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DenverChief 04-03-2023 11:17 AM

Just for S&G in the 10 games played by Robinson

Sacked:

vs BUF (10-31) - 7 -- (1 Rec/2 Tgts, 12 yds)
vs ATL (31-27) - 1 -- (4 Rec/5 Tgts, 53 Yds, 4 1stD, 1 TD)
vs ARI (20-12) - 2 -- (2 Rec/5 Tgts, 23 yds, 1stD)
vs SF (9-24) - 7 --(2 Rec/6 Tgts, 7 Yds)
vs DAL (10-22) - 5 -- (3 Rec/5 Tgts, 12 yds)
vs CAR (24-10) - 1 -- (5 Rec/6 Tgts, 63 Yds, 5 1stD, 1 TD)
vs SF (14-31) - 2 -- (5 Rec/7 Tgts, 54 Yds, 3 1stD)
vs TB (13-16) - 1 --(3 Rec/5 Tgts, 24 yds, 3 1stD)
vs ARI (17-27) - 3 --(4 Rec/6 Tgts, 44 Tds 3 1stD)
vs NO (20-27) - 4 --(4 Rec/5 Tgts, 47 Yds, 4 1stD, 1 TD)

33 sacks in 10 games if you compare side by side his performance vs times sacked you can see the difference.

TwistedChief 04-03-2023 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16887499)
5 of the 10 games were well over the 34 YPG average:

W vs ATL (31-27) 4 Rec/5 Tgts, 53 Yds, 4 1stD, 1 TD
W vs CAR (24-10) 5 Rec/6 Tgts, 63 Yds, 5 1stD, 1 TD
L vs SF (14-31) 5 Rec/7 Tgts, 54 Yds, 3 1stD
L vs ARI (17-27) 4 Rec/6 Tgts, 44 Tds 3 1stD
L vs NO (20-27) 4 Rec/5 Tgts, 47 Yds, 4 1stD, 1 TD

The other games were blowouts or Defensive battles

L vs BUF (10-31) 1 Rec/2 Tgts, 12 yds
L vs SF (9-24) 2 Rec/6 Tgts, 7 Yds
L vs DAL (10-22) 3 Rec/5 Tgts, 12 yds
L vs TB (13-16) 3 Rec/5 Tgts, 24 yds, 3 1stD

The one outlier:

W vs ARI (20-12) 2 Rec/5 Tgts, 23 yds, 1stD


PFF had his receiving performance last year tied with - drum roll - Demarcus Robinson and Byron Pringle. 101st best in the league!

So his stats suck and even PFF sees how mediocre he is.

Bowser 04-03-2023 12:25 PM

Yeesh

Megatron96 04-03-2023 12:29 PM

Yeah, the more I look at this guy, the less I like the idea. Still won't be surprised if it happens (or some JAG very similar to this guy), but I doubt he's anything more than JJSS 1.5

The Franchise 04-03-2023 12:34 PM

The only way I'm taking Robinson on this team is if he's cut and he signs for vet min. And even then...it's not stopping me from drafting one high.

notorious 04-03-2023 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16887643)
The only way I'm taking Robinson on this team is if he's cut and he signs for vet min. And even then...it's not stopping me from drafting one high.

This.

Toad 04-03-2023 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16887643)
The only way I'm taking Robinson on this team is if he's cut and he signs for vet min. And even then...it's not stopping me from drafting one high.

I gave this a thumbs up.

DenverChief 04-03-2023 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16887627)
PFF had his receiving performance last year tied with - drum roll - Demarcus Robinson and Byron Pringle. 101st best in the league!

So his stats suck and even PFF sees how mediocre he is.

Is this the same PFF that had Patrick Mahomes as the worst week 1 starter?

I just find it funny we (CP) only point to PFF when it's convenient and trash it when it's not (Taylor).

:shrug:

BossChief 04-03-2023 12:55 PM

Why on earth would we have any interest in this guy?

It’s kinda obvious that Veach is going to attack WR like he did the CB group last year. A big swing early on and a couple more later on. He’s making the same predraft moves. Clearing the spots for the incoming cheap labor that will grow with Pat.

Kind of an odd draft to do that in, but Veach and his guys must see things we don’t.

TwistedChief 04-03-2023 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16887657)
Is this the same PFF that had Patrick Mahomes as the worst week 1 starter?

I just find it funny we (CP) only point to PFF when it's convenient and trash it when it's not (Taylor).

:shrug:

LOL. So the stats say he sucks, the eye test if you watched Rams games say he sucks, Rams fans say he sucks, but because PFF says he sucks, maybe he’s actually good because of how they graded Mahomes one week.

Sound argument.

DenverChief 04-03-2023 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16887674)
LOL. So the stats say he sucks, the eye test if you watched Rams games say he sucks, Rams fans say he sucks, but because PFF says he sucks, maybe he’s actually good because of how they graded Mahomes one week.

Sound argument.

Wait what? I'm saying PFF grades said Taylor sucks - CP says "but he is athletic". PFF says Pat sucks everybody loses their mind. But PFF says Robinson sucks and we (CP) eat it up like candy.

What Rams fans you been talking to? They hanging out with your Girlfriend in Belize?

DenverChief 04-03-2023 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16887679)
Wait what? I'm saying PFF grades said Taylor sucks - CP says "but he is athletic". PFF says Pat sucks everybody loses their mind. But PFF says Robinson sucks and we (CP) eat it up like candy.

What Rams fans you been talking to? They hanging out with your Girlfriend in Belize?

Hence why I don't even bring up PFF anymore - people believe their metrics when the narrative fits their agenda.

Cold hard stats - that's it.

Pitt Gorilla 04-03-2023 01:17 PM

Why would the Chiefs take on that salary? Even if they sent us a pick, I doubt we'd do it.

Edit: Wait, people were suggesting we GIVE UP a pick for this clown?!?

TwistedChief 04-03-2023 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16887679)
Wait what? I'm saying PFF grades said Taylor sucks - CP says "but he is athletic". PFF says Pat sucks everybody loses their mind. But PFF says Robinson sucks and we (CP) eat it up like candy.

What Rams fans you been talking to? They hanging out with your Girlfriend in Belize?

That’s not entirely accurate. PFF says Taylor is a bad run blocker but good pass blocker. And also that he’s ascending. CP says it doesn’t care about how bad of a run blocker he is because the guy is being signed for one reason and one reason only: to protect Mahomes.

I wouldn’t lean on any PFF ranking in isolation, but it’s backed up by the eye test, the stats, and the narrative around the guy. So then when you look at PFF and it grades him the same as two JAGs we know very, very well, it provides some context for the level of mediocrity we’re likely dealing with.

And could you imagine paying much of anything for either of those two guys?

DenverChief 04-03-2023 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16887716)
That’s not entirely accurate. PFF says Taylor is a bad run blocker but good pass blocker. And also that he’s ascending. CP says it doesn’t care about how bad of a run blocker he is because the guy is being signed for one reason and one reason only: to protect Mahomes.

I wouldn’t lean on any PFF ranking in isolation, but it’s backed up by the eye test, the stats, and the narrative around the guy. So then when you look at PFF and it grades him the same as two JAGs we know very, very well, it provides some context for the level of mediocrity we’re likely dealing with.

And could you imagine paying much of anything for either of those two guys?

That's not what the article I posted said about Taylor being graded overall WORSE than OBJ last year. But I digress...I can't speak to the eye test I didn't see him play last year and I don't hang around any degenerate Rams fans to hear their side of it. BUT I don't disbelieve that his performance the past year/two is on par with Demarcus Robinson/Pringle - my only question is can it be related to overall team performance. Hard to believe such a talent has fallen so far off a cliff. JMHO - at least Josh Gordon had an excuse (out of the league, substance abuse problems)

DJ's left nut 04-03-2023 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16887627)
PFF had his receiving performance last year tied with - drum roll - Demarcus Robinson and Byron Pringle. 101st best in the league!

So his stats suck and even PFF sees how mediocre he is.

Honestly, I'd rather have Pringle.

Rausch 04-03-2023 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16887941)
Honestly, I'd rather have Pringle.

I'd love Robinson. Don't let his time with the Rams fool you - Pat will throw to the open man. His mancrush for Kelcee isn't all consuming...

staylor26 04-18-2023 11:24 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Robinson was in the Rams building today and obviously left when he was informed, per source. <a href="https://t.co/W1WRqcCkXw">https://t.co/W1WRqcCkXw</a></p>&mdash; Dianna Russini (@diannaESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/diannaESPN/status/1648374463518457859?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Pasta Little Brioni 04-18-2023 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16906845)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Robinson was in the Rams building today and obviously left when he was informed, per source. <a href="https://t.co/W1WRqcCkXw">https://t.co/W1WRqcCkXw</a></p>&mdash; Dianna Russini (@diannaESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/diannaESPN/status/1648374463518457859?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Good. He's cooked

RealSNR 04-18-2023 11:28 AM

Oh no! We're running out of washed up veteran WRs with overpriced contracts to piss away draft picks on!!!!!

Guys, we don't have anybody at WR! We need a broke dick and fast or else we're dooooooooooomed!!!!!

DenverChief 04-18-2023 11:29 AM

Wonder what the compensation was....

Mecca 04-18-2023 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16906851)
Wonder what the compensation was....

Probably not much...

ptlyon 04-18-2023 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 16906850)
Oh no! We're running out of washed up veteran WRs with overpriced contracts to piss away draft picks on!!!!!

Guys, we don't have anybody at WR! We need a broke dick and fast or else we're dooooooooooomed!!!!!

I am very upset for not trading for this WR I've never heard of

Mecca 04-18-2023 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 16906857)
I am very upset for not trading for this WR I've never heard of

He use to be good..

Hopkins however is still good.

The Franchise 04-18-2023 11:35 AM

Because Kenny Pickett is going to revive his career.

Mecca 04-18-2023 01:17 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Trade terms agreement:<br><br>��Steelers get WR Allen Robinson and a 7th-round pick (No. 251).<br><br>��Rams receive 7th-round pick (No. 234).<br><br>Rams pay $10.25 million of Robinson’s salary; Steelers pay remaining $5 million. Robinson is scheduled to be in Pittsburgh for a physical Wednesday.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1648398946434162690?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Rams ate money to move him.

DJ's left nut 04-18-2023 01:37 PM

Well that was exactly what I said the Rams would have to do to move him; eat all but $5 million of it.

That said - we got Richie James for $1.7 million and he's simply a better football player than Allen Robinson.

This is the steelers setting cap space on fire, IMO.

Mecca 04-18-2023 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16907142)
Well that was exactly what I said the Rams would have to do to move him; eat all but $5 million of it.

That said - we got Richie James for $1.7 million and he's simply a better football player than Allen Robinson.

This is the steelers setting cap space on fire, IMO.

The Steelers apparently want him to replace the Claypool "Big Slot" role.

Dunerdr 04-18-2023 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16907144)
The Steelers apparently want him to replace the Claypool "Big Slot" role.

Like Claypool but a second slower in the 40

BryanBusby 04-18-2023 03:08 PM

Wonder what players are thinking when they find out they were essentially traded for a sack of dicks

JohnnyHammersticks 04-18-2023 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 16907333)
Wonder what players are thinking when they find out they were essentially traded for a sack of dicks

Rams didn't even get a full sack of dicks for him. It was a sack, but there were only like 3 or 4 dicks in the bottom of it.

Talisman 04-18-2023 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 16907339)
Rams didn't even get a full sack of dicks for him. It was a sack, but there were only like 3 or 4 dicks in the bottom of it.

This is just a bag with some pictures of guys named Richard in it. Half these guys don't even go by Dick!

Couch-Potato 04-18-2023 03:48 PM

Weird. Feels like the Stealers draft WRs, definitely don't trade for guys at the end of their careers.

BryanBusby 04-18-2023 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 16907339)
Rams didn't even get a full sack of dicks for him. It was a sack, but there were only like 3 or 4 dicks in the bottom of it.

A sack of partial dicks.

jjchieffan 04-19-2023 10:00 AM

I thought that it was a good trade for the Steelers. From what I understand, the $5M isn't guaranteed. So, bring him into camp and give him a shot. If he bounces back, then he's worth the $5M. If he doesn't show up in camp, cut him and all you're out is 17 spots in the 7th round. I would have been fine with the Chiefs making this move. Robinson is only 29, and when healthy, has been pretty good

Rasputin 04-19-2023 10:05 AM

Chiefs trade away high profile diva WR for but load of picks go on to win Super Bowl


Why the **** give up multiple picks for an aging high profile WR?


stupid

jjchieffan 04-19-2023 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rasputin (Post 16908173)
Chiefs trade away high profile diva WR for but load of picks go on to win Super Bowl


Why the **** give up multiple picks for an aging high profile WR?


stupid

Huh? The Rams moved back 17 spots in the 7th round.

DJ's left nut 04-19-2023 10:17 AM

It's not the pick cost - it's that we'd be torching (maybe) half our remaining cap space.

We bumped $10 million in PM's salary down the road, $10 million we'll have to come up with in future years now, so we could set half of it on fire?

Robinson has been flat out BAD for 2 seasons now. Set aside the injuries if you'd like - he simply hasn't been worth a damn when he's been on the field. And 'only' 29 doesn't exist for WRs. Better players than Robinson have fallen harder in their late 20s.

He's shown nothing to suggest he's worth that cap money or at the very least that the cap money couldn't be put to substantially better use.

Bowser 04-19-2023 10:19 AM

Considering what the Rams paid for Robinson and what they're getting in return for trading him literally a calendar year later (not to mention eating so much of his salary this season), then yeah, I'm glad we came nowhere near this guy.

Have fun, Stealers.


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