If I had the first pick I'd take Drake Maye without hesitation. Caleb Williams would be off my board. He's a narcissist that can't get enough of himself to think he deserves anything without proving himself.

Bradford, Mayfield, Kyler. He's the next OU QB to go 1st overall and bust

Exactly. Hopefully he isn't using Messi as the example because the two are in no way similar.

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It was Tom Brady's ownership of the Raiders. There was speculation that he might play again, but he would have to give up his share of the Raiders. Players can't be owners.

There ya go :thumb:

He's already proving himself to be a dumbass. Only the Broncos would agree to something like that.

Just hypothetically, how could a team even give a player a stake without violating the rookie contract structures, or the team's salary cap in general? As something of value being given to the player it's certainly a kind of compensation.

So what happens if the team wants to get rid of him? Or if he wants to go to another team that gives him more money?

Heard that as of late yesterday he's now demanding that the team that drafts him not have any offensive linemen over 5'10" so that he can see his receivers downfield.

:whip: well played sir.

Yeah, the character element is where Caleb falls way short of Mahomes. You can have all the talent in the world, but humility is an important aspect of all sports…especially a team sport.

This will never happen. It sets a precedent and after 20-30 drafts the majority owners would be minority owners.

Who went on their first job interview after college and asked for a percentage of the company? I am pretty sure you would be laughed out of the building.

It will never happen because this report is bullshit and the NFL already voted it down.

Here's a good summary:



This is why I unfollowed Dov Kleiman. I mean this is a twice-regurgitated story that originated with FLORIO????

Just delete this thread.

We must hate him because the Mahomes hate isn't working to a satisfying amount

Look, I totally get (and agree) how off putting his arrogance is, and I don't have a huge problem with it being the difference between him and Maye for somebody, but off your board entirely?

Now you're just being silly.

I wouldn't be excited to take Williams because of his size for one thing.

Is he for sure even 6 foot tall/

Based on my very unofficial eye test, my prediction is that at the combine (unless he deems the combine to be beneath such a supreme being such as himself) he’ll come in somewhere between 5’11” and 6’.

Not only is he not nearly as talented as Mahomes, but Patrick would never be so stupid and self-centered.

The guy is starting to remind me of Leon, from the old bud commercials.





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A league wide % negotiated by the players union could be interesting at some point. Could provide some stability to retired players, which has been a black spot on the league for years. Maybe use this to balance states with low taxes like FL and TX, the % owned by players in those states would be less. Otherwise, contract salaries will get out of control.

Say 10% of the team is owned by the players and ex-players based on an algorithm designed around how often you played and the impact you made for the franchise. As % get smaller for the players over the years, the value of the franchises increase balancing the scale some, until eventually the players union negotiates a bigger stake.

The owners would never go for that. They would tell the NFLPA to start their own league and build their own stadiums. If the players strike it’s simply the next man up. After a few months of no game checks come fall, 90% of the players would be broke and cross the picket line.

I agree that this is a BS story.

And you know, what happens if he sucks and/or gets traded? You can't play for one team and have an ownership stake in another.

It's one of the single dumbest things I've ever heard from.an athlete, and that is one gigantic list of dumb things.

They are contractors. They know the score when they sign up.

Lol. Astute.

Who cares what he is demanding. NFL does not allow an active player to be involved in NFL team ownership so this means nothing.

If he is really as good as hyped (unlikely) then he would “own” teams like how Mahomes owns the AFC West teams… through on the field domination.

Can this guy just get in the league so it can shit him out and we can go to the next guy on the list that will allegedly turn into the next Patrick Mahomes?

This. It's non-starter from the get-go. The only thing Caleb's accomplished by saying this, is that he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

He looks good but I'm not buying the hype. He's a better version of Justin Fields except Fields is better at running and Williams has more arm talent.

As a GM, I wouldn't draft Caleb Williams if there was any other top 10 talent at QB available. For me, it's actually Bryce Young and Kyle Murray, and to some extent Baker Mayfield, that would keep me from pulling the trigger on Williams.

If I am drafting a QB at 1.1, he has to be a minimum of 6'2" and weigh around 225 pounds. I don't care how fast he is or how great he played in college. He has to have an NFL body to start, and then I would put more weight in our individual workouts with each QB instead of in how their team looked and their individual stats from college.

So, Williams is really just below those minimums, and as defenders get bigger and faster, I just wouldn't want to have a smaller QB.

I could possibly make an exception to these minimums, if the QB had at least one trait that is Elite level. Like, if the QB had an arm like Mahomes or Richardson, or was as fast as Tyreek Hill, etc.

I think the Drew Breeses of this world are a thing of the past. Maybe there will be good QBs that are small, but I don't think there are going to be many, if any, small QBs who become Elite in this league.

I always thought the Chiefs would do this for Mahomes. Of course I thought he would dump Brittany for Clark's daughter too...

Yeah he's 5'10 or 5'11 at most. Great innovator but looks like running a normal system without the backyard stuff might be a challenge.

Presented without comment. Oh and he's getting outplayed at home by an Utah QB. He has 203 passing yards and no TD passes vs #14 Utah midway through the 4th quarter.

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That was a great scramble and throw.

And then he muffs it.

Maye hasn't looked great either.

This QB class might be a little overrated.

I think Marvin Harrison Jr. is the real #1 overall player in this draft.

The son of Marvin Harrison is going to be the real deal and year 1 ready. His father been teaching him the way his whole life.

If I landed the #1 overall pick I'd take Williams for the potential but I sure as **** wouldn't offer some RG3 haul for him.

Maybe got ****ed tonight on that last play by his OL but yeah he's got work to do.

I agree that Marvin Harrison's kid is the best player. The LT for Penn State looks incredible too

So I was thinking about it watching the game, and I’m on wax about being out on Caleb Williams, but I’m not sure you don’t take him anyway if you’re a GM. Maybe this year is different with Pennix Maye and Nix but if you’re the Bears and you have #1 and #2 I think you take Williams and Harrison and shoot your shot.

I’ll stand by my previous assessment and I’ll eat the crow if he’s good but as a GM, I think you do it.

Undersized jack ass.

If you take it him and are wrong it’s Johnny football with less warning signs. If you’re right you’re a ****ing hero forever. As a fan I’d rather my Franchise swing and miss than try to bunt their way out of a hole.

This guy's draft stock has to be falling faster than the want for Kyler Murray did in AZ.

nah, he'll still go number 1. GM's cant pass on him. They do and it works out it makes them a genius. Fails, its career over. They will swing for the fences.

Right, and if May or Pennix become Mitch Trubisky, and Williams takes off, you're probably done as a GM.

Utah has full ownership of Caleb Williams

I will say this about Caleb, just like Trevor Lawrence, many people act like it's blasphemy to criticize him as a prospect.

They did it's just in a different professional sport called the MLB.:LOL:

Caleb, How many of your teammates went to your birthday party?

Just realized he is not gonna be in the CFB playoffs as a starter. It's not like he was Mahomes and played in Siberia with barely any talent.

Jordan Addison, Tui Tuipulotu, Mekhi Blackmon and Andrew Vorhees were all top 100 talents in the last draft and he's got quite a few this year as well.

It's impossible to be Patrick Mahomes. He just needs to focus on being a good QB for now

Agreed. This is what happens when our culture and society become more spiritually idolatrous and sacrifice their souls to their gods as time goes on.

But this whole Caleb is the messiah crap and can do no wrong, please, you are watching "pride comes before a fall" right before your very eyes. And if I am a GM what I pay attention to more than anything are these qualities in this order 'WHEN' looking at the QB position:

1. Character - show me you are a leader of men and love them, show me you know how to handle adversity on and off the field. Show me that the NFL game is "not all about YOU and your career" but about "your team and winning as a team" thus you put your teammates FIRST. Bottom line - Show me HUMILITY!

2. Student of the Game - Show me you love the game so much you "want to be the smartest guy on the field" in any football offensive situation and 95% of the time(nobody's perfect) make the "right decisions".

3. Physically play the game - Show me you can make all the throws 'accurately', show me you have quick feet in the pocket to avoid the rush in the pocket without being overly athletic. Show me you know how to exhaust all WR options before taking off 'if possible'.

Don't know if you guys saw this last night after the game, but you saw the camera on Caleb sulking, feeling sorry for himself just sitting there on the bench. NOT GOOD!! Here a walk on back up QB who was working at Lowe's just a few months earlier who worked his ass off just to be the backup just beat the Goliath of college QBs in Williams!! Do you think IF hypothetically speaking if Barnes beat Mahomes that Pat would just sit there and just selfishly sulk ???????

NO WAY !!! Pat would've have been the first on the field to shake Barnes's hand and congratulate him as much as Pat hates losing. Pat is TOTAL CLASS and has respect for successful oppositional warrior play because this is just another sign of Pat's "LOVE FOR THE GAME".

Don't care if you can throw the ball out of the stadium with accuracy or scramble/run better than most RBs; if you don't love the game more than yourself(humility and student of the game) then it's a pass for me.

The sports media, public and GMs are always chasing the new shiny object making it their god until the shine wears off and for some the shine wears off quicker than others.

Pat passes not only all of the top 3 qualities in a QB with flying colors and then some for me, HE LIVES THEM !!! Caleb stated that he can do everything Pat can.(my paraphrase).

REALLY ????:rolleyes:

Until Caleb embraces the 1st and 2nd qualities he will have a very RUDE AWAKENING in the NFL for sure. College QBing vs NFL QBing is the difference between MEN and boys. Sure, it is a wait and see situation but when you have CAM II written all over your ego, it is a EASY PASS for me.:shrug:

Question for you:

Alex Smith had those three qualities in spades. Maybe #3 less so than others, but he absolutely possessed average to above average arm strength, and definitely made up for it with his size and scrambling ability.

Is there something else out there that we can point to and say, "Well, that's why Mahomes is Mahomes and Alex is Alex"

Not as stupid as that meme. Most mocks have moved him out of the #1 overall position. If him and his representative are this dumb now it will likely only get worse in interviews.

There isn't a QB outside of Mahomes that CP thinks is good tho

Uncanny quick instinct after the snap to accurately read the situation and use his extreme talented throwing and scrambling abilities with the confidence and courage to always play big when needed. Pat knows the greatness that lives within him and is not afraid to be great. Alex rarely played big if ever always going the conservative route and could have played bigger IMO but then maybe he knew his limits to your point.

He’s not even coming out this draft.

I think owners, and fans, need to stop killing GMs who get the franchise QB thing wrong.

I say this because the fear of either tying yourself to a mega bust, or just getting an OK guy when the guy you passed on became elite, keeps GMs from taking chances, and really hurts your franchise more than getting it wrong.

Maybe it's the best GM for your team, but he takes McCoy, and two picks later Mahomes gets picked and becomes a legend. A failure like that would probably lead to a new GM and new coach.

That sets a franchise back more than just missing on a pick. Shoot, GMs should get a pass when they miss on a franchise guy, at least the first couple of times.

I would rather swing and whiff a couple of years in a row, and then find Mahomes, than try once, miss, and then go 30+ years before trying again.

Having said that, Williams may be a success in the NFL, but I wouldn't draft him. Well, if I earned the number one pick because my team lost 16 games, then I would NOT draft him. But, if I should be drafting in the high twenties but happen to have the number one pick from previous trades, I might take a chance.

Mahomes would never do this shit lmao

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They ****ing lost that game? My god man. USC has unreal talent.

Lincoln Riley doesn't care about D at all. Like less than Leach did.

BINGO !!

I saw this as well. If I am an NFL GM and see this "immature manure" NO WAY !!!! I don't think he realizes just how bad this looks for 'soooooo many different reasons' but most of all displays "it still is all about me".

Lots of all time great QBs cry after losses!

Like this guy!

https://www.gatorcountry.com/wp-cont...s-2-708277.jpg

Kleiman is one of the biggest dipshits on Twitter. All he does is post other people's opinions. Never had an original thought.

You honestly thought we would do that? :rolleyes:

Also, this is completely illegal. Can't play in the NFL and have any type ownership of a team. This was probably a bullshit report.

This Caleb kid gives out some homoerectus feminine vibes. Biggest red flag for me was him painting his nails. And then this shit?
Dawg, I want a leader of men to be in charge of my team. Not some girly boy with queerish tendencies.

He paints his nails with trash talk against Utah and then promptly gets curb stomped by them.

FYI Caleb Williams has 30 fumbles in 31 college starts. Time to measure those girly hands

Good luck with this act in the NFL…

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This is the guy the donks NEED to draft.

Never been a better fit

Damn SNR already got the Tebow pic up lololol

There was a better fit

Remember Cam's outfits before and after games???

He didn't go crying to mama though!!;)

This guy has drama queen written all over him, PERIOD !! Tank Broncos Tank !!!!

Well after this performance in his mama's arms feeling sorry for himself AGAIN, he would be wise to stay another year to 'emotionally grow up' more than anything to show GM front offices he has grown up a bit, at least to avoid "running to mommy when the big kids pick on him".:D

Dis is getting good

I don't really like Williams, but only because he plays for USC and has way too much hype.

Having said that, I know this is hard to comprehend sometimes, but he is just a kid. When we were that age every one of us did stupid shit, and acted in ways that make us cringe now.

Even if he is getting paid, he isn't a pro athlete yet, so to me he is just a kid and deserves some slack.

This ain't a great QB class despite what some think.
Caleb obviously enough said about him. He doesn't pass the manhood test.
I sure as **** wouldn't draft a QB prospect with the last name Penix. A poor man's Lamar Jackson. And Drake Maye kinda sucks.