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Chieftain 11-20-2023 10:47 PM

Andy Reid: Our receivers are getting better every week.

irafreak 11-20-2023 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 17235891)
This is such a funny thread. Sure, bench WR’s and play who? They all suck in their own special little way. Some can’t catch, some disappear and some just suck. Choose your poison

Richie james. I mean mvs drew a pi so I guess there's that but people act like it'll just get worse with a practice squad scrub but worse than no catches? There's no fix and you're probably right but I'm just agitated watching our stupidly overpaid receiver drop passes and spin around trying to track a ball.

FringeNC 11-20-2023 10:49 PM

Really, the only guy you can bench is Skyy Moore. Watson gets open, MVS at least has speed.

Frustrating about Watson -- he was consistently getting open -- could have had a HUGE game.

The lack of targets for Skyy Moore the last two years is amazing -- as someone mentioned, at this point it's clear he's just not an NFL player.

kccrow 11-20-2023 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 17235544)
FOR WHO???

Bryan Edwards, Sammy Watkins, and Rashard Higgins are out there on the street.

Tre'Quan Smith is on the Denver PS. Chris Conley is on the San Fran PS.

Those are guys that pop out as at least having some ability in the league. None are stars but I can't help but wonder if they are any worse than the garbage we watch trotted out every week.

Should have signed Callaway but the Saints have him back now...

I wouldn't hate the idea of knabbing Smith or Conley and then cutting bait with MVS.

More consistency at all levels of the field would be better than a speed merchant with spotty hands.

The Franchise 11-20-2023 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17236001)
Bryan Edwards, Sammy Watkins, and Rashard Higgins are out there on the street.

Tre'Quan Smith is on the Denver PS. Chris Conley is on the San Fran PS.

Those are guys that pop out as at least having some ability in the league. None are stars but I can't help but wonder if they are any worse than the garbage we watch trotted out every week.

Should have signed Callaway but the Saints have him back now...

I wouldn't hate the idea of knabbing Smith or Conley and then cutting bait with MVS.

More consistency at all levels of the field would be better than a speed merchant with spotty hands.

Any of these guys listed over MVS and Moore.

Eleazar 11-20-2023 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 17235977)
Really, the only guy you can bench is Skyy Moore. Watson gets open, MVS at least has speed.

Frustrating about Watson -- he was consistently getting open -- could have had a HUGE game.

The lack of targets for Skyy Moore the last two years is amazing -- as someone mentioned, at this point it's clear he's just not an NFL player.

It was clear last year really, but people kept swearing he was always separating and Mahomes not “trusting” him was the issue

kccrow 11-20-2023 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 17236046)
Any of these guys listed over MVS and Moore.

Precisely. MVS trips over his own dick making a PB&J and Moore can't find his way around the kitchen. Probably just time to find anybody with a pulse that might inject some life into this shit because even if James ends up being some great white knight, one isn't enough.

dtrain 11-20-2023 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 17235588)
I’ve said patience all season long.

I was wrong. This WR group is undoubtedly gonna cost us a playoff game this year.

Time for Veach to overhaul in the offseason. Rice, Watson and Toney can stay. Everyone else should be gone.

I love Kelce, but he needs to retire if this is the kind of effort we’re gonna get from him going forward. I could be wrong, but wonder if his off field stuff is affecting his play on the field? Or maybe it’s just Father Time catching up and him getting tired.

The offensive group needs to be overhauled this offseason. In a BIG way.

You know he will when he sees a weakness he handles it.

MahomesMagic 11-20-2023 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17236001)
Bryan Edwards, Sammy Watkins, and Rashard Higgins are out there on the street.

Tre'Quan Smith is on the Denver PS. Chris Conley is on the San Fran PS.

Those are guys that pop out as at least having some ability in the league. None are stars but I can't help but wonder if they are any worse than the garbage we watch trotted out every week.

Should have signed Callaway but the Saints have him back now...

I wouldn't hate the idea of knabbing Smith or Conley and then cutting bait with MVS.

More consistency at all levels of the field would be better than a speed merchant with spotty hands.

My buddy just told me he could find 3 practice squad players that might help us.

He might be right, that's how bad some of these WR's are.

MahomesMagic 11-20-2023 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17236001)
Bryan Edwards, Sammy Watkins, and Rashard Higgins are out there on the street.

Tre'Quan Smith is on the Denver PS. Chris Conley is on the San Fran PS.

Those are guys that pop out as at least having some ability in the league. None are stars but I can't help but wonder if they are any worse than the garbage we watch trotted out every week.

Should have signed Callaway but the Saints have him back now...

I wouldn't hate the idea of knabbing Smith or Conley and then cutting bait with MVS.

More consistency at all levels of the field would be better than a speed merchant with spotty hands.

I like the idea of kicking the tires on Chris Conley.

FloridaMan88 11-20-2023 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chieftain (Post 17235959)
Andy Reid: Our receivers are getting better every week.

Nice comic relief, Andy.

KC Dan 11-20-2023 11:05 PM

These wr's better hold onto the ball next week while I'm in Vegas. If they don't, I may get Ruggs out of jail hand him a couple of bottles of whisky, a rented corvette and pictures of our wr core.

RINGLEADER 11-20-2023 11:05 PM

You can't play WRs who can't catch. The options are limited so if it helps go ahead and launch someone.

booger 11-20-2023 11:52 PM

Two jugs machines in the WR/TE/RB meeting rooms. One for catching the football. The other is set up for baseballs that get aimed at the dick. Nut cup required but it’s still going to pack a punch. Drop the football take a two seam fastball right on the purple headed yogurt slinger and go to the back of the line

ChiefsFanatic 11-21-2023 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17235417)
Starting with MVS. Make him a healthy scratch.



It's time to start sending a real message. Put Richie James in there.



Andy needs to send a message

Andy Reid said that Skyy Moore does a heckuva job just two weeks ago. He has no message to send.

He may be the greatest, or one of the greatest coaches in NFL history, but he can stick with coaches and players way past their expiration date.

He kept Sutton too long, didn't bench Smith against the Titans, insisted on giving CEH carries over Pacheco, praises Skyy Moore who is clearly not an NFL receiver, etc. etc.

ChiefsFanatic 11-21-2023 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 17235725)
Don't forget that Chris Jones ****ed us this off season

Veach ****ed us, not Jones.

He should have paid Jones, so that the contract could be done so it created enough space to sign a WR.

I am not a fan of paying Jones $30 million a year, but it's not that much more per year than we wanted to pay, compared to how ridiculously bad the receivers are. Yeah, we pay Jones an extra $3-$5 million a year, but we have a receiver who belongs on an NFL roster.

Tribal Warfare 11-21-2023 03:31 AM

The week is pivotal for Veach, if that includes signing a PS player from another team then do it because they couldn't be any worse than the current corps.

JPH83 11-21-2023 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 17236479)
Veach ****ed us, not Jones.

He should have paid Jones, so that the contract could be done so it created enough space to sign a WR.

I am not a fan of paying Jones $30 million a year, but it's not that much more per year than we wanted to pay, compared to how ridiculously bad the receivers are. Yeah, we pay Jones an extra $3-$5 million a year, but we have a receiver who belongs on an NFL roster.

What do we think Veach should've done differently? Genuine question, I'm happy to criticise Veach, I'm just trying to work out the options.

- Move up for a higher prospect in the draft? - Meh, probably not
- Double dip in the draft? - I'd probably have done this with the Thompson pick but I doubt it makes a difference
- Trade?
- Ditch MVS or another move, don't go for Tranquill, free up cap space and go for a WR in FA? In which case how and who? What does the Jones deal allow us to do?

Veach absolutely read the WR room wrong, it's been a mess and it was hubris to think Mahomes fixes everything. I said it before last year and then thought I was proven wrong. Nope. Apparently even a Juju type is needed.

Raiderhater 11-21-2023 05:59 AM

We need to bring back the the Todd Haley portapotties in practice for these guys.

chiefzilla1501 11-21-2023 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 17236482)
What do we think Veach should've done differently? Genuine question, I'm happy to criticise Veach, I'm just trying to work out the options.

- Move up for a higher prospect in the draft? - Meh, probably not
- Double dip in the draft? - I'd probably have done this with the Thompson pick but I doubt it makes a difference
- Trade?
- Ditch MVS or another move, don't go for Tranquill, free up cap space and go for a WR in FA? In which case how and who? What does the Jones deal allow us to do?

Veach absolutely read the WR room wrong, it's been a mess and it was hubris to think Mahomes fixes everything. I said it before last year and then thought I was proven wrong. Nope. Apparently even a Juju type is needed.

The issue ive had is people saying we've pumped a ton of assets into our wr room. But we really haven't. Teams have aggressively drafted WR and spent a gazillion $ on them so when we get ours in, we are even further down the talent chain.

I've been as big a critic as anyone about this one position group but I don't think the ask is too unreasonable. I wasn't barking about davante. I was barking about bandaids like thielen and dhop as we organize the chaos. our defense has been elite so it isn't to knock on getting aggressive with defense but is that little extra to move our defense from great to elite worth it? There may not have been WRs sitting in our draft spots but weve also ignored positions like OL and it forcef us to pump huge money into it. We've spent a shitload of capital on guys like thuney, obj, Taylor and good chance we pump way more into creed and/or trey. But instead of finding these guys we are looking for backup DL and DB.

And that's not even getting into the moneyballness of it all. We can borrow money. Weve just chosen not to because we dont want to deal with long term consequences. We could have turned all of mahomes base this year into bonus. We waited until a few games in to restructure thuney which means that option was there from the beginning. We can afford to make these kinds of "credit card" moves. Hell Patrick's whole contract was structured to use that. My preference wojldve been to do this while we have a great versiok of Kelce and while Reid is still top of his game. We didn't and that's ok, but it was a deliberate choice.

So we had options. We just chose not to use them


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