be better.

Rainbarrel 03-18-2023 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 16862694)
Well we do know they were one of the final 2 teams, so they made a significant offer and the winning offer was pick 18 AND 101.

KC had to offer something in that ball parks value for him. Maybe 2 firsts.

Considering what the Chiefs have done over the past 5 seasons. Any offer they make is a hell of a bargaining chip for the player's agent.

No team is close to offering the Chiefs' atmosphere. So it will take more money to get a deal done.

Chiefs involved has little weight

IowaHawkeyeChief 03-18-2023 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16862832)
I don’t think they’re going to start a rookie at left tackle. They took a really good LT 1st overall and even he played RT his first season. Jawaan Taylor is the LT.

I don't disagree, we have options. But moving up for a top OT that falls into the early 20's would be an easy decision if you had a willing trade partner.

htismaqe 03-18-2023 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 16862854)
I don't disagree, we have options. But moving up for a top OT that falls into the early 20's would be an easy decision if you had a willing trade partner.

Trading up or even staying put for a DE would be an even easier decision. I don’t think they’re going to invest heavily at RT.

Megatron96 03-18-2023 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16862856)
Trading up or even staying put for a DE would be an even easier decision. I don’t think they’re going to invest heavily at RT.

Yeah, I was thinking about this for a minute last night, and it feels far-fetched that Veach would do this. At least this year, with no EDGE1 on the roster. I mean, maybe that's Omenihu?

Dunerdr 03-18-2023 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16862864)
Yeah, I was thinking about this for a minute last night, and it feels far-fetched that Veach would do this. At least this year, with no EDGE1 on the roster. I mean, maybe that's Omenihu?

Did we have an EDGE1 on the roster that I missed last year? I think Spags is getting versatile line guys knowing we won’t be able to afford or draft a true Edge 1. We play mismatches and hope our coverage continues to improve buying some of our slow burners a chance.

JPH83 03-18-2023 11:45 AM

Right now RT is the biggest need and has the fewest options to fill in FA in my opinion. Maybe someone like Cameron Fleming. The talent in the draft is at DE imo so I'd love to add another 1st round Edge. But I think we'll go RT. Only way I see it not happening is if the Bengals take Wright and Veach thinks there's a big drop to the next guy, which there is. Then I reckon it's DE R1, trade up for a Bergeron type R2. Wouldn't hate it but it'd be a shame to lose the 3rd.

oldman 03-18-2023 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16862585)
Ok don't side step the question.... AS A FAN... WOULD YOU IN A PERFECT WORLD LIKE TO SEE MAHOMES WITH A WR OF THAT CALIBER.....

AS A FAN of the Kansas City Chiefs since 1963, IN A PERFECT WORLD the Kansas City Chiefs would be Super bowl Champions EVERY YEAR!!! I don't care if PMII takes a breather and only throws for 3500 yards if we go 20-0. I don't care if we are the #5 offense as long as we score more points than our opponents. Winning in the NFL, not a fantasy football league, is everything.

JPH83 03-18-2023 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 16862878)
Did we have an EDGE1 on the roster that I missed last year? I think Spags is getting versatile line guys knowing we won’t be able to afford or draft a true Edge 1. We play mismatches and hope our coverage continues to improve buying some of our slow burners a chance.

They're vetting a lot of DEs but I do wonder if it's R2-3 now. Tranquil is our coverage LB that allows Chenal to rush more imo, and he can also add to our blitz packages. That's a great way to add flexibility.

Megatron96 03-18-2023 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 16862878)
Did we have an EDGE1 on the roster that I missed last year? I think Spags is getting versatile line guys knowing we won’t be able to afford or draft a true Edge 1. We play mismatches and hope our coverage continues to improve buying some of our slow burners a chance.

In terms of usage, it was Frank. He was the veteran presence, do-it-all guy. I'm not talking about results, just which EDGE Spags leaned on most of the time.

Dunerdr 03-18-2023 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16862917)
In terms of usage, it was Frank. He was the veteran presence, do-it-all guy. I'm not talking about results, just which EDGE Spags leaned on most of the time.

Understand. We need a leader and a few more guys for this committee imo.

Megatron96 03-18-2023 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 16862976)
Understand. We need a leader and a few more guys for this committee imo.

Question is, does that mean Frank is coming back somehow, or does Spags install someone else as that guy? I don't think would be Karlaftis, but could it be Omenihu? He doesn't have a lot of stats to look at, but we know he's capable of lining up inside/outside, defends the run . . . I mean, maybe? I haven't seen enough of him to have a strong feeling either way.

Hammock Parties 03-18-2023 12:44 PM

Omenihu's pressure rate demands starter status IMO, especially when he's big enough to be great against the run.

Kick him inside on passing downs and bring in Danna or a speed rusher to be named later.

DenverChief 03-18-2023 12:45 PM

Guys - it's clearly going to be WR OBJ

chiefforlife 03-18-2023 01:21 PM

Back to the Coiling to strike idea...

Trade strike; Could be Zadarius Smith. Veach was after him before, he wants out of Minny, Minny is cap strapped. This would NOT be a high draft pick, 4th or less. Savvy Vet still producing at a high level. Opens up our draft.

DeAndre Hopkins, yeah hes not the 25 year old guy but he is a TOP WR with a few good years left at a reasonable salary for a guy of his caliber. Veach HAS been looking for WRs it just hasnt worked out YET. They chased JuJu for two years knowing they would only have him for one. They have looked at OBJ, AJ Brown... Veach is NOT stupid, we all know that, he isnt going to screw the team over, BUT if he can find the right deal he WILL do it.

Some guy NO ONE is expecting, this would be Veach at his BEST. He seems to know what every teams situation is and could be trading for someone that isnt on anyones radar, this is the "Oh Shit" trade.

Megatron96 03-18-2023 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefforlife (Post 16863023)
Back to the Coiling to strike idea...

Trade strike; Could be Zadarius Smith. Veach was after him before, he wants out of Minny, Minny is cap strapped. This would NOT be a high draft pick, 4th or less. Savvy Vet still producing at a high level. Opens up our draft.

DeAndre Hopkins, yeah hes not the 25 year old guy but he is a TOP WR with a few good years left at a reasonable salary for a guy of his caliber. Veach HAS been looking for WRs it just hasnt worked out YET. They chased JuJu for two years knowing they would only have him for one. They have looked at OBJ, AJ Brown... Veach is NOT stupid, we all know that, he isnt going to screw the team over, BUT if he can find the right deal he WILL do it.

Some guy NO ONE is expecting, this would be Veach at his BEST. He seems to know what every teams situation is and could be trading for someone that isnt on anyones radar, this is the "Oh Shit" trade.

Dez Bryant came in for a workout. They did try to re-sign Tyreek. They even extended Sammy.

When you look at the history, it's pretty clear that they've always been looking for a veteran top-tier WR, they just haven't found the one they really want. Yet. It's just a matter of time.

RealSNR 03-18-2023 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16862585)
Ok don't side step the question.... AS A FAN... WOULD YOU IN A PERFECT WORLD LIKE TO SEE MAHOMES WITH A WR OF THAT CALIBER.....

Yes. You know what I'd like to see more than that, though? Drafting our own guy that Mahomes will turn into a stud himself.

No, it probably won't be a WR with the range and athletic talent of Jefferson, but how about any of the random WRs outside of the 1st round who blossomed into elite players in their own right in this era of the modern NFL? In a totally random order, just to name a few... Tyreek, Cooper Kupp, Michael Thomas, Terry McLaurin, DK Metcalf, Jordy Nelson, Amen-Ra St. Brown, Anquan Boldin, Josh Gordon (that one season in Cleveland, man...), Steve Smith Sr, Victor Cruz, and a whole bunch of other guys I'm forgetting about.

And even then, JJ himself was a late 1st round pick. I know those guys don't exactly grow on trees, but if there is some elite guy like that who slips through the cracks, we've got just as good of a shot as everybody else to identify and scout him should he happen to slip into the back half of the first round.

I get it. You just like the idea of Jefferson playing with Mahomes. That can still be a reality-- it will just have to be somebody like Jefferson instead of Jefferson himself, and we just gotta put in the legwork.

oldman 03-18-2023 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefforlife (Post 16863023)
DeAndre Hopkins, yeah hes not the 25 year old guy but he is a TOP WR with a few good years left at a reasonable salary for a guy of his caliber.

Good grief, can we get off this narrative??? He's a malcontent with a huge salary that some desperate team will overpay for, just not us. He'd probably want a new contract for even more cash. Veach can find a better fit than him if we want to build for not only 2023, but 2024-6 and beyond. As long as PMII is QB1 we'll be OK.

Hog's Gone Fishin 03-18-2023 01:40 PM

They were speculating on SIRIUS today that we were going after Tunsil and letting Lawaan play RT. Lawaan said he would gladly play RT. Protecting our 500 million dollar man was priority

Megatron96 03-18-2023 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 16863048)
They were speculating on SIRIUS today that we were going after Tunsil and letting Lawaan play RT. Lawaan said he would gladly play RT. Protecting our 500 million dollar man was priority

Doesn't feel right to me. We probably aren't throwing nearly $40M/yr at our OTs. Seems like overpaying for potential production. And it's just not necessary. Pat's not middle-aged Brady/Manning/Ryan. He can help himself get out of trouble. And we just don't run enough to make the investment in top-tier/elite OTs worth the cap space. Reliable and explosive weapons are more important at this stage of his career.

Megatron96 03-18-2023 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by oldman (Post 16863044)
Good grief, can we get off this narrative??? He's a malcontent with a huge salary that some desperate team will overpay for, just not us. He'd probably want a new contract for even more cash. Veach can find a better fit than him if we want to build for not only 2023, but 2024-6 and beyond. As long as PMII is QB1 we'll be OK.

Curious, where this narrative comes from?

And his salary isn't even that "huge."

chiefforlife 03-18-2023 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by oldman (Post 16863044)
Good grief, can we get off this narrative??? He's a malcontent with a huge salary that some desperate team will overpay for, just not us. He'd probably want a new contract for even more cash. Veach can find a better fit than him if we want to build for not only 2023, but 2024-6 and beyond. As long as PMII is QB1 we'll be OK.

Malcontent, WRONG. He said himself he did NOT think he would be traded from Houston. He did not ask to be traded and was fine playing there despite their record. He was fine playing in Arizona with an even worse record but now that they are rebuilding he doesnt want to waste the last few years of his career. It makes sense for him and Arizona to part ways.

Huge Salary, WRONG. He has two years left on his contract at 19 and 14 so 33. So 2 year average of 16.5, very reasonable for a top WR. He has said he's willing to work on that even for the right team. He wants to win!

Veach is building for EVERY year. He was after JuJu for two years, got him and a Lombardi then let him go. Now he will find another, probably several.

No one knows if we will get Hopkins but to just dismiss the possibility is not smart. Veach is SMART.

Rainbarrel 03-18-2023 01:55 PM

No salary equal to or over this:

Kelce's contract is a four-year, $57.25 million deal that includes $22.75 million in guarantees. His average annual salary is $14.313 million, and the contract contained no signing bonus

chiefforlife 03-18-2023 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 16863048)
They were speculating on SIRIUS today that we were going after Tunsil and letting Lawaan play RT. Lawaan said he would gladly play RT. Protecting our 500 million dollar man was priority

Assuming you mean Jawaan and amazing as that line would be, I agree that it just ties up to much Cap. Cant see Veach doing that but if he did, Id be pretty psyched!

BWillie 03-18-2023 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainbarrel (Post 16863065)
No salary equal to or over this:

Kelce's contract is a four-year, $57.25 million deal that includes $22.75 million in guarantees. His average annual salary is $14.313 million, and the contract contained no signing bonus

That's such a good deal. Yet somehow fat olineman make more than him

Direckshun 03-18-2023 05:13 PM

There are so many things this team could do it wouldn’t surprise me.

They could trade for Hopkins. They could secure OBJ. Elijah Moore could be snagged for pennies on the dollar if he wants out from the Jets after they sign Cobb.

They could do that AND aggressively move up. For Quentin Johnson. Maybe they have word that Jalen Carter will fall to 12 or something crazy. Myles Murphy may fall to 18. Nolan Smith, Darnell Wright, even Bijan Robinson or Brian Branch.

They paid retail for a LT. Everything else they are getting for value.

They can still make a splash with a Jones extension and then get hyperaggressive in the draft. They could trade Willie Gay and Clyde Edwards-Helaire. They could trade Noah Gray. They could notch an additional second day pick and groom Luke Musgrave into the Kelce heir.

It can still get totally nuts.

Wisconsin_Chief 03-18-2023 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16863501)
There are so many things this team could do it wouldn’t surprise me.

They could trade for Hopkins. They could secure OBJ. Elijah Moore could be snagged for pennies on the dollar if he wants out from the Jets after they sign Cobb.

They could do that AND aggressively move up. For Quentin Johnson. Maybe they have word that Jalen Carter will fall to 12 or something crazy. Myles Murphy may fall to 18. Nolan Smith, Darnell Wright, even Bijan Robinson or Brian Branch.

They paid retail for a LT. Everything else they are getting for value.

They can still make a splash with a Jones extension and then get hyperaggressive in the draft. They could trade Willie Gay and Clyde Edwards-Helaire. They could trade Noah Gray. They could notch an additional second day pick and groom Luke Musgrave into the Kelce heir.

It can still get totally nuts.

Veach just has so many options. Post draft, there will be a pool of veterans begging to come to KC to basically save their careers like what used to happen for the Patriots. We won’t have holes. Whatever we don’t get in the draft will be filled with the Carlos Dunlap and Jerick McKinnon types. Reid & the staff will get the best out of all of them and we’ll win 14 games.

Ho hum. Yeah, I said it. This team ho hums itself to 14 wins. It’s not even hard anymore. This offseason isn’t moving the needle at all, if anything the Chiefs D has gotten drastically better and the offense will be fine because Superman wears #15, and we also have Lex Luthor as our HC. How does anyone really stand a chance?

Direckshun 03-18-2023 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 16863537)
Veach just has so many options. Post draft, there will be a pool of veterans begging to come to KC to basically save their careers like what used to happen for the Patriots. We won’t have holes. Whatever we don’t get in the draft will be filled with the Carlos Dunlap and Jerick McKinnon types. Reid & the staff will get the best out of all of them and we’ll win 14 games.

Ho hum. Yeah, I said it. This team ho hums itself to 14 wins. It’s not even hard anymore. This offseason isn’t moving the needle at all, if anything the Chiefs D has gotten drastically better and the offense will be fine because Superman wears #15, and we also have Lex Luthor as our HC. How does anyone really stand a chance?

I do think everybody may be sleeping on the fact that Mahomes is probably entering his prime this year. I know he’s regarded as the best, but I think we’re about to see exactly how much better he is than everybody else.

Veach is going to notch more weapons for him, now, during the draft, and like you said, we’ll after the draft. He’s going to add tackle depth. And he’s going to have the resources left over to add a promising pass rusher (or two) and stock the cabinet at DT.

Riddick and Mahomes both told us one way or another that a party was coming. I truly believe it is.

What if the Chiefs make zero major additions at this point and have even an average draft? They’re probably 12-5 with a Top 2 seed in the AFC. But with what Veach can do, I agree with a 14 win prediction.

And this is just all general talent level. But it’s not going to matter, because when January rolls around, I simply don’t think you can ever pick against Mahomes again so long as he’s reasonably healthy.

If Veach follows through, there is a legit chance at a threepeat. They just won the Super Bowl in a retooling year with a one legged Mahomes!

DenverChief 03-18-2023 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16863052)
Doesn't feel right to me. We probably aren't throwing nearly $40M/yr at our OTs. Seems like overpaying for potential production. And it's just not necessary. Pat's not middle-aged Brady/Manning/Ryan. He can help himself get out of trouble. And we just don't run enough to make the investment in top-tier/elite OTs worth the cap space. Reliable and explosive weapons are more important at this stage of his career.

I’d love to see more Pacheco outside pitches and sweeps.


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