Won’t be shocked to see him go #1.

Think they moved up too far to make this move.

Personally I take Richardson. Reich is a great QB coach and he is one of the few coaches outside Andy who could develop him. Plus Stroud/Young are not sure fire picks. Richardson just has too much potential to pass on. If I am them I would rather roll the dice with him than possibly being on the Trubisky end of this draft.

I don't think so, they had no chance at 9 and honestly there are teams that are going to have Richardson as the #1 QB.

I mentioned it before but think about this, does anyone think Bryce Young isn't going to be injury prone? That he'll be a consistent starter because I don't..If you compare reports and look at it in depth..CJ Stroud is strikingly similar to Jared Goff as a prospect, people forget Goff went #1.

If those are your options why not go Richardson?

Agreed. I just don’t think Stroud and Young are worth giving up what they did for. I could be wrong and they could both end up in the HOF. You make a trade like they did for the QB with the highest ceiling ala KC with Mahomes.

I think Stroud IS a homerun

It's very likely he's Jared Goff....

I get that comparison, but I think he's a rich man's Jared Goff if anything, with the ability to use his legs a lot more. That could be a top 7-10 QB.

Stroud could be healthy Tua.

Lol.

Sounds about right.

Stroud is insanely accurate and 6'3

Despite a certain someone saying how accurate Tua is I think Stroud is more like Drew Brees without a height issue.

Right.

In any other year, these guys would be farther down the list but they're being pushed up by the seeming lack of blue-chip quality at the top.

I think Stroud has the safest floor, for sure.

But man, I don't see much ceiling there.

Then again, if you have a top 10-12 QB, especially on a rookie deal, you're in really good shape.

But if you take Stroud over Richardson or even Levis, you're kinda doing something similar to what the Bears did when they took Trubisky over Mahomes. And no, it's not because I think they are similar prospects, but it's because both Levis and Richardson are the 'ceiling' picks in this draft, IMO.

Stroud and Young are guys you take more for their floor and lower volatility. Because of Richardson has so damn much volatility, I won't even say that's a bad decision. But it's the same sort of thought process that completely led to the Bears committing the modern equivalent of Bowie over Jordan.

(Side note: Jordan, Olajuwon, Stockton and Barkley all came out of that '84 draft - sweet jesus)

I like Stroud but it sounds like you're putting him in the HOF already.


LMAO

Richardson and Levis, Levis especially played with a lot of guys who aren't that good...

Meanwhile we got CJ Stroud throwing to like 4 first round picks, an entire OL of NFL players...

I kinda feel like Levis is the best combination of ceiling and floor. Somewhere between Stroud's marginal arm talent and Richardson's disinterest in actually operating an offense is Levis.

This draft is gonna get a couple dudes fired, IMO. Hard to say who it will be. But if you pass on Richardson and he harnesses the tools while Young becomes, I dunno, Jimmy G - that's gonna cost you your job.

The only person that I think ends up truly safe is the GM who takes the last of these guys at 5th overall or later. Because if 3 of them and Anderson are off the board, no matter what happens, I think you have plenty of cover.

Couldn't agree more which is why I could see Richardson go high and possibly be the #1 pick.

CJ Stroud gonna show up to camp and be like...wow my college offense had more talent.

I know you won't, but if you were to watch this whole thing you would see where I'm coming from.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JCbPuQu1ps

:banghead:

Yea his pro day is great, Richardsons looks like an alien.

My questions with Stroud are simple, is he maxed out, is he basically a guy who ends up like the 10th best QB in the league and how does he react when he plays with less talent because being honest here...

After his career has been throwing to JSN, Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave and Marvin Harrison Jr, his NFL team is gonna have worse weapons.

If we didn't have Mahomes and we had the top pick I'd be going insane banging on the table for Stroud.

Accuracy is the most important aspect in a QB if you want to win a Super Bowl. Processing speed is probably second. Arm strength and running ability is like, five or six ranks lower.

Arm strength has been called overrated for so long that it's become wildly underrated.

A weak arm means you have to nut up to drive a ball into a window as it closes and when you nut up, you're less accurate. As those windows get tighter and the maelstrom more intense at the next level, you need arm strength to fit balls in there. And when you're a QB with marginal arm strength, many of those balls get deflected.

And that's to say nothing of the time involved. I've done this math 'round here before but the difference between an elite arm (Mahomes) and an average arm (Watson) when throwing something as routine as a 15 yard out becomes something along the lines of .15 seconds. Now if you're a WR that runs a 4.45 you're a pretty fast WR. If you run a 4.6 you might just be a UDFA.

So what good does all that speed do you if your QB gives it all back by throwing a slow-ball on an out route? That .15 seconds is an eternity for NFL DBs. That's not just enough to get a hand on it - it could be enough to house the damn thing.

Mentioning arm strength in the same breath as running ability is folly. Additionally, mentioning accuracy in game action as though it's completely independent of arm strength is likewise mistaken.

Citing Brees is like citing Maddux - citing the exceptions that prove the rule don't get you anywhere. To be a great QB you need at least a good NFL arm. Not average and damn sure not below average. Because when it counts and you NEED that ball that Mahomes threw over the middle to MVS against Cincy with a collapsing pocket and no base, no amount of accuracy or processing speed in the world will get it there. Those will give you the wherewithal to make the throw but only arm strength will give you the ability.

BUT HE DOESN'T HAVE A WEAK ARM


he threw 59mph. Mahomes was 62, you're acting like he has a Watson 48




edit: but I will admit that Richardson's 69mph is astounding.

Well I'm not the one that invoked Brees here.

If he can put some hair on the ball then why we talking Brees unless you think Stroud is arguably the most mechanically precise passer to ever live.

Besides, my point was largely general anyway.

Hol' up.. I've been out of the loop..

Richardson threw a ball 69 mph?!?

Lack of accuracy is a deal breaker for sure...

But not being able to read a NFL defense...

Staring down receivers...

Not being able to take hits in the pocket...

There is a long list of deal breakers...

Etc.

You know this of course.

Okay cool but Brees' accuracy was crazy that's all



edit: and I don't buy Stroud having a weakness for being unable to read a defense. I think that has way more to do with Ohio State's system than Stroud.

He also threw balls 50 and 74 yards without all that much effort, the 50 looked like a wrist flick.

I think he's going to Indy. Those receivers are going to have jacked up fingers

A lot of good discussion in here. Without quoting a million posts, here's some random shit I think.

RE: Bryce Young. I think the injury risk is real. Super real. I think the height thing will materially limit his capacity from the pocket. And if he tries to play like Kyler, the injury risk goes through the roof. Kyler has massive injury problems and he's a fair bit thicker than Young.

If Young gets in the right place, he can really win. He's the best thrower in the draft, and probably the "safe pick". But if I'm a fan, I want someone else. (and he may still get someone fired)

RE: Stroud. Stroud is who I want, unless he'd a dolt and can't read a defense, which might be likely. If Reid chooses Stroud, I'd be all the hell in. If Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards chooses Stroud, I'd be all the hell out.

RE: Richardson. Man, if he goes top 3 - I don't even. I view him as Lamar. Which, you can win with, especially if he can develop a little bit more. I'm rooting for the Baltimore pick for pure hilarity.

Wow, so it's true.. Crazy.

Combined with his size, 40 time, vertical and broad jump, is he the best purely physical prospect of all-time?

He has a lot more arm talent and size than Lamar does...

He is...he's #1 on the QB ras chart of all time...he also scores a 10 at multiple other positions

Fair.

But like Lamar, I don't think he can make too many reads/throws and is an insane athlete.

Maybe he can be a little better thrower and not as good of a runner, but I think the outcome will be roughly the same unless he can develop much much more.

And that's not say Lamar hasn't developed. He can make throws now that he couldn't early. He's just having injuries catch up with him and still isn't a good enough thrower to stop running.

https://www.tiktok.com/@sportsbettin...03656422985006

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">60 MPH for Anthony Richardson on the radar gun.</p>&mdash; Marcus Mosher (@Marcus_Mosher) <a href="https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/status/1632142001947680774?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 4, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If I thought I had a good staff, he'd be my guy there is star potential there.

100% possible that the very first hit on google lied to me!!

Not being sarcastic at all you used to be kind of able to trust that but google sold out in the past couple years.



edit:


It isn't my fault I swear



https://i.imgur.com/Juc9xm6.png

Here's the video

https://www.nfl.com/videos/c-j-strou...nging-from-59-

Stroud and DTR look like they're really humping it. ****ing Richardson looks like he's warming up. That release/snap is DAMN impressive. Looked as easy as breathing for him.

But Stroud got it up there. Didn't seem as easy for him but 59 is 59.

Get him in KC and he's TE2 immediately. He could also take some snaps at QB, especially for sneaks etc.

Seahawks have a ton of early picks including 2 first rounders.

He’s gonna be a great at TE. I’m a vandy fan and vandy beat Florida last year (which never happens) with Richardson at qb. He was awful. His decision making, accuracy, touch, awareness, ability to go through progressions were all poor. He’s a freak athlete but unless they run the option, I don’t see him becoming an nfl qb and if he does, I’d give the coach a lot of credit.

That might not be a bad spot for him. Have him sit behind Geno for a year or two before taking over.

No, he had a shit OL this season (all 5 starters were either new to Kentucky, never started before, or playing out of position) along with a terrible hire at OC. He had a good WR room (including a WR who in 2025 will likely be picked no later than the second or third round that had 100+ yards receiving on Georgia as a true freshman) along with a RB who will be a 4th or 5th round pick in a month as well as better TEs.

2021 he had worse talent overall at WR but better play caller, Wandale Robinson being the only WR worth a shit (which is why he broke school records and was thrown to an absurd amount of times), 2 guys who were drafted in the NFL on OL, and Rodriguez.

Florida arguably had less talent than Kentucky did offensively this season given the staff change + Mullen's recruiting at the end was not good. Richardson can't read a defense to save his life, however.

Levis did the same shit last week as Richardson, BTW.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Levis&#39; deep ball session could have been better to say the least left a couple short and his moon shot in the video below hit the ceiling. <a href="https://t.co/2snJaK1TAg">pic.twitter.com/2snJaK1TAg</a></p>&mdash; Destin Adams (@TheDestinAdams) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheDestinAdams/status/1639320937215541249?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 24, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Came here to say that Seattle would be a great spot for him. Let him back up Geno and learn for a year or two.

When he beats him out, your team is in great shape. If he doesn't, no worries.

Colts

Source?

Looks like AR may be the next big thing if he continues to develop.

Can't wait until Mahomes forces a nice hot long cock into his rectum on national TV