Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17073503)

A lot do that shit is going around. Just mind numbingly stupid unless you are a consistently elite player.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/v...er-report/amp/

Originally Posted by GoForIt (Post 17072813)

The league was different then. Most forget that Brady went to the pro bowl that year in addition to winning SB MVP. He also led GWDs vs both the Raiders and Rams that postseason. In 2002 he led the league in TDs with 28. That is how different things were then.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17073512)

Best I can figure is they're banking on an exploding salary cap creating space next off-season that will help them get what they're looking for from SOMEONE.

And I do believe that if Jones hits the market unfettered, he could get something at/near what he's reportedly looking for.

But you ultimately have to give zero ****s about where you sign to get that done. Jones can get $24-25 million anywhere in football. Wherever he wants to play, he can play.

But if he wants $30 million, he's gonna have a small pool of probably really shitty teams to choose from. Hock's in the same boat - try to get WR money if you want and you MIGHT find it somewhere. But you're gonna be playing for an also-ran who's rebuilding and has cap space to spend but nobody worth spending it on.

Hope it's worth it...

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17073563)

If you’re Chris jones and already have 2 rings…..what else you got to prove

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17073567)

"I'll only play for the Chiefs...."

I mean - it just seems comfort/familiarity mattered to him at SOME point.

Then someone got in his ear...

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17073354)

I just really wanna know when Quinnen Williams turned into an afterthought in these discussions.

Quinnen Williams is WAY closer to Chris Jones than Chris Jones is to the Aaron Donald that 'earned' that contract.

Aaron Donald was neck and neck with Reggie White in terms of pure dominance from the DT position. I mean he was an absolute monster at his apex. His stretch from 2017 to 2020 has to be close to the most dominant stretch of DL play ever. He was THAT good.

Jones is very very good. Again, HoF at his peak. But not Mount Rushmore of Defensive Linemen at his peak. And someday, if not already, Quinnen Williams will be that 'very very good' level of player in his own right, IMO.

And yet we just keep seeing writers say "well he's the closest the league has to Donald..."

He's great. But he's not that close to being Aaron Donald. And Quinnen Williams ain't that far from being Chris Jones. Jones isn't THAT much better than Hargrave was last year. He might not have been at ALL better than Dexter Lawrence was.

And while Jones was swinging out to the edge for some of his productivity (about 20% of his snaps there), Williams wasn't ever doing it. And Dexter Lawrence did ALL of his work from the damn A gap, which is absolutely bonkers. 63 pressures while being used only in the A/B gaps (and about 4-1 in the A gap) just doesn't happen.

Lawrence and Williams signed reasonable deals and have very VERY strong cases to make that they're more valuable assets over the next 4 seasons than Jones will be. And yet every damn article out there wants to act like Jones is Peak Donald 2.0.

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17073577)

Can't emphasize how accurate this post is.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17073579)

Well someone get that big-dicked sumbitch to read it!

I'd really prefer see #95, much richer than he ever dreamed he'd be, out there wrecking shit for us next season.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17073486)

I think his people lied.

Just flat out lied about Jones and his likely demands. They didn't want to see him traded and never intended to take a 'step up' deal over the rest of the contracts signed this season.

This may be the sort of thing that burns bridges with the organization. I don't know much about Jones' agency, but if they have other dudes looking for contracts in Kansas City - they'd better keep moving.

I firmly believe they have torched a TON of capital with this franchise. There's just no way they were up front in their demands this off-season and Veach stood pat.

And to be fair - they don't HAVE to be. There's nothing unethical about it - their duty is to their client and they may reasonably have believed this was the best way to get him what he wanted - to stay in KC and get Donald money in the end.

But i believe they've mis-read the room. I don't think the Chiefs are moving.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17073582)

It’s kinda sad. Now we’re just waiting for it to drop on Twitter. You know it’s coming.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17073590)

I'm an easy lay, though.

If that deal were announced, I'd immediately start pumping myself over $20 million in FA next season, the potential of Dexter and the possibility of Fields shitting himself, us ending up in the top 10 and flipping that pick plus our late 1st for a shot at any of 5-8 guys who could've been the best talent in this year's draft.

The top of the '24 draft is a goddamn monster.

I'd be bummed - but there's still football to play and we still have the baddest mother****er on the planet under center. I'd get past it.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17073590)

I'm an easy lay, though.

If that deal were announced, I'd immediately start pumping myself over $20 million in FA next season, the potential of Dexter and the possibility of Fields shitting himself, us ending up in the top 10 and flipping that pick plus our late 1st for a shot at any of 5-8 guys who could've been the best talent in this year's draft.

The top of the '24 draft is a goddamn monster.

I'd be bummed - but there's still football to play and we still have the baddest mother****er on the planet under center. I'd get past it.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17073599)

I also don’t really think it’s ideal we will come out of this whole thing with no Tyreek or no Chris jones

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17073354)

I just really wanna know when Quinnen Williams turned into an afterthought in these discussions.

Quinnen Williams is WAY closer to Chris Jones than Chris Jones is to the Aaron Donald that 'earned' that contract.

Aaron Donald was neck and neck with Reggie White in terms of pure dominance from the DT position. I mean he was an absolute monster at his apex. His stretch from 2017 to 2020 has to be close to the most dominant stretch of DL play ever. He was THAT good.

Jones is very very good. Again, HoF at his peak. But not Mount Rushmore of Defensive Linemen at his peak. And someday, if not already, Quinnen Williams will be that 'very very good' level of player in his own right, IMO.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17073563)

If you’re Chris jones and already have 2 rings…..what else you got to prove

Originally Posted by emaw1979 (Post 17073613)

Yes...The fact they are mentioned together in the same breath bothers me. Even this past season, CJ wasn't close to the dominance Aaron Donald displayed for most of his career and it was CJ's defining season.

CJ has been a good player. Last year was the first time I felt he was great. Even in his 2018 season where he had 15 sacks, he was awful against the run and the defense was historically bad.

Veach's mistake was not making a trade at the beginning of the off-season when the value was the highest. CJ talking out his ass about wanting to be a Chief for life etc may have tricked us all.

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 17073634)

You have to have a trade partner on the other side to play ball.

I honestly don't think anyone wants to take on his predicted contract.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17073675)

Which is why I keep saying he needs to take the Taylor route.

Give him permission to seek a trade. See who wants to give him $30 million.

If nobody's going to blink, the only thing you can do is hold his eyelids open "A Clockwork Orange" style. FORCE him to see reality.

If he's right - make a trade rather than keep an unhappy player. If he's not, maybe he gets reasonable in a hurry.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17073582)

It’s kinda sad. Now we’re just waiting for it to drop on Twitter. You know it’s coming.

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17073603)

What if Jones suffers a season ending injury week 1? How would that be different than him sitting out or being on another team?

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17073582)

It’s kinda sad. Now we’re just waiting for it to drop on Twitter. You know it’s coming.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17073354)

I just really wanna know when Quinnen Williams turned into an afterthought in these discussions.

Quinnen Williams is WAY closer to Chris Jones than Chris Jones is to the Aaron Donald that 'earned' that contract.

Aaron Donald was neck and neck with Reggie White in terms of pure dominance from the DT position. I mean he was an absolute monster at his apex. His stretch from 2017 to 2020 has to be close to the most dominant stretch of DL play ever. He was THAT good.

Jones is very very good. Again, HoF at his peak. But not Mount Rushmore of Defensive Linemen at his peak. And someday, if not already, Quinnen Williams will be that 'very very good' level of player in his own right, IMO.

And yet we just keep seeing writers say "well he's the closest the league has to Donald..."

He's great. But he's not that close to being Aaron Donald. And Quinnen Williams ain't that far from being Chris Jones. Jones isn't THAT much better than Hargrave was last year. He might not have been at ALL better than Dexter Lawrence was.

And while Jones was swinging out to the edge for some of his productivity (about 20% of his snaps there), Williams wasn't ever doing it. And Dexter Lawrence did ALL of his work from the damn A gap, which is absolutely bonkers. 63 pressures while being used only in the A/B gaps (and about 4-1 in the A gap) just doesn't happen.

Lawrence and Williams signed reasonable deals and have very VERY strong cases to make that they're more valuable assets over the next 4 seasons than Jones will be. And yet every damn article out there wants to act like Jones is Peak Donald 2.0.

Originally Posted by SDChiefs (Post 17074750)

Reggie White was a DE.