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Megatron96 03-31-2023 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16884424)
30 is already too much. How much hope is any team going to have when there are 60 teams you have to beat?
Wait, what? Is there actually a push to have twice as many teams? That seems ridiculously over-optimistic.

FloridaMan88 03-31-2023 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 16884734)
Of course you don't. EPL teams have 38 match days and player each other each home and away that is not even counting domestic competition cups.

They also have an entire relegation\promotion pyramid.

Even if you put that aside it is easier to establish yourself in Europe than the other way around. United States while filled with sports fans has infinitely more sports, teams, and leagues dividing that attention compared to countries in Europe.

Nothing about your comparison makes sense.
The same type of logistical/competitive balance reasons you list for why European soccer should not expand to America also applies to the NFL expanding to Europe.

A logistical nightmare and would impact competitive balance.

HemiEd 03-31-2023 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 16884257)
The NFL is trying it’s hardest to kill the golden goose.
That is how I see it.

chiefzilla1501 03-31-2023 06:09 PM
If roger goodell could make money by squeezing turds with his hands for 24 hours straight he’d do it until his hands bled.

**** this idea. **** the owners. Any idea that is about turning more money at a significant cost to the integrity of the game is a shit idea. And any nfl owners who loves the game instead of loves the money of the game would know instantly how dumb the idea of European expansion is

FloridaMan88 03-31-2023 06:11 PM
Can’t wait for a London at Seattle game to get flexed to Thursday Night Football.

chiefzilla1501 03-31-2023 06:13 PM
As I’ve said before… If you want to grow the game internationally then borrow a page from other leagues books.

The world baseball classic gets this international bullshit out of the way before the season starts. And it’s hella fun to watch.

Soccer uses international friendlies. Why not just send some of our B teams to play against germanys best? Put the pro bowl in Europe and include friendlies between B teams and an all Europe team. A million and a half ways that don’t involve the ridiculous idea of stripping away home games and forcing a bunch of jet lagged athletes to play halfway across the world

Stewie 03-31-2023 06:18 PM
London Jack Rippers
Barcelona Inquisitioners
Berlin Blitzkrieg
Italy Hanger Upsidedowners

philfree 03-31-2023 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Chief Pagan (Post 16884348)
You realize it’s a zero sum game?
How so?

In58men 03-31-2023 06:22 PM
Germany Gas Chambers

Titty Meat 03-31-2023 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by unBelizable (Post 16884088)
Translation: each of the owners want an extra $600M.
Belize gonna get a team?

|Zach| 03-31-2023 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16884756)
As I’ve said before… If you want to grow the game internationally then borrow a page from other leagues books.

The world baseball classic gets this international bullshit out of the way before the season starts. And it’s hella fun to watch.

Soccer uses international friendlies. Why not just send some of our B teams to play against germanys best? Put the pro bowl in Europe and include friendlies between B teams and an all Europe team. A million and a half ways that don’t involve the ridiculous idea of stripping away home games and forcing a bunch of jet lagged athletes to play halfway across the world
Who is it exactly they would be playing?

Womble 03-31-2023 06:31 PM
F'ing limeys.

|Zach| 03-31-2023 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 16884749)
The same type of logistical/competitive balance reasons you list for why European soccer should not expand to America also applies to the NFL expanding to Europe.

A logistical nightmare and would impact competitive balance.
No. They don't.

I am sorry man...do you realize words mean specific things?

We are not tied to promotion relegation structure the nature of sport the competitive balance issue is *completely* different.

The fact that the season is well over 2x longer makes it completely different for soccer to come to the United States.

Look man everybody makes stupid posts and shows that they don't know what they are talking about. There is no reason to double down and pretend "OH YA WHAT I SAID IS THE SAME THING" LMAO

Bl00dyBizkitz 03-31-2023 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 16884138)
**** that imagine a 36 team draft. It spreads the talent out even further and adds 4 more Goff/Cousins turds to an already sliding product. Also Bill O'Brien, come on down.

A developmental league thats seasonal would make more sense. Let the undrafted, practice squad and tryout guys go play a summer league to try to get some film out.
This seems quite logical. So its definitely not going to happen.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-31-2023 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 16884624)
Seriously, circling back - why hasn't the NFL set up a true minor/developmental league? I know they scrapped NFL Europe, but that always seemed half-assed, and the world was different then.

Imagine if there were 32 international minor teams, populated with "not major leaguers" in 8 divisions:

UK/Irish Division [London, Dublin, Birmingham, Glasgow]
German Division [Berlin, Hamburg, Munich, Frankfurt]
Rest of Europe Division [Madrid, Rome, Paris, Barcelona]
Oceania Division [Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Auckland]

Asian Division [Tokyo, Seoul, Bangkok, Manila]
Latin American Division [Mexico City, Sao Paulo, Rio De Janiero, Buenos Aires]
African Division [Cairo, Cape Town, Johannesburg, Nairobi]
US Division [Salt Lake City, Portland, Central TX (ATX/SA), Omaha]

- Each program would be assigned to an NFL team, and could even rotate cities every 2 years to get each team more global exposure.

- Expand the NFL Draft to 14 rounds, where the last day of the draft is 7 rounds, lightning fast

- Each team participates in training camp, and after final cutdowns, teams could pick keepers and then have a minor league re-draft.

- Division games played for the first 8 weeks, then travel to the other division cities the other weeks, rotate home and away.


Pros
- Exposes the rest of the world to American Football, increasing eyeballs and merch sales.
- Allows mid-level players the ability to continue playing if they don't make the big leagues.
- Helps develop young talent, and widens the future talent pool once youth leagues pop up globally. This would also help the NCAA with international talent.

Cons
- Cost of doing business
Good lord ROFL

FloridaMan88 03-31-2023 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 16884769)
No. They don't.

I am sorry man...do you realize words mean specific things?

We are not tied to promotion relegation structure the nature of sport the competitive balance issue is *completely* different.

The fact that the season is well over 2x longer makes it completely different for soccer to come to the United States.

Look man everybody makes stupid posts and shows that they don't know what they are talking about. There is no reason to double down and pretend "OH YA WHAT I SAID IS THE SAME THING" LMAO
You are such a myopic soccer homer that you are seriously denying there would be similar logistical challenges, creating competitive imbalances with the NFL expanding into Europe? ROFL

Look man, we get it… you are a soccer dumbshit… tap out acknowledged.

chiefzilla1501 03-31-2023 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 16884765)
Who is it exactly they would be playing?
Before or after the season there are plenty of nfl players who don’t get to play much and would love an opportunity to shine on the big stage. Why not put some of them up against some of europes best. It’s one idea for an exhibition that doesn’t put A team players at risk.

Or hell, why not out a preseason or training camp game or pro bowl overseas?

Main point is stop messing with schedules. if the goal is to grow international popularity there are a million other creative ways to do it

chiefzilla1501 03-31-2023 06:45 PM
I mean, wouldn’t we love to see what buechele and Cornell Powell could do in an exhibition? I’d for sure watch that shit.

Learn from the mistakes of nfl Europe and find ways to get development games all while growing international interest

|Zach| 03-31-2023 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16884779)
Before or after the season there are plenty of nfl players who don’t get to play much and would love an opportunity to shine on the big stage. Why not put some of them up against some of europes best. It’s one idea for an exhibition that doesn’t put A team players at risk.

Or hell, why not out a preseason or training camp game or pro bowl overseas?

Main point is stop messing with schedules. if the goal is to grow international popularity there are a million other creative ways to do it
I don't understand what you mean by Europe's best. What football teams are you referring to?

|Zach| 03-31-2023 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 16884777)
You are such a myopic soccer homer that you are seriously denying there would be similar logistical challenges, creating competitive imbalances with the NFL expanding into Europe? ROFL

Look man, we get it… you are a soccer dumbshit… tap out acknowledged.
You don't have to be a soccer expert to see the challenges are absolutely different.

Your dislike of me or soccer is no reason for you to try and talk about shit you don't understand.

Eureka 03-31-2023 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Womble (Post 16884768)
F'ing limeys.
In 2033 Limey's plan a big event to have London's NFL team fans travel to KC as their yearly travel game. It'll be great and most will also make dental appoints in the states(O.city will be booked). I can see about 10,000 soccer football hooligans showing up to a gay stadium expecting their team to win or else:mad:. Chiefs fans dare not mouth off or else you'll get shanked by the stabbing experts.

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016...isable=upscale

chiefzilla1501 03-31-2023 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 16884787)
I don't understand what you mean by Europe's best. What football teams are you referring to?
There are football leagues in europe. They may not be very good but mls soccer used to be really bad too and that never stopped them from playing EPL friendlies. Baseball started building talent pipelines in Asia. Nba did the same in Europe. American football is the only sport that really hasn’t put much effort into going the exhibition route.

GloucesterChief 03-31-2023 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16884908)
There are football leagues in europe. They may not be very good but mls soccer used to be really bad too and that never stopped them from playing EPL friendlies. Baseball started building talent pipelines in Asia. Nba did the same in Europe. American football is the only sport that really hasn’t put much effort into going the exhibition route.
Baseball in East Asia has a long history. Japan started playing in the early 1900s and spread it to Taiwan and Korea. Talent coming over is relatively recent though as most of the East Asian talent played in the Japanese leagues historically.

BigRedChief 03-31-2023 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 16884086)
That's just going to water down the product even further. not to mention a travel nightmare for all the teams affected.
Print em’

Chief Pagan 03-31-2023 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 16884754)
Can’t wait for a London at Seattle game to get flexed to Thursday Night Football.
London to Seattle is ten hours.

SF to to Berlin/Rome is 12~13 hours. I mean I guess if I'm flying first class and getting paid millions...

But that would still suck.

BigRedChief 03-31-2023 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Stewie (Post 16884758)
London Jack Rippers
Barcelona Inquisitioners
Berlin Blitzkrieg
Italy Hanger Upsidedowners
I already know of large group of Chief fans in Munich, Berlin that are wanting to know about chapters. London has a lot of NFL fans. It might be successful now.

Love to see the shield take away FIFA’s fans.

Basileus777 03-31-2023 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16884530)
I honestly think they'd have to adjust the salary cap on a team by team basis if they did this.

You can't expect teams that are subject to EU levels of withholding to be able to keep players at the same figures teams in the US can. And then what? How far do you go? Do you 'balance' for teams in Texas and Florida with no state income tax? California teams get a buffer because it has a high tax rate?

Shit, why not start talking about cost of living while you're at it...

It's all a terrible idea and it's designed to do nothing but make more money at the expense of the product. I would be righteously pissed.
European basketball players are paid in net (post tax) salaries. The solution is there, NFL owners just won't want to open that can of worms.

GloucesterChief 03-31-2023 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Chief Pagan (Post 16885035)
London to Seattle is ten hours.

SF to to Berlin/Rome is 12~13 hours. I mean I guess if I'm flying first class and getting paid millions...

But that would still suck.
If they do it, and they shouldn't, it will probably be a road trip where a team plays back to back weekends or some combination in Europe.

Kellerfox 03-31-2023 11:09 PM
To be clear, I am NOT advocating for expansion OR this idea, I’m against both, but I don’t think it’s necessarily required that a second 4 team expansion is required to balance the AFC and NFC if teams are added in Europe.

Existing 32 + 4 = 36.
Two 18 team conferences.
Three 6 team divisions per conference.

Getting to a logical/repeatable pattern of 17 games in that format is a bit challenging. Realignment also means that multiple teams lose traditional rivals. Two or more US teams also get stuck with European ones immediately hurting their value (how do you obligate/incentivize).

ThyKingdomCome15 04-01-2023 02:40 AM
Mahomes should be old by then. Just in time.

PAChiefsGuy 04-01-2023 03:07 AM
They are going to ruin the game but I think most of us saw this coming.

treeguy27 04-01-2023 07:16 AM
The tax rate is considerably higher in most European countries. The players won't love that. Free agents will be less likely to sign there.

scho63 04-01-2023 07:49 AM
Roger Goodell and the owners are the greediest ****s in all of sports.

Red Dawg 04-01-2023 08:07 AM
Greed will be the downfall of America.

kcpasco 04-01-2023 08:15 AM
**** this shit.

PAChiefsGuy 04-01-2023 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by treeguy27 (Post 16885143)
The tax rate is considerably higher in most European countries. The players won't love that. Free agents will be less likely to sign there.
That's true hopefully the NFLPA could block it but it doesn't seem like they have much say it most matters honestly.

BigRedChief 04-01-2023 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 16885164)
Greed will be the downfall of America.
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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 16885157)
Roger Goodell and the owners are the greediest ****s in all of sports.
This is our system. You have to take the good with the bad. Someone wants to get rich, start Apple in their parents garage is a part of the greed. Multi-Billionaires like being billionaires and the power it brings. That drive that got them there in the first place is probably still there.

Couch-Potato 04-01-2023 08:57 AM
was considering the suggested 8 team expansion and 18 game season... with all the travel, maybe your backups would play more often like in baseball or basketball. Essentially a pitch count to avoid injuries, which would make positions like backup QB more important. That could actually make the game more interesting from a team building standpoint.

Dave Lane 04-01-2023 08:58 AM
We really need to up the season to 30 games while we are at it :shake:

Just start a European league with 16 teams and the Super Bowl champ plays their champ for the world bowl. But other than preseason we never play them.

chiefzilla1501 04-01-2023 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 16884911)
Baseball in East Asia has a long history. Japan started playing in the early 1900s and spread it to Taiwan and Korea. Talent coming over is relatively recent though as most of the East Asian talent played in the Japanese leagues historically.
Yeah I get that football has less history in other countries. My main point was that other sports found ways to create international interest without season altering games on international turf and by using exhibitions. Look at how soccer does it in the US. I’ve been to EPL exhibitions that sell out college stadiums. I’ve seen EPL backup scrubs play MLS teams.

The NBA is definitely the best model of this. They’ve done an amazing job at bringing an international audience. Other leagues have been way more creative about attracting an international audience and they’re doing it without ****ing with nfl competitive scheduling

FringeNC 04-01-2023 09:09 AM
If there is one European expansion team, there really needs to be at least one more. If there is going to be an early morning Sunday game, there needs to be one every week or else people will forget about it. I never considered 4 team division though.

GloucesterChief 04-01-2023 09:25 AM
Interesting to think it could be something like this:

London Monarchs (formerly Jax)
Manchester Bees
Munich Blues
Berlin Artisans (Formerly Chargers)

PAChiefsGuy 04-01-2023 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16885175)
This is our system. You have to take the good with the bad. Someone wants to get rich, start Apple in their parents garage is a part of the greed. Multi-Billionaires like being billionaires and the power it brings. That drive that got them there in the first place is probably still there.
Someone who is relatively broke trying to get rich by creating a company is a little different than this. Let's not compare those two.

Putting money above everything, unless you are in a dire situation financially isn't the way to go and that's not what America is about.

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-01-2023 10:17 AM
The owners want the franchise fee. They don't give a **** about the quality of the product. If they did, they wouldn't have devastated the ability of defenses to play the game.

Mecca 04-01-2023 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 16885216)
Interesting to think it could be something like this:

London Monarchs (formerly Jax)
Manchester Bees
Munich Blues
Berlin Artisans (Formerly Chargers)
They don't have interest in current teams moving, they want to get to 40.

kccrow 04-02-2023 12:03 AM
There's already a problem with enough quality QBs in the NFL and they want to keep expanding? Good idea...

Not even going to get into the logistics of playing in Europe.

Bump 04-02-2023 12:09 AM
I could see them doing a fantasy draft like how you do in Madden in the future.

"well corporate did some studies and it showed that a fantasy draft would be very exciting and would bring interest into the NFL, so we will hold a lottery for draft order and every player in the league is available to draft"

ThyKingdomCome15 04-02-2023 02:48 AM
Pigs get slaughter. I detest globalism.

Otter 04-02-2023 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16884119)
London Limeys
Berlin Battletoads
Don't tempt me to root for the Battletoads you heathen!

crayzkirk 04-02-2023 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 16884400)
Paris Chickens
Scotch Whiskies?

Greed. Simple, basic greed. By people who already have more than they know what to do with. The NFL is not too big to fail.

chiefzilla1501 04-02-2023 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16885990)
There's already a problem with enough quality QBs in the NFL and they want to keep expanding? Good idea...

Not even going to get into the logistics of playing in Europe.
It watered down the baseball product for years. Probably one of the biggest reasons for the steroid era home run derbies. Which unfortunately might make owners salivate because it would generate more offense for teams like ours.

Mile High Mania 04-02-2023 11:14 AM
This is a terrible idea.


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