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BleedingRed 08-30-2023 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 17080433)
Thanks, looks like I have some reading and learning to do.:thumb:

Here at Pirate Uni we like to create the NEW generation of Pirates... For a cheaper tomorrow

Mecca 08-30-2023 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 17080440)
Here at Pirate Uni we like to create the NEW generation of Pirates... For a cheaper tomorrow

I'm not sure Hemi is part of the new generation.

BleedingRed 08-30-2023 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17080443)
I'm not sure Hemi is part of the new generation.

Old dog, new trick.


Here is the best setup:

1x HDMI
1x Laptop
1x TV (Any size)

-Plug laptop into TV and right click on desktop, you will see option for Display settings. Make sure it is set to "Mirror" (I find that is easier)

-Navigate to browser of choice and go to a "Website"

(THIS IS THE ANNOYING PART)

Most of these website have popups, look for the small X's or close the new opened tabs

-Click on screen enlarge

-sit back and enjoy HD NFL

mr. tegu 08-30-2023 02:40 PM

I got sick of streams last season. With the Chiefs basically never on at noon anymore I’m getting NFL Sunday Ticket and Red Zone so I can actually choose what games to watch instead whatever is on locally. It’s $440 for the season but honestly I think it will be worth it to no have more dealing with streams.

You don’t need any different cable, satellite, or streaming service which is nice because I have no interest in YouTube TV or direct TV.

LoneWolf 08-30-2023 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17080106)
So to watch the NFL if you are a big fan and want to watch a lot of content and not illegally do it...that would require..

Sometype of cable sub whether it is hardline or youtube tv etc
sunday ticket
prime
peacock
and your cable sub has to have espn and nfl network in it

Someone should add up how much that costs..

I have them all.

Cable--$212 per month including ESPN and NFL Network (this is with 6 cable boxes.
Sunday Ticket--$300 per year
Prime--$19.99 per month (I get this back many times over with what I save on shipping)
Peacock--$9.99 per month.

Grand Total of $266.98 per month

SupDock 08-30-2023 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 17080468)
I got sick of streams last season. With the Chiefs basically never on at noon anymore I’m getting NFL Sunday Ticket and Red Zone so I can actually choose what games to watch instead whatever is on locally. It’s $440 for the season but honestly I think it will be worth it to no have more dealing with streams.

You don’t need any different cable, satellite, or streaming service which is nice because I have no interest in YouTube TV or direct TV.

What is your plan for ESPN?

HemiEd 08-30-2023 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17080443)
I'm not sure Hemi is part of the new generation.

Oh heck no, I have grandsons that are though, but they are 500 miles away.

In my defense, I did train service techs on VHS repair back in the day. :D

Mr. Plow 08-30-2023 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 17080506)
In my defense, I did train service techs on VHS repair back in the day. :D

https://media.tenor.com/pgqf6BDXADIA...eve-carell.gif

HemiEd 08-30-2023 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 17080512)

:LOL:

Bl00dyBizkitz 08-30-2023 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17080072)
Good. Buy TV cheapskates. Cant imagine the hassle everyday trying to find bootlegged TV and the the buffering and Shitty quality. Life is to short

No.

BWillie 08-30-2023 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17080297)
That's cute. The leagues are saying they're losing $28 billion a year because people are pirating.

Do they really believe that EVEN if they somehow found a way to stop ALL illegal streams that they would earn that supposed $28 billion back? Or even a fraction of it?

People aren't paying because they don't believe the product you offer is worth the asinine price or the hassle that comes with trying to sign up for every goddamn streaming service known to man.

You might not make back the $28 billion you're missing out on if you make some changes there, but I'll bet you'll earn back a big hunk of it if you're reasonable with your price and subscription demands.

No but you would make quite a bit of it back. Maybe half.

BWillie 08-30-2023 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17080205)
BWillie trying to stream


https://i.imgur.com/UrIdIsr.png

Ain't no way I'm clicking on random links from morally corrupt internet pirates. No ****ing way in hell.

ToxSocks 08-30-2023 03:28 PM

HemiEd be using a jail broken GeoSafari he got from his grandkids to browse Chiefsplanet.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/PiBJAgQO76Q?si=atsxQgtUV1jydQhj" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen></iframe>

mr. tegu 08-30-2023 03:29 PM

They coming for the streams yet again
 
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Originally Posted by SupDock (Post 17080497)
What is your plan for ESPN?


Just been password sharing with my parents for years. We use Philo for cable which is $20 per month. It doesn’t have sports which is why it’s so cheap but I don’t have time for live sports other than football which I’m allowed to make time for. Otherwise we have Prime and antenna so we are covered with every game I think this way. I know people don’t like Prime games but I honestly have no idea how people don’t already have prime anyways.

ToxSocks 08-30-2023 03:30 PM

****in' GeoSafari. Holy blast from the past. If that don't make your nostalgia bones laugh then **** you.

BWillie 08-30-2023 03:35 PM

Me and my girlfriend have the following:

Direct TV $140 (she apparently needs like 3 of the channels and her family mooches off of it & so we can get Ballys)
YouTube TV $85? (Best streaming interface & cloud recording ive ever seen)
Netflix $13.99? (Watch alot of standup comedy on it)
Prime $14.99 (only use it so I can buy shit)
Showtime $5.99? (She watches Billions)
HBO Max $17? (Watched Friends and watching Fresh Prince of Bel Air)
ESPN+ & Disney free with verizon
Apple TV $6.99 (Ted Lasso & Hijack)
Hulu $7.99 (Think we watched Homeland on there?)
Paramount+ $5.99 (The Zoe Saldana spy military show thing)
Peacock $5.99 (Killing It)
NBA League Pass $14.99

So thats a total of $319 a month by 2 people = $159.50

Not bad. I paid like $145 for cable in like 2008 and I get tons more content now. Drop in the bucket.

BigRedChief 08-30-2023 03:38 PM

This is a stupid move. All these streamers will just move to another IP, country host etc.

there is no way to stop illegal streaming unless you go after the person viewing the illegal stream. And that would be a public relations nightmare that no sane person or corporation would even consider.

Bump 08-30-2023 03:39 PM

maybe they could be somewhat consumer friendly and not have such hatred towards their fans. Imagine if you could pick a team (I would pick my favorite team, the Kansas City Chiefs) on a streaming service like Amazon for say $30 for the season and you can watch every Chiefs game on amazon and only Chiefs games. I would pay that. But there's no way I'm getting NFL sunday ticket or anything like that because it would be annoying and I'm only interested in watching Chiefs games (because they are my favorite team). I don't give two shits about watching any other team.

mr. tegu 08-30-2023 03:39 PM

I wonder if internet pirates will be glamorized like the 1700’s pirates.

HemiEd 08-30-2023 03:50 PM

:
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 17080566)
HemiEd be using a jail broken GeoSafari he got from his grandkids to browse Chiefsplanet.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/PiBJAgQO76Q?si=atsxQgtUV1jydQhj" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen></iframe>

:LOL:

You guys are too funny, actually my Dell Inspirion 15 3000 is as big to me as my grandson's Iphones. Well almost. No, not really.

My 22 year old number 2 was just here for 7 weeks and it was a great time.

But to say his phone was the major player in his day would be an understatement. Heck, even my Pixel 3 has to be by my side or in my pocket.

Bearcat 08-30-2023 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 17080567)
Just been password sharing with my parents for years. We use Philo for cable which is $20 per month. It doesn’t have sports which is why it’s so cheap but I don’t have time for live sports other than football which I’m allowed to make time for. Otherwise we have Prime and antenna so we are covered with every game I think this way. I know people don’t like Prime games but I honestly have no idea how people don’t already have prime anyways.

I feel like Prime is one of the dumber things I pay for, but I've also had it forever and haven't really done the math on shipping costs (considering most of the time I don't actually need shit in 2 days, and now many times Prime is 3+ days anyway). I mostly watch stuff on Netflix (and at least some Prime content has commercials, which is annoying given you're already paying for it), so I'm not sure I'd really miss it.

mr. tegu 08-30-2023 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17080618)
I feel like Prime is one of the dumber things I pay for, but I've also had it forever and haven't really done the math on shipping costs (considering most of the time I don't actually need shit in 2 days, and now many times Prime is 3+ days anyway). I mostly watch stuff on Netflix (and at least some Prime content has commercials, which is annoying given you're already paying for it), so I'm not sure I'd really miss it.


It’s not even just the shipping for me. So much everyday stuff is just way cheaper on there. I view it like Costco. You are losing money by not paying the membership to shop there. Of course this does probably vary based on purchasing needs.

Hog's Gone Fishin 08-30-2023 03:58 PM

DTV and local nexstar are in dispute so NBC and Fox are off the table for me. No Thursday night kickoff without a stream.

Shag 08-30-2023 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 17080448)
Old dog, new trick.


Here is the best setup:

1x HDMI
1x Laptop
1x TV (Any size)

-Plug laptop into TV and right click on desktop, you will see option for Display settings. Make sure it is set to "Mirror" (I find that is easier)

-Navigate to browser of choice and go to a "Website"

(THIS IS THE ANNOYING PART)

Most of these website have popups, look for the small X's or close the new opened tabs

-Click on screen enlarge

-sit back and enjoy HD NFL

Do you not have an adblocker? Shouldn't be dealing with popups these days - get the Ublock Origin browser extension.

Bearcat 08-30-2023 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 17080621)
It’s not even just the shipping for me. So much everyday stuff is just way cheaper on there. I view it like Costco. You are losing money by not paying the membership to shop there. Of course this does probably vary based on purchasing needs.

Yeah, I just need to shop with it logged off in another browser and after a bit either come to the conclusion that, hell yeah it's worth it... or, WTF I'm paying for. Not saying it IS dumb to pay for it, but it seemed like such a great deal back when it was $99/month, and +$40/month later and years of letting it renew automatically, have just thought I should dig into it. And I do use it fairly often, because I hate shopping in stores.

Costco is awesome... hell, I bought flooring from them once and not only had no-questions-asked returns on the extra, but noticed it was cheaper a few weeks later and they refunded the difference. Much less of course the food and all the other shit in the store.

DaFace 08-30-2023 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17080584)
Me and my girlfriend have the following:

Direct TV $140 (she apparently needs like 3 of the channels and her family mooches off of it & so we can get Ballys)
YouTube TV $85? (Best streaming interface & cloud recording ive ever seen)
Netflix $13.99? (Watch alot of standup comedy on it)
Prime $14.99 (only use it so I can buy shit)
Showtime $5.99? (She watches Billions)
HBO Max $17? (Watched Friends and watching Fresh Prince of Bel Air)
ESPN+ & Disney free with verizon
Apple TV $6.99 (Ted Lasso & Hijack)
Hulu $7.99 (Think we watched Homeland on there?)
Paramount+ $5.99 (The Zoe Saldana spy military show thing)
Peacock $5.99 (Killing It)
NBA League Pass $14.99

So thats a total of $319 a month by 2 people = $159.50

Not bad. I paid like $145 for cable in like 2008 and I get tons more content now. Drop in the bucket.

That's insanity. We total up about $40 for 2 people.

I'm also surprised that you'd support your family pirating your DirecTV account. I thought that kind of thing was "morally corrupt."

HemiEd 08-30-2023 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 17080627)
DTV and local nexstar are in dispute so NBC and Fox are off the table for me. No Thursday night kickoff without a stream.

That is the problem we had with CBS the last few years with Dish, now it is clear they were moving to Paramount and Sattelite TV is dated and doomed.
See ya, it's happening.

My answer was three different antennas in the attic.

Bowser 08-30-2023 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17080205)
BWillie trying to stream


https://i.imgur.com/UrIdIsr.png

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7d/04...19334f2d8f.gif

BleedingRed 08-30-2023 06:05 PM

Oh and if you have a new TV that has screen mirroring you can just cast the "Stream" from phone to TV


(PS all these streaming websites work on mobile devices)

HemiEd 08-30-2023 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 17080873)
Oh and if you have a new TV that has screen mirroring you can just cast the "Stream" from phone to TV


(PS all these streaming websites work on mobile devices)

:thumb:

AussieChiefsFan 08-30-2023 06:57 PM

GamePass International used to be great but now international viewers are forced to use this shit streaming service that's meant for PPV boxing.

Thank God KC has been on top of the world recently otherwise it'd be barely worth the price.

displacedinMN 08-30-2023 06:57 PM

Like they will ever be able to close all of them down

Bearcat 08-31-2023 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 17080663)
That's insanity. We total up about $40 for 2 people.

I'm also surprised that you'd support your family pirating your DirecTV account. I thought that kind of thing was "morally corrupt."

He also once said his A/C bill was $600/month during the summer and he'd never bothered figuring out why.... so he's either truly the dumbest dumbass on the planet spending $1000 between those things or is just making it up.

I've always assumed the latter... but hey, maybe one day we'll learn this "girlfriend" dresses him every morning and ties his shoes and operates all these streaming platforms to make sure his cartoons are on every morning, then the former would start making more sense.

BWillie 08-31-2023 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17081282)
He also once said his A/C bill was $600/month during the summer and he'd never bothered figuring out why.... so he's either truly the dumbest dumbass on the planet spending $1000 between those things or is just making it up.

I've always assumed the latter... but hey, maybe one day we'll learn this "girlfriend" dresses him every morning and ties his shoes and operates all these streaming platforms to make sure his cartoons are on every morning, then the former would start making more sense.

Do you want me to take a video of my Roku or something? Be happy to. And that was at my old house. Its only $400 in the summer now.

Stryker 08-31-2023 06:35 AM

Losing $28 billion? WTF? How about LOWERING the prices of tickets!

Bearcat 08-31-2023 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17081283)
Do you want me to take a video of my Roku or something? Be happy to. And that was at my old house. Its only $400 in the summer now.

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Simply Red 08-31-2023 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 17080099)
It's interesting to me the people that will go on the internet and admit to stealing. You aren't entitled to NFL games. If you don't like it, quit watching.

Shut the **** up.

Mecca 08-31-2023 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 17080590)
I wonder if internet pirates will be glamorized like the 1700’s pirates.

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BWillie 08-31-2023 06:55 AM

Really though....how is stealing $160 of streaming services per month any different than those people stealing $950 worth of shit in San Francisco? This is against gods will. Be a good Christian. Thou shalt not steal. We teach or children right from wrong and to not steal. In Riyadh they cut your hand off for stealing. I think if caught stealing streaming services in USA you should lose the right to be able to have internet. You are effectively banned.

BleedingRed 08-31-2023 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17081297)
Really though....how is stealing $160 of streaming services per month any different than those people stealing $950 worth of shit in San Francisco? This is against gods will. Be a good Christian. Thou shalt not steal. We teach or children right from wrong and to not steal. In Riyadh they cut your hand off for stealing. I think if caught stealing streaming services in USA you should lose the right to be able to have internet. You are effectively banned.

No one sits on those sites all month too

The best part is because of the way the internet works, there is NOTHING they can do to stop it. And all these streams are so far outside of US jurisdiction it hopeless

Mecca 08-31-2023 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17081297)
Really though....how is stealing $160 of streaming services per month any different than those people stealing $950 worth of shit in San Francisco? This is against gods will. Be a good Christian. Thou shalt not steal. We teach or children right from wrong and to not steal. In Riyadh they cut your hand off for stealing. I think if caught stealing streaming services in USA you should lose the right to be able to have internet. You are effectively banned.

Man why you gotta be a narc?

Bearcat 08-31-2023 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17081297)
Really though....how is stealing $160 of streaming services per month any different than those people stealing $950 worth of shit in San Francisco? This is against gods will. Be a good Christian. Thou shalt not steal. We teach or children right from wrong and to not steal. In Riyadh they cut your hand off for stealing. I think if caught stealing streaming services in USA you should lose the right to be able to have internet. You are effectively banned.

$790.

Stewie 08-31-2023 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17080618)
I feel like Prime is one of the dumber things I pay for, but I've also had it forever and haven't really done the math on shipping costs (considering most of the time I don't actually need shit in 2 days, and now many times Prime is 3+ days anyway). I mostly watch stuff on Netflix (and at least some Prime content has commercials, which is annoying given you're already paying for it), so I'm not sure I'd really miss it.

I don't have Prime, but I do buy a lot from Amazon. When a purchase goes through it will give a delivery day of 4-5 days. I'd say 95% of the time I'll get an email the next day saying "Your items will be delivered early." It then shows up in the 2-3 day window.

BleedingRed 08-31-2023 07:43 AM

Anyone with a wife has prime, regardless if they know about it or not

Mecca 08-31-2023 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 17081327)
Anyone with a wife has prime, regardless if they know about it or not

Oh cmon now...

Fronti3r 08-31-2023 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 17081327)
Anyone with a wife has prime, regardless if they know about it or not

100% true.

LoneWolf 08-31-2023 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17081297)
Really though....how is stealing $160 of streaming services per month any different than those people stealing $950 worth of shit in San Francisco?

People don't see the victim in stealing digital material because it isn't tangible. Streaming video or pirating music is seen as "sticking it to the man" and fighting the "evil corporations." Lot of people have the mentality that they deserve or have the right to these things because of "reasons."

It's the same with sharing accounts outside of your immediate family for Netflix, Prime, etc..

Mecca 08-31-2023 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 17081334)
People don't see the victim in stealing digital material because it isn't tangible. Streaming video or pirating music is seen as "sticking it to the man" and fighting the "evil corporations." Lot of people have the mentality that they deserve or have the right to these things because of "reasons."

It's the same with sharing accounts outside of your immediate family for Netflix, Prime, etc..

Companies don't help themselves though with constant rate increases without increasing content or quality content.

The NFL in no way shape or form would see an increase in profit if illegal streams didn't exist if anything it would probably hurt their product.

Bearcat 08-31-2023 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 17081334)
People don't see the victim in stealing digital material because it isn't tangible. Streaming video or pirating music is seen as "sticking it to the man" and fighting the "evil corporations." Lot of people have the mentality that they deserve or have the right to these things because of "reasons."

It's the same with sharing accounts outside of your immediate family for Netflix, Prime, etc..

I'm sure a lot of people simply don't care about stealing, like you alluded to... but I think a lot of people find the bullshit to be overly ridiculous and don't want to deal with it.

I didn't personally share music in college because "**** evil corporations", I did it because the industry was painfully slow to adjust from buying entire albums. Once I was able to buy a 99 cent song and the later use services like Pandora and Spotify, I did that instead.

I also don’t stream sports because I want to stick it to the NFL (however, also **** the NFL)... leagues still have ridiculously outdated blackout rules and on top of that, the solution to jacked up costs of cable was streaming services. Great! Oh, but now we'll force you to use 5 different streaming services and you still have to abide by our reerunedly outdated blackout policies... oh, and ESPN or other channels might just go away because contracts are up and **** the consumer.

I used to pay $90/month for tons of sports channels and loved it... but, now that I'm out of state and need Prime one weekend and YouTubeTV the next and Peacock the next.... yeah, I'll stream sometimes.

They can't have it both ways... either they work WITH consumers to make it easy to watch their stuff, or of course people will get pissed if they constantly feel ****ed over.

The NFL wants it both ways... "**** you, you're going to follow all these rules and pay all this money and will still be blacked out sometimes"... oh, why are you mad?

I WANT to give them money to watch every Chiefs game live.. **** them for jumping through so many hoops to make that possible.

Groves 08-31-2023 08:04 AM

I used to wonder what it was like inside the Chiefs/Chris Jones negotiation room.

This thread is probably a good representation of it.


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RealSNR 08-31-2023 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17081297)
Really though....how is stealing $160 of streaming services per month any different than those people stealing $950 worth of shit in San Francisco? This is against gods will. Be a good Christian. Thou shalt not steal. We teach or children right from wrong and to not steal. In Riyadh they cut your hand off for stealing. I think if caught stealing streaming services in USA you should lose the right to be able to have internet. You are effectively banned.


Have you ever asked anyone if they would download a car?

BleedingRed 08-31-2023 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 17081334)
People don't see the victim in stealing digital material because it isn't tangible. Streaming video or pirating music is seen as "sticking it to the man" and fighting the "evil corporations." Lot of people have the mentality that they deserve or have the right to these things because of "reasons."

It's the same with sharing accounts outside of your immediate family for Netflix, Prime, etc..

My retort,

Why the **** am I paying premium for digital content? Video games for instance cost $70 and use MY internet to deliver (something I pay for) oh did I mention they advertise in those games?

Same thing with NFL streaming, if I’m going to ****ing pay for a service and you’re still going to advertise shit to me without paying me to watch….

Also last time I checked the NFL received tax payer money.

Long rant don’t read

Mecca 08-31-2023 08:21 AM

In reality with the explosion of digital purchasing, video game prices should be lower.

ReynardMuldrake 08-31-2023 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 17080506)
Oh heck no, I have grandsons that are though, but they are 500 miles away.

In my defense, I did train service techs on VHS repair back in the day. :D

This you?
https://i.imgur.com/LsjIngg.gif

FlaChief58 08-31-2023 08:24 AM

I'll be the first to admit that I stream the games and have for years. Mainly because I'm cheap and, as others have said, I don't want or need a bunch of subscriptions to watch one game a week. If they do somehow manage to block all illegal streams, I still wouldn't buy all that crap. I'd simply do what I did before and support the local watering hole to watch the game. Either way, the NFL won't get my money. I buy enough in Chiefs gear, so I don't feel bad about it at all

Bl00dyBizkitz 08-31-2023 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17081346)
I'm sure a lot of people simply don't care about stealing, like you alluded to... but I think a lot of people find the bullshit to be overly ridiculous and don't want to deal with it.

I didn't personally share music in college because "**** evil corporations", I did it because the industry was painfully slow to adjust from buying entire albums. Once I was able to buy a 99 cent song and the later use services like Pandora and Spotify, I did that instead.

I also don’t stream sports because I want to stick it to the NFL (however, also **** the NFL)... leagues still have ridiculously outdated blackout rules and on top of that, the solution to jacked up costs of cable was streaming services. Great! Oh, but now we'll force you to use 5 different streaming services and you still have to abide by our reerunedly outdated blackout policies... oh, and ESPN or other channels might just go away because contracts are up and **** the consumer.

I used to pay $90/month for tons of sports channels and loved it... but, now that I'm out of state and need Prime one weekend and YouTubeTV the next and Peacock the next.... yeah, I'll stream sometimes.

They can't have it both ways... either they work WITH consumers to make it easy to watch their stuff, or of course people will get pissed if they constantly feel ****ed over.

The NFL wants it both ways... "**** you, you're going to follow all these rules and pay all this money and will still be blacked out sometimes"... oh, why are you mad?

I WANT to give them money to watch every Chiefs game live.. **** them for jumping through so many hoops to make that possible.

This is probably where I align the most.

Give me a SINGLE service, NOT MULTIPLE, where I can watch all my Chiefs games and I will pay it, no questions asked.

But of course, this isn't possible because its divided among multiple different providers who pay big bucks for those exclusive rights.

And before you say it, no, I will NOT buy cable. I do not watch TV for anything these days, all of those extra channels are entirely wasted on me. I'm only here for Football, thats it. I will not overpay for all these extra channels that I will not use, and likely STILL does not have access to all the games id like to watch.

There is not an easy solution, its mind numbing and infuriating going through the process of figuring out what services I need to pay for to watch the Chiefs. And I'm just not going to do it until there is one.

Bearcat 08-31-2023 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 17081360)
My retort,

Why the **** am I paying premium for digital content? Video games for instance cost $70 and use MY internet to deliver (something I pay for) oh did I mention they advertise in those games?

Same thing with NFL streaming, if I’m going to ****ing pay for a service and you’re still going to advertise shit to me without paying me to watch….

Also last time I checked the NFL received tax payer money.

Long rant don’t read

Yeah, games being 50% commercials on top of paying for all the services is reeruned... the NHL now has digital ads along the boards, took away playoff logos for more ads, now have ads on helmets, have added commercial breaks to OT and have extended the game by 10+ minutes in recent years with extra commercial breaks. All with worse blackout rules than the NFL (ESPN+ is a great value for out of towners though).

Spott 08-31-2023 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 17081360)
My retort,

Why the **** am I paying premium for digital content? Video games for instance cost $70 and use MY internet to deliver (something I pay for) oh did I mention they advertise in those games?

Same thing with NFL streaming, if I’m going to ****ing pay for a service and you’re still going to advertise shit to me without paying me to watch….

Also last time I checked the NFL received tax payer money.

Long rant don’t read

They should have just given people an option to add the Sunday ticket to their existing service, whether it’s Directv, AT&T tv, Comcast or whatever. If I’m only going to be allowed to stream NFL games on my phone, then there’s no way I’m going to pay for an extra streaming service when I’m only going to be watching Chiefs games. Hell, half of them are on prime time anyways so it’s only about 24-30 hours of content I’d be getting.

Bearcat 08-31-2023 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Spott (Post 17081385)
They should have just given people an option to add the Sunday ticket to their existing service, whether it’s Directv, AT&T tv, Comcast or whatever. If I’m only going to be allowed to stream NFL games on my phone, then there’s no way I’m going to pay for an extra streaming service when I’m only going to be watching Chiefs games. Hell, half of them are on prime time anyways so it’s only about 24-30 hours of content I’d be getting.

I looked at DirecTV when I moved to Arizona, but it specifically said "2 year contract required, but price is only guaranteed for one year".... what in the living **** is that?!? "We can rape you on price in the 2nd year!"

So, I went with Dish and routinely had channels missing due to contract issues (ESPN got the ax the weekend after I canceled LMAO), including using my parent's YT for an entire season whenever I wanted to watch SNF.... I mean, I'm willingly paying you for a service and you can't even provide the channels I want to watch? Of course I'm going to stream. I'm not buying an additional service and hoping I get to watch all the channels I signed up for on that one. :cuss:

DaFace 08-31-2023 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17081368)
In reality with the explosion of digital purchasing, video game prices should be lower.

Video game prices seem pretty reasonable to me, honestly. Or at least they're right in line with historical inflation-adjusted prices over the past couple of decades. The costs to manufacture and distribute physical discs are minimal compared to development costs, so the fact that they're digital doesn't really matter.

FloridaMan88 08-31-2023 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 17081334)
It's the same with sharing accounts outside of your immediate family for Netflix, Prime, etc..

Maybe Netflix, YouTube, etc. can create more flexible/customizable streaming packages to mitigate the incentive to “illegally” stream/password share.

For example, I finally gave in and purchased a Netflix subscription to watch Quarterback.

As I suspected, there is nothing else on Netflix worth watching. It’s a piece of shit service with garbage content.

Give customers the option to purchase individual shows… the pay per view model… rather than having to purchase a full subscription.

Also YouTube with NFL Sunday Ticket… I am paying $400+ for an entire season to watch out of market Chiefs games, when there is a high likelihood I’ll only need it for one or two games since the Chiefs will be on national TV frequently.

Let customers purchase individual games rather than having to pay for an entire season.

DaFace 08-31-2023 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 17081400)
Maybe Netflix, YouTube, etc. can create more flexible/customizable streaming packages to mitigate the incentive to “illegally” stream/password share.

For example, I finally gave in and purchased a Netflix subscription to watch Quarterback.

As I suspected, there is nothing else on Netflix worth watching. It’s a piece of shit service with garbage content.

Give customers the option to purchase individual shows… the pay per view model… rather than having to purchase a full subscription.

Also YouTube with NFL Sunday Ticket… I am paying $400+ for an entire season to watch out of market Chiefs games, when there is a high likelihood I’ll only need it for one or two games since the Chiefs will be on national TV frequently.

Let customers purchase individual games rather than having to pay for an entire season.

People always say that (it was the same argument for breaking up cable subscriptions in favor of being able to purchase individual channels). Then it happened, and people were surprised that a CBS or NBC subscription was $5-$10.

It'd be the same deal if they sold individual games. They'd probably charge $40-$50 per game if they did it that way, and everyone would gripe that the price is too high.

That's why subscriptions work - you get generous per-unit pricing in exchange for an ongoing commitment.

Bearcat 08-31-2023 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 17081400)
Maybe Netflix, YouTube, etc. can create more flexible/customizable streaming packages to mitigate the incentive to “illegally” stream/password share.

For example, I finally gave in and purchased a Netflix subscription to watch Quarterback.

As I suspected, there is nothing else on Netflix worth watching. It’s a piece of shit service with garbage content.

Give customers the option to purchase individual shows… the pay per view model… rather than having to purchase a full subscription.

Also YouTube with NFL Sunday Ticket… I am paying $400+ for an entire season to watch out of market Chiefs games, when there is a high likelihood I’ll only need it for one or two games since the Chiefs will be on national TV frequently.

Let customers purchase individual games rather than having to pay for an entire season.

Isn't Netflix a monthly/no commitment sign up for like $6 or $15 depending on ads?

If you have to sign up an entire year for one show, yeah that would suck... but one or two bucks per episode seems reasonable for a one month subscription.

The NFL is mostly garbage, so I'd love a team option like the NHL used to do, get all the Chiefs games for a reasonable rate.

Bearcat 08-31-2023 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 17081411)
People always say that (it was the same argument for breaking up cable subscriptions in favor of being able to purchase individual channels). Then it happened, and people were surprised that a CBS or NBC subscription was $5-$10.

It'd be the same deal if they sold individual games. They'd probably charge $40-$50 per game if they did it that way, and everyone would gripe that the price is too high.

That's why subscriptions work - you get generous per-unit pricing in exchange for an ongoing commitment.

Yeah, I personally like the $5-10/per, but then you take sports and divide it up for the sole purpose of adding people to each platform... definitely a "feature" of un-bubdling that's really unfortunate for sports fans and those who don't watch sports but will have Prime $$ increase anyway.

BWillie 08-31-2023 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17081336)
Companies don't help themselves though with constant rate increases without increasing content or quality content.

The NFL in no way shape or form would see an increase in profit if illegal streams didn't exist if anything it would probably hurt their product.

Walgreens charges too much for shampoo.

I should be able to steal it.

DaFace 08-31-2023 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17081424)
Walgreens charges too much for shampoo.

I should be able to steal it.

You still haven't answered why you think it's OK for your outlaw family to steal from DirecTV. They should be in jail.

BigRedChief 08-31-2023 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 17081400)
As I suspected, there is nothing else on Netflix worth watching. It’s a piece of shit service with garbage content.

239 million paid subscribers says your opinion of their content is an outlier.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17081412)
The NFL is mostly garbage, so I'd love a team option like the NHL used to do, get all the Chiefs games for a reasonable rate.

I have the MLB package for only the STL Cardinals. Had it for several years. $99 a year. 162 games.

Bearcat 08-31-2023 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17081424)
Walgreens charges too much for shampoo.

I should be able to steal it.

You're being reeruned again..

BWillie 08-31-2023 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 17081429)
You still haven't answered why you think it's OK for your outlaw family to steal from DirecTV. They should be in jail.

Usually in TOS you can actually share an account with x amount of people.

RunKC 08-31-2023 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17081368)
In reality with the explosion of digital purchasing, video game prices should be lower.

Everything costs more. Everything.

It sucks. It's like we are in a giant focus group to be price gouged by every single company there is.

The Franchise 08-31-2023 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17081468)
Everything costs more. Everything.

It sucks. It's like we are in a giant focus group to be price gouged by every single company there is.

Sony just increased Playstation Plus by almost 30% for each tier....with no upgrade in service.

BWillie 08-31-2023 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17081468)
Everything costs more. Everything.

It sucks. It's like we are in a giant focus group to be price gouged by every single company there is.

The more people that steal streaming the higher prices to paying customers. They have to subsidize. Just like health care. One reason its so high is because a large part of the population get care without ever intending to pay for it.

Something needs to be done. The single sub 30 crowd basically just doesnt pay for anything in the streaming community. They just steal it and go on Reddit bragging about it.

DaFace 08-31-2023 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17081468)
Everything costs more. Everything.

It sucks. It's like we are in a giant focus group to be price gouged by every single company there is.

This is basically the definition of capitalism.

BleedingRed 08-31-2023 09:44 AM

Here’s the real kicker,

If I purchase a service or a product you SHOULDNT be allowed to advertise other products and services. Specifically video games, micro transactions should be completely banned.

And as for streaming…. I’m not breaking the law, I’m watching the guy who is breaking the laws stream.

I’m just documenting HIS crime if anything

BWillie 08-31-2023 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 17081482)
This is basically the definition of capitalism.

If 90% of the population stole their car but you didnt. Your Nissan Altima would cost three hundred thousand dollars. Company has to get paid somehow. Same thing happens in the insurance world even though its not theft. States force companies with a large PIF (policies in force) to insure certain unprofitable customers at the expense of the others. For every action there is a reaction.

BWillie 08-31-2023 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 17081483)
Here’s the real kicker,

If I purchase a service or a product you SHOULDNT be allowed to advertise other products and services. Specifically video games, micro transactions should be completely banned.

And as for streaming…. I’m not breaking the law, I’m watching the guy who is breaking the laws stream.

I’m just documenting HIS crime if anythin
g

LMAO

Thats actually a pretty good rebuttal.

mr. tegu 08-31-2023 09:48 AM

I think ppv individual games is a terrible idea for consumers and leagues. First, you just know bigger games will cost more than Colts vs Cardinals. Also, who wants to sit down and decide to watch a game based on how much value they will get for that individual game?

“I want to watch the second half but I won’t be available for the first two hours so I guess I just won’t buy it. I’ll just get the steam when I’m available later.”

“I’ve got an hour to kill until I need to do something so I’ll sit and watch a few games. Oh but I have to pay for each game as if I’m watching both of the games all the way through? I’ll just stream until I have to leave.”

For the league it would be far too unpredictable on revenue and ultimately would cost them more money as people really would feel no choice but to stream in many cases where they just can’t commit to watching a whole game.

Or they literally have to decide at each moment they sit down to watch a whole game to click the option to pay for the game or watch it free on a stream. It would also undoubtedly cost the consumer more money if they watch any significant amount of games.

DJJasonp 08-31-2023 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 17081483)
Here’s the real kicker,

If I purchase a service or a product you SHOULDNT be allowed to advertise other products and services. Specifically video games, micro transactions should be completely banned.

And as for streaming…. I’m not breaking the law, I’m watching the guy who is breaking the laws stream.

I’m just documenting HIS crime if anything

bingo. It's out there for public consumption.

If you think about it, how is that any different than my neighbors watching my big screen over the fence?

Should the NFL go after my neighbors for watching a broadcast without permission?

AussieChiefsFan 08-31-2023 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17081489)
If 90% of the population stole their car but you didnt. Your Nissan Altima would cost three hundred thousand dollars. Company has to get paid somehow. Same thing happens in the insurance world even though its not theft. States force companies with a large PIF (policies in force) to insure certain unprofitable customers at the expense of the others. For every action there is a reaction.

Comparing a televised product to a physical product doesn't make sense. The comparison would be if the only way to watch the game was to buy a ticket and 90% of people snuck in for free.

BleedingRed 08-31-2023 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJJasonp (Post 17081504)
bingo. It's out there for public consumption.

If you think about it, how is that any different than my neighbors watching my big screen over the fence?

Should the NFL go after my neighbors for watching a broadcast without permission?

Right?

If I’m on one of those streaming website I’m not ACTUALLY breaking any laws. I’m merely watching OTHERS break the law. I just so happen to see the Chiefs play in HD


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