No details but if 70% of it is guaranteed at signing and it's only a 5 year deal, it can't be SUPER team friendly; there's just not that much room for wiggle.

The question comes down to what type of guarantees. Sometimes mere injury guarantees get reported at the beginning when in actuality an injury that simply makes the guy less productive wouldn't be enough to trigger them. It may be that year 4 is guaranteed for injury and year 5 has no guarantees and both years have substantial base salaries.

In which case it COULD be pretty team friendly. But as presently reported, there's just not many ways to make that a very team friendly deal. In fact, it could be a cap nightmare as early as year 3 if you presume they have a relatively low year 1 hit as most do.

Cool, thx. That makes a lot of sense to me.

Void years is the new trick. Cowboys are doing that to cheat the cap as much as possible. Won’t be surprised if Philly does the same thing.

I mean let's say they've put a $65 million year 5 base and the year 4 guarantee is partial.

Figure 40% of the guarantees are in signing bonus? So...$70 million signing bonus (14 million/yr pro-rated over 5)? So now you need to guarantee another $110 million over 4 years, right? Plus $70 million in non-guaranteed likely via a big year 5 hit and a little non-guaranteed money in year 4.

And year 1 is going to probably be lower. So let's give him a $10 million base in year 1 (2024). Now you need to get another $100 million over the next 3 seasons plus another $10 million in non-guaranteed money presumptively in season 4.

10-25-35-50-65? Plus $14 million/season in pro-rated signing bonus.

So cap hits:

Year 1: $24 million
2: $39 million
3: $49 million
4: $64 million
5: Who cares?

Now it won't be structured like this because that's just not how teams do it anymore. They like that guaranteed option bonus structure that I think has something to do with cash flow. I don't really know why they do it but they typically do.

But in either event, how can you really move those numbers around much to hit a $180 million guarantee in the first 4 years and still have it be team friendly?

But with a QB contract? Yikes, man - that's playing with fire. Those numbers will be soooooooo biiiiiiiig that you're really over a barrel if/when it comes time to re-do that deal.

Voidable years are hinky but understandable when dealing with a player who's probably not going to be around anyway when those void years get there; they'll have aged out.

But if you're the Eagles, you don't really want to have yourself in a bargaining position where you're about to take a zillion dollar dead money hit if you can't get a deal re-worked for the QB you want to keep around for another few years. Because man, that's a good way to get cornholed at the table (as Rodgers has done to GB repeatedly; Brees wasn't kind to NOLA either).

I just think that's a pretty awful idea.

Lol Lamar

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="et" dir="ltr">Side-by-side comparison of Jalen Hurts’ deal with the Eagles and the Ravens’ offer to Lamar Jackson last September (per <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AdamSchefter</a>)<br><br>TOTAL VALUE<br>JH: $255M<br>LJ: $250M<br><br>FULL GTD AT SIGNING<br>JH: $110M<br>LJ: $133M<br><br>TOTAL GTD<br>JH: $179.3M<br>LJ: $200M</p>&mdash; Sarah Ellison (@sgellison) <a href="https://twitter.com/sgellison/status/1647987432128692228?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Jackson saving Baltimore from themselves last year definitely bums me out...

Lamar is a moron. Sheesh

One good season and he gets that contract?

Yup, and man, if that’s what Baltimore offered Lamar the eagles gotta feel good about what they got.

Unlike Lamar, hurts has proven to be a leader
He’s won big games
And maybe I’m wrong but have we seen Lamar improve any aspect of his game? He’s only proven to become more injury prone and his running will regress while not really improving. Hurts has really gotten better as a passer and good chance he’ll continue to.
And maybe unfair to say, but it sure felt like Lamar held out of the playoffs so he didn’t hurt his contract negotiation. Considering our guy was screaming to get back on a high ankle sprain

I’m sure somebody will take Lamar because he’ll put butts in seats. Would be a fun ride while you get him. But man i wouldn’t put much faith in that team contending.

He played out of his mind against us.

Made a believer out of me.

That doesn’t seem unreasonable for a qb drafting outside of the first round. It takes a while to develop and their rookie contracts are shorter. It’s not like a dak situation where you feel obligated to pay a contract. He’s given Philly reason to want to give him a contract.

Yeah, getting shoved in the end zone by his teammates was real impressive. lets see what he does now. I think he's not that great.

Did you miss the dozen or so precision throws he made under immense pressure during crucial points in the game?

That rugby play is such bullshit though

True but cmon. 50 50 hero balls being caught every damn time. That team scores 14 to 17 less points on a normal day. Meanwhile the KC offense looked effortless

I was never a big Hurts fan but is this really even a question? He took them to the SB and went toe to toe with the best in the game. You pay that guy whatever the **** he wants.

Easy question - are the Eagles more likely to make the SB in the next 3-4 years w/ Jalen Hurts under center with his present contract than they would be if the Eagles traded him or let him walk and attempted to draft a replacement?

I think the answer is yes. So in that case, you sign him.

It's not going to be easy, but it'll be easier than the alternative. This isn't like the Giants giving Daniel Jones a deal - they are, at BEST, no closer to winning a championship and in all probability further away than they would be by moving on from Jones.

The Eagles can make this work - it'll just be harder than it was when he was making 2nd rounder money.

He's not Mahomes. Nobody else is.

If you're a team that just had an excellent season and looked markedly different with Hurts under center than you did with Minshew, you can't just say "**** it - we either get Mahomes or we just keep churning through QBs on rookie contracts..."

Mahomes just isn't a reasonable standard to hold a guy to. Jalen Hurts wins the Super Bowl if literally ANY other human being in the world is playing Quarterback for the Chiefs.

So...keep him.

He's good talent. Just had to try and win against the best last game and lost. Nothing to be ashamed of.

One thing in Philly's favor is the very weak situation for QB's in the NFC. They have a much cleaner path than any of the AFC teams.

I agree. I'm just pointing out the absolute bullshit plays it took to put up points

Is there anyone who could've been playing QB for the Eagles that day who would've put them past us?

I really don't think there is. And I don't know that there are any QBs who I'd have been reasonably confident would've kept them AS close. Maybe Josh Allen because of the way the threat of the QB run kept us a bit off balance for awhile.

Maybe Burrow since he'd have similar offensive weapons to what he has but a better OL? Then again, it was Cincy's defense that really seemed to give us fits in that AFCCG.

But whatever the case may be, it's a damn short list that Hurts put himself on with that performance and the season he had leading up to it. That's worth a shiny new QB contract.

^this^ even with a 60%-70% hobbled up Mahomes...

They also won a Super Bowl during a season where Carson Wentz and Nick Foles both played great.

Why not wait for six to nine months? It's not like he'd ask for more than $50 million if he excels again in 2023. If he plays worse in 2023 they likely still keep him but offer less money.

Word is that he was going to hold out for more, but his offensive line pushed him to sign.

Nevermind. Good joke.

Did you see the shit season he had prior? One season doesn't make you a great one. Is Flacco great? is Dilfer great? Was Rypien great? Was Jake Delhome great? One season wonders happen.

Just saying he will have to be better than he has been with that contract and I don't think he will.

Yeah I was really impressed by his poise and maturity. Never looked shook or looked like the game and moment was too big for him. Nothing less than a flawless game was going to beat him and the Eagles that night. Any other AFC team would've fallen.

Hey Lamar, come over here, no really I want to show you something, see it? Its a contract, you know what that is right? Its pretty good isnt it? Lots of money for a long time, yeah?
YOU COULD HAVE HAD THIS CONTRACT, WHY DID YOU NOT SIGN A CONTRACT, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING? IM GONNA SEND YOU SOME UHAULS SO YOU MOVE OUT OF BALTIMORE...EHHHH in my best Kennison voice

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Eagles’ QB Jalen Hurts’ salary-cap numbers for the next four seasons after today’s $255 million extension:<br><br>��2023: $6.15 million<br>��2024: $13.56 million<br>��2025: $21.77 million<br>��2026: $31.77 million</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1648101167619100683?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That’s not bad at all.

So that looks like three years of very inexpensive QB play. Well done by Roseman.

That's only 83 million and some change? Where's the rest?

Edit: Nevermind, starts after this year, I guess.

Those numbers don’t add up but that’s a hell of a deal for roseman. Jalen probably happy since it’s largely injury guaranteed.

I’m guessing in 2027 there’s one guaranteed bonus due. The kind of bonus that would be impossible to pay off in 1-2 years so they probably HAVE to give him a 4-5 year extension.

So maybe not that different from mahomes’ contract except way more backloaded. And unlike hurts, mahomes already locked in the end of his contract. Pretty risky for the eagles because a serious injury will stick them with a gigantic bill they can’t get out of. But makes sense that Philly feels their window is now even if it “hurts” later

I'm looking at it as if we still don't have all the details yet. This guy posted just one facet of the deal, that being the cap hit for the next four years. Probably we'll get the reset of the details they want to disseminate over the next week or so.

that's the other reason why I don't spend much time looking at contracts; they never tell you all the details.

Either howie roseman got an insanely good deal (created a dummy 5th year with a gigantic salary they don’t intend to pay. Just so Jalen can brag it’s $51m)

Or they’re guaranteeing a huge bonus in a late year which will force them to restructure. And when they restructure they HAVE to make it an extension because it’s too steep to pay off in 2 years.

I bet it’s somewhere in between.

My guess is that Roseman put together as good a 'team-friendly' deal as he could. We'll find out more details over the next few days/weeks, but I'm confident that Roseman isn't an idiot.

The cap is too easily manipulated

Making him the perfect match for the Chargers.

Oh yeah, he knows what he’s doing. It seems like a really smart deal. I am guessing they’re willing to backload the hell out of his contract because they know they have a contender now and there’s no guarantee hurts will be healthy in 5 years. Worst case they take a big hit in the later years of the deal. But they keep their window wide open the next few years.

There is definitely a chance he gets more if they wait until next year to extend him. It was smart of Philly to get out ahead of potential Burrow and Herbert extensions and possibly even a big Lamar extension. Burrow and Herbert are both going to sign for more AAV than Hurts got.

They got the best deal they were ever going to get by signing him before Lamar and the others. Waiting would have cost them more.

Also to “gary cooper” keep in mind that this was a contract extension. Next year they still basically pay him on a rookie contract.

Mahomes deal looks amazing rn

Fixed

I'll probably see Siriani's Father In-law tomorrow or the next day at the golf course. I'll see what he has to offer on the subject.

Herbert is a Philip Rivers clone, don’t need him to get paid.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">... In 2027, the Eagles can either pay $5M in an option bonus with a $46M base OR $49.655M in an option bonus with a $1.345M base. In 2028, it&#39;s either a $10M option bonus with a $41M base, or $49.6M option bonus with a $1.4M base.<br><br>The guarantees are interesting too. 👇</p>&mdash; Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1650871678056923136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 25, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Been a little conversation on the structure over in the draft forum:

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=348492

My conversation with the FIL was basically Jalen is a guy who will continue to work after he got his big payday. In the end he agreed that a QB will have to make his living throwing the ball.