Whatever, not buying it, but again, 28 points to the Vikings. What's the excuse?

Yeah. 7 snaps against the Dolphins. I don't know if he's injured, it's pitch count shit, or they've just genuinely given up on him, but personally think for the offense to be consistently elite again it's going to need his skill set in particular.

It should but we've seen Mahomes put up pedestrian numbers the last two weeks because nobody can get open.

Many of us have realized that this isn't Marty S. or Dick V. or any other previous regime. Andy and Patrick and this current Chiefs organization know how to get things right. We have learned not to doubt this team. And we are optimistic about them. Yet, you are still the same glass half empty person you've always been.

Sack percentage:

1. Mahomes

20. Hurts

key!

the eagles lost to the jets man

the frickin' jets

they barely handled the commies TWICE

THE PATS gave them a game

if you're scared of this team, at arrowhead on primetime, turn in your ****ing fan card and your testicles AND your dick

Chiefs O is going to be different after the bye. The only thing that makes sense with the O so far is that Andy was doing enough to win but also a bunch of 'experimenting' to see what's going to work well with these players.

Eagles will also be coming off a bye, that seems odd and somewhat rare. Both teams will have two full weeks to prep and heal for this game.

I think we could be looking at a game of the year candidate.

Winnable game for the Chiefs...As far as the offense this is the do or die game for Moore. He couldn't catch a pass last week without tripping over himself and he ran the wrong route at least once. If he's as hopeless as he was this past week than I see no point in the Chiefs wasting a roster spot...Toney flashed on that slant play. They need to quite this bullshit and get him the ball in open space. And there will be a plethora of wide open gaps in that mediocre eagles secondary. Gray needs to be put to work too.

And I expect the Chiefs defense to be thoroughly tested by the Eagles. AJ Brown is one of the most physical receivers in the league so Mcduffie is going to have to be ready for war. Chief's can't let Hurts escape the pocket. Force him to make checkdown throws because on average he's not an accurate QB.

If Mahomes and Co come out ready to play they could win by two scores. Eagles have severe problems with their defense and their offense can be countered.

The offseason additions on defense are going to be the deciding factor here.

Omenihu and Tranquill will be problems for Philly.

Tranquill is the perfect Hurts killer.

I think these things and then the NFL kindly slaps me in the back of the head for believing we can have nice things, then throws a flag for my head being in the way.

Only thing that concerns me about this game is Philly's front and how long Mahomes has been holding the ball.

If 15 gets the ball out quick and/or the OL holds up, we're good.

If he gets the ball out quick we see the first drive against Miami for a whole game. Sign me the **** up!

No shit, that would be a welcome sight.

Hope it ends on an Eagles defensive holding call again so I can see some more tears.

Aw, c'mon, I couldn't resist when it crossed my mind. DC combat has its own absurdities.

Hey I agree with Direkshun! Swift is third in rushing yards. We all know the Eagles OL is elite. We also know they have one of the best running threat QB's in football.

Trenches will be hard work for us. Sweat is on pace for a double-digit sack season, Reddick is on pace for another great rushing year and Carter looks like the next great DT in the making as a rookie.

Still think we win but this will be one of the toughest games of the season.

That's fair. Hope you're right.

That's always the thing with football, all you have are small sample sizes.

Turnovers sure didn't help. I just didn't like how they ran on us.

If you're not buying the things I have to say than I don't know if you'll buy any explanation for the Eagles/Vikings game that you will buy.

Totally agree.

It's time to ramp up Toney. And if he dies, he dies.

You've definitely learned not how to doubt them, I'll give y'all that.

Those instincts of mine haven't gone anywhere, though.

Which is fine. I'm down for some football discussion and I like having the back and forth, except when it's toxic.

I haven't watched much Eagles this year, but I saw a ton of the Eagles last year.

And, man. No team in the NFL played that Hurts play-action better than KC. Bolton had it read correctly 100% of the time in the Super Bowl.

What's been super shocking to me is that Tranquill, these past two games, is doing everything Bolton does. He doesn't go downhill as decisively, but he does play with better depth.

Just an absolutely absurd free agency addition by Veach. Tranquill has allowed the defense to do everything it was doing under Bolton without skipping a beat.

How many tush pushes will we see?

Luckily, PHI isn't playing very well on either side of the ball. Their OFF DVOA=+13.4%, good enough for just 7th, and defensively they're really underperforming, with a DEF DVOA of just +3.7%, a bottom-of-the-middle tier 21st in the league, and just two spots better than MIA's crappy defense. that should help the cause quite a bit.


It also is fortunate that both Hurts and Goedert are injured, Particularly Goedert, who broke his arm or something and won't be available at all.


But PHI has the ability to just run the ball if they want to, and they will just hand off 40+ times if it's working. I would be concerned that they might try something like that, but I have a feeling that Siriani has something to prove, and won't lean on their run game like that against KC, probably to his ultimate detriment.


If they do, well, I guess we'll find out how good our run defense plays without Bolton.

LMAO

So you have excuses for every single example of the Eagles defense not being some juggernaut that the Chiefs can't manage to score against?

You're probably right. I'm not buying all of your excuses. Sorry.

I’m starting to think they are load managing Toney.

Reid needs him for the playoffs and that’s when the isolation/focal plays going to Skyy switch.


So we’re going to have to win with defense, running the ball and Mahomes managing the game till then.

Seriously doubt that. They had high hopes for him before the season started. He simply hasn't earned the snaps.

I don't know why and Reid will never bash a player publicly so who knows... He did great in limited snaps last game though so maybe we will see him more against the Birds

Who actually has earned snaps? Rice and maybe Watson? Going into the season the Chiefs made it clear they believed Toney had the most potential upside of this current room and yet his workload has diminished on a weekly basis for seemingly no reason. He's far from the only WR struggling and yet he seems to have had his workload taken away at a disproportionate rate.

I have been saying since early in the season that I think that Tranquill signing will prove to be the best one for the Chiefs. I was hoping he would be playing and complementing Bolton, not playing in place of him. Bolton is awesome and I'll be glad when he is able to come back healthy but, Tranquill has filled in nicely.

Toney hasn’t played earned snaps but Skyy has?!

What has MVS done to earn snaps other than be the highest paid WR on our roster?

Man, I want to see the Chiefs embrace the "zipper" technique (go to 11:39) and see how they hold up.

We don't quite have the bodies along the DL to fully stand up to the tush push, I don't think. Almost all of our DTs are 3-techs.

But I'd love to see it executed.

I just don't think Sirianni is a particularly great coach.

I think he's fine, I don't think he's a disaster or anything. But Reid/Bienemy/Spags ran circles around his entire coaching staff in the Super Bowl. The only reason the Eagles kept that close is because Hurts became Superman.

So I do think it would be a problem for the Chiefs if the Eagles just tried to run on us all game. It just wouldn't remotely surprise me if they opted to keep airing it out against a Chiefs defense built for offenses who air it out.

The Chiefs just put the clamps on the best WR combo in the league. Brown/Smith is not far behind that, but the Chiefs D is going to put clamps on them, too.

S'alright.

I think they're load managing Toney as well. I'm ready for them to end it and just put the guy out there.

Would love for you to be right on this.

Sirianni has the most punchable face in the world. The entire god damn world. I can't stand the guy.

Talk about being born on third base, in terms of coaching. Yeah, he goes for alot of fourth downs.

He's had a great roster and has a great GM.

**** him.

Most overrated coach in the league?

Gotta be Sirianni, right? Guy is a fine coach, like he's not terrible. But you're dead right, the Eagles are about as coach-proof as you can make a team.

The guy brought in Fangio for the Super Bowl. That's just not something you do if you're confident you have the staff to solve any opponent's scheme.

Chiefs are 4th in yards per play and 3rd in opponents' yards per play. Seems pretty balanced to me.

Most of the offensive issues are easily correctable. Cut out the unforced errors and focus drops. Stop calling idiotic plays on 3rd and a foot. Unleash Rice and Toney.

Got a feeling Andy's gonna have a little something special prepared for his old team.

chiefs went from a total shit offensive performance to a good half

put two good halves together fam!!!!!!!!

Eh, I can’t stand Sirianni but by now he’s proven the dude can flat out coach. Eagles have talent but they’re also a very well coached team.

Chiefs offense now 15th in the NFL

NFL Team Points per Play

So no, we are not a balanced team. Our offense is no longer elite.
1 Miami 0.515 0.346 0.241 0.662 0.383 0.397
2 San Francisco 0.452 0.311 0.304 0.488 0.412 0.424
3 Buffalo 0.425 0.354 0.327 0.482 0.377 0.426
4 Dallas 0.419 0.443 0.329 0.516 0.352 0.410
5 Baltimore 0.411 0.558 0.493 0.458 0.373 0.328
6 Philadelphia 0.408 0.513 0.475 0.472 0.359 0.435
7 Indianapolis 0.391 0.482 0.474 0.410 0.368 0.262
8 LA Chargers 0.382 0.342 0.462 0.396 0.363 0.344
9 Denver 0.380 0.302 0.369 0.380 0.378 0.266
10 Seattle 0.368 0.294 0.064 0.409 0.328 0.388
11 Houston 0.365 0.404 0.629 0.404 0.322 0.285
12 Jacksonville 0.363 0.481 0.308 0.323 0.387 0.379
13 Detroit 0.362 0.234 0.321 0.442 0.285 0.415
14 Minnesota 0.361 0.370 0.425 0.302 0.416 0.380
15 Kansas City 0.360 0.345 0.375 0.410 0.316 0.456
16 Green Bay 0.334 0.246 0.294 0.268 0.409 0.352
17 Chicago 0.332 0.306 0.266 0.332 0.331 0.328
18 Washington 0.326 0.272 0.260 0.295 0.350

And tied for second in W/L record. What’s your point?

How the team wins is more important!

I was responding to someone that said we are a balanced team.

Don’t let the 2000 Ravens know that their SB is not legitimate because they didn’t have a Top 5 offense. Miami is 0-3 against teams with winning records, but hey have you seen? They are #1 in offense!

They are balanced. It’s not like they have the #1 defense and #32 offense.

We don't have the 2000 Ravens defense.

We also don’t have their offense.

They didn't need an offense because the 2000 Ravens D was an all-time great defense.

It's 2023. Different league now too.

It is a different league. Thank goodness our offense is not #32. This defense in this current day and age has held 6 of the top 14 offenses based on your chart to 21 points or less. This might not be the 2000 Ravens defense, but it's clearly an elite unit which paired with this offense makes this team very hard to beat. They were a dropped pass from being 8-1.

Yes, it's a very good defense. Hopefully we don't squander it because our offense with Mahomes/Reid is no longer elite as they were in both years we won the SB.

Why would they squander it? Again they are a dropped pass from being 8-1. The offense doesn't have to score 40 a game to win. There is not a HC or QB that I have more confidence in a must win game than the ones we have. Remember that a lot of Brady's SBs came with him having a good, but not great offense, but an excellent defense.

I feel the same way I felt against Miami. We need to play our best game but if we do we match up well against them. I think it’s actually a stellar matchup which is why the Super Bowl was so exciting. i still think the true measuring stick is cincy.

The only thing that gives me pause is Denver. That feels like a similar situation where we’ve gotta win that one through the passing game and we just didn’t. But I think our performance vs LAC and Miami can win for us vs Philly

You can't punt punt punt in playoff games.

I'm hoping that Toney is the guy and they are holding him back for when the big games start.

Right now none of our other WR's are making enough plays or taking pressure off Kelce.

If anyone can get it together, it is Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes.

Have a little faith.

There is no bigger Reid or Mahomes fan than me.

But we need 3 guys.

I'm thinking by playoffs it looks like this:

Kelce
Toney
Rice

Sure you can as long as you have an elite defense. Now I agree that we need someone to take some of the pressure off Kelce, but again we are in the top 50% of offenses in the league right now, not #32.

I think Philly on offense in a lot of ways is like ours. They haven’t found their identity yet. It really has been lukewarm. They just find ways to win games by doing just enough on both ends. I don’t think it’s nearly the defensive test we’re making it to be. We can hold them to something manageable for our offense to win. I don’t think we shut them out. Like our offense they can still claw their way to just enough production.

It’s really up to our passing offense to do just enough to win this. It doesn’t have to be 30 points. But we’ve gotta be effective enough for a full 4 quarters

Maybe. I would have thought so by now. I don't really understand what they're doing with Toney at all. I'm pretty confused. If he's hurt, why are they playing him at all? If he's not, why aren't they utilizing him as an actual WR that they had previously expected to be a primary weapon?

I don't understand.

KC isn't shutting out Philly, but they do have a good offense. Thankfully I think KC will be better prepared for them defensively. I don't see Hurts having an all world performance vs this team like they did in the SB. Plus with two weeks for Reid/Mahomes to prepare I think they will be more crisp on offense.

I think 24 gets it done, as long as the offense doesn't turn the ball over a bunch.

I think its perfectly fair to consider it... off putting

But it also shows just how good the defense has been, they've clearly been pulling their weight and then some to get us the record we currently hold

I think he's being kept in bubble wrap till the playoffs.

Because talent wise there is zero reason ever to draw up plays getting Skyy Moore open and not Toney.

The way I see it we have an offense that’s been inconsistent. But the eagles have a hole in their pass defense (although outstanding vs the run).

Eagles have inconsistency with their offense and they’re excellent running the ball, but our defense is solid vs the pass or run. The defense will get the job done. The window is right there for our offense to do just enough and I think mistake free football regardless of our inconsistencies is enough to get the job done

But it also shows how spoiled that we as fans have been. KC's offense is still #15, but because it's not #1-#3 we think it's horrid. Can they be better? Sure. If they start cleaning up a lot of mental errors they will improve. We have a SB caliber defense and it's been a very long time since we have been able to say that.

Look at Cincinnati. They haven't won 3 out of 4 against KC because they won shootouts. Their defense held an explosive KC in check while doing just enough on offense to win. KC might have to ride that model this year. That's exactly the type of win we got yesterday over Miami.

I hope the offense turns the corner and believe they will with Andy/Pat, but I am prepared for it to not happen and KC will have to win ugly.

A team with the best QB (ever, IMO) the best play caller, and the best TE should not be 15th EVER.

That means something went wrong.

I do think we will be better but we need to play like a top 5 offense in the playoffs to win it all. That's just how the league works now.

Win games and keep players healthy is what I say.

Toney runs like a maniac with the ball, if he is going to take on 3-4 tackles on every touch, limit his touches to keep him healthy and keep his stats low so he might stay without having to exercise fifth year option. Fifth year option for a WR will be a big number.

Well sure, but you can't act all surprised when people get a lil anxious going from year after year of top 3... to merely average on offense

What they're missing is, RELAX this defense is capable of picking up the slack until we find something that works

But I don't hate some of the offense gloomers, they make some good points too... yeah it DOES suck when we finally have to deal with our beautiful and finely tuned machine start sputtering

On the 4th and 1 tush push…

I made be talking out my ass but could you have success if you tried your luck and timed it perfectly beating the cadence?

We didn’t stop it once last year, no team has had success this year. Similar to Reid’s perfect timing field goal block, could you take the risk and try to get a rusher through the line?

If you get called offsides or NZI all that happens is you lose 5 yards?

I actually think they must be load-managing Tony as well. It's the only thing that makes logical sense. Every time they've put him in a traditional WR role this year he's been wide open.

I'm hoping some one lets Andy know that Isiah Pacheco is perfectly capable of converting a 3rd and short, so he doesn't need to run dumb shit plays that he thinks are clever and confuse the D. Let him know that we supposedly have the best IOL in the NFL and they should be able to get a yard behind them.

Crazy things people say on CP for $100 Alex.

He did that earlier in the year -- anybody remember? He did it for like two games, ran Pacheco consistently on 3rd and short, and they converted almost every time.

idk if most ppl have realized it yet but this year is a defense year, offenses have not been as explosive as they’ve been in recent years outside of a 4 week run by the fins

Sure but many of the AFC contenders will have better offenses than they have been showing.

Everyone here assumes we are getting better.

Cincinnati started off with Burrow injured but they are looking like the team that knocked us out of the AFC Championship now.

Ravens have a totally new offensive coordinator and pass-catchers for Lamar. They haven't hit their stride either.

Those also happen to be the top 3 AFC teams right now, IMO.

I expect the AFC to win the SB and for it to be one of Kansas City, Cincinnati, or Baltimore.

What's so crazy about this? Pacheco has gotten 7 rushes when it was 3rd/4th down and 2 or less yards. He has converted 5 of those. That's 71% conversion rate.

Take Pacheco out of the occasion and they are 13 for 23. That's 57%.

Hell McKinnon is 3 for 4.

October 8th was the last time he's gotten an attempt at it. Completely idiotic.

KC is the most penalized team in the league and has the most turnovers. These are the problems that this team faces. And considering they've never been longterm concerns on a Reid/Mahomes team, I'm not too worried.

Imagine how badly they're going to start beating teams when they clean that up and stop dropping so many passes.

That's all you really had to say