Neither did Green Bay. That's the rub

Same here.

Pack played out of their minds, like their season was on the line.

The Chiefs didn't play well at all.

Nah. We played like shit, bottom line.

It had reached the point by the second half of that game that I was expecting a Chiefs penalty on any negative Packers play. It was one of those games.

That's butt ****ing stupid. They're gonna call that PF on any QB not named Cam Newton.

Can't come up full steam ahead as the QB is heading out of bounds. It's been called that way a billion times.

Yeah I’d be more mad if we didn’t completely **** ourself on the interception drive

Still pretty sad. Just not at officials.

I don't know, Peeg. The Pack played an outstanding game tonight.

Excellent rebuttal.

For a first grader.

It was illegal contact or DPI, they weren't hand fighting he popped him in the shoulder well after 5 yards and then grabbed his arm, the defenders helmet hit Mahomes helmet on the hit on the sideline...

That was the worst in the history of the NFL.

This MVS one might be top 10.

The roughing on Pat OB was just as bad for GB as the MVS was for us.

Odds of getting PI go down at the end of the game on a decisive call. Shoulda called it still obviously but the team put themselves in a desperate situation.

I don't feel the refs are to blame for the loss. We sucked on both sides of the ball and GB played over their heads.

But the Packers aren't my favorite football team. So I'm not worried about them or their record.

The Chiefs played an uninspired, sloppy football game. So much so they were getting hurt as a result of it. I can't convince myself we were 'robbed' somehow. We sucked all night and most of them seemed to be fairly indifferent about that.

This was the second worst call I've ever seen. The worst one was in the 2019 NFC Championship game that allowed the Rams to beat the Saints to get to the Super Bowl.

I get that. The Packers lead from start to finish.

Yup.

On top of that, Matt goddamned LaFluer outcoached Andy Reid and Steve Spagnuolo tonight. Let that sink in.

Yep, anyone suggesting that wouldn’t be called consistently is having selective memory. You can make contact, but they aren’t going to allow the defender to deliver a full body blow on a QB that is obviously going OOB. Easy call.

Look. It's real ****ing simple.

If you let the football game come down to the point that you need the refs to do their jobs for you to have any chance, then you deserve to lose the football game.

You know your offense isn't right, yet you settle for 3 instead of going after that 7 when you're inside the 10.

You know your receivers are trash and you pull your best wide receiver off the football field on 3rd down, when youre down here close to scoring.

When your personnel is lacking, your coaching has to come up a notch to compensate. 6 point first halves aren't gonna go very far toward winning football games against any team not playing while in a diabetic coma, and expecting the zebras to help you win is not the answer.

The defense was pure garbage against what amounts to a collection of jobbers compared to what we'll face in the AFC

Let's not get too out of hand.

Mariota forward progress
Saints-Rams playoffs

and how can we forget:


(drum roll)

Tuck Rule

As bad as our offense is in the red zone I'm not so sure of that. Previous years, ABSOLUTELY !! This year? Not so much.

Agreed. But I cannot stand the blatant bullshit. That one, the no call on the hold on George, the really egregious shit out in the open makes me crazy. That's a me problem. It's been there always will be there, but mother****er I hate it.

But like I said before, the Chiefs win by 10 if they play Chief Ball, even with the horseshit officials.

If they called the PI, they probably call holding on Taylor on the next play.

Peter LaFluer could have outcoached Spags tonight sadly. Matt put clown shoes on him

Dee a finger offsides...(yes I know he was but that is NEVER called and is a warning any other time)

You're not wrong but I do think the injuries threw off Spaga game plan. Also we gotta talk about how these bigger physical receivers have given the defense some issues. Happened against the Broncos too

He was so far off sides they should have ejected him from the game and planet Earth.

They called it unnecessary roughness, which is an accurate description. He was clearly stepping out of bounds. Pretty cheap hit in that situation.

Why in the hell did we sit in some weak ass zone the majority of three quarters and let Jordan Love pick us apart? And as soon as we started getting pressure with the blitz, he got erratic. It makes no sense.

That's how I look at it, GIT GUD

The non call was horrible but if we had a guy who could get separation from a DB that would help… Those guys don’t grow on trees.. We let one go with good reason but damm he could get open anytime he wanted.. Need to draft a big tall monster who fights for the ball.

I thought it was a blatant target.

What if you are at the point that you need the refs to do their jobs at least partially because the refs didn't do their job earlier in the game? Officiating is so bad it is putting The Game at risk. I have intentionally decreased the number of games I watch explicitly because the officiating is so poor. The NFL appears blind to the problem, and it is unfair to fans investing billions in the game. I will probably walk away from the game once Mahomes retires.

100% this!

The personal foul call when Mahomes was still inbounds was total bs so the bad ref calls nearly wipe each other out completely.

KC played a very sloppy game.

Skyy Moore should be inactive a couple weeks.

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The personal foul call may have been BS, but it in no way equates to the no-call on the blatant pass interference. They get that call right and the Chiefs are inside the five yard line.

Defense looked out of sync almost the entire game. Injuries didn’t help, but damn, they could not get the Packers’ offense off the field.

We played like shit. That part of the game is what it is.

But I can't convince myself they missed that call. They chose not to make it.

The personal foul call was nowhere near as egregious as the missed PI.

Mahomes was about a half step away from being out of bounds. In real time, it was somewhat close. The ref might have also had a misleading angle to see it.

Bad call obviously, but nowhere near as bad as the missed PI.

NFL officials call everything they see but only see what they want...

The NFL's Officials cartel would just shit on them more to remind them that they can do any ****ing thing they want to, with impunity. Then fine them for daring to speak ill of the cartel...

The personal foul call was bad, but I view it as a payback for the bogus penalty on Pacheco. Those even out.

Ignoring the pass interference cost us the game.

He was flagged for a late hit, not helmet to helmet.

Unnecessary roughness, not a late hit. And it was unnecessary.

That missed PI call that kept New Orleans was worse. So there’s that at least.

Yeppers

The ref said, “After the play was over”. If it was a helmet to helmet call, it wouldn’t have been after the play. It also would have been an incredibly weak helmet to helmet call on a runner.

Unfortunately it was a make up non-call. They figured out that the roughing personal foul when Mahomes was going out of bounds wasn't a foul and they as a result decided to not throw a flag here. This 100% gets called otherwise. I don't know that refs consciously do it, but you see make up calls all the time.

Not sure what was up with Sneed last night but for some reason he looked a little out of place at key moments last night.

That faux pas letting the receiver get wide open behind him while trying to cheat up on a short pass that wouldn't have given GB the 1st down was just silly.

And bonehead too

The phantom holding call on Creed...

Several missed holding calls on the GB offensive line

The blatantly obvious hands to the face on the GB Lineman on the 4th down lob by Love

The missed PI call on MVS

Too many poor/missed calls last night by this crew that should get the attention of the NFL, but it won't.

Love picked apart our zone defense. Should have stayed in man coverage after seeing Love pick us apart. When we were playing man Love didn't even attempt a throw hardly. When we blitz and play man we are a pretty dam good defense. When we rush four and play zone every QB picks us apart. ****ing obvious....

The NFL officiating group, if they ever felt inclined to explain their ways and reasons, might say the exact same thing...

That said, since there is a brotherhood among the officials since they are never held accountable for their sins, they'll just laugh and do it all again next week.

NFL officials call everything they see but only see what they want...

It's how they influence the outcomes of games.

The Pack didn't play out of their minds. Jordan Love picked us apart because his offensive line got away with ****ing murder in that game. Every single play they made has blatant holding. Not "maybe" holding or holding that they let go kind of shit. Blatant. We got gutted by the refs, flat out. Our pass rush wasn't going to touch him. Absolute shit show.

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The Packers outplayed the Chiefs and the Chiefs didn't deserve to let the coaching staff off the hook by stealing the win there. This is not the same Chiefs team that it's been since 2018. This feels like an Alex Smith-led team where there is zero room for error and a bad penalty or mistake can cost the game.

That being said, the penalties and non-calls in this game were about as bad as I've seen them throughout the game.

From the horrible holding call that cost the Chiefs a TD, the fantom OPI on Kelce, the early to the blatant facemask/hands to the face on Jordan Love's duck on 4th down to the MVS out of bounds that stopped the clock, the MVS piggyback ride non call. My god, this was embarrassing for the NFL on National TV.

Refball…catch the fever!!

Hard to take this place seriously when people seriously claim that the opponent should have been flagged 60 times

Until "replay" has the ability to overrule calls that are obvious, AND, the officials are penalized for make horrible calls/non calls, this will continue. Home teams usually have a advantage in ????? calls. Another thing is this.....the NFL is all about $$$$$$. Do you really think the home office wants another Chiefs team in the SB ? Nah. They would rather have the 49'ers (West audience) or Eagles (East audience) against maybe Fins (East) or Ravens (East). That's huge population of viewers rather than dirtworshiper Midwestern hicks. That's the reality of the NFL home office wishes.

Why are there always so many people lecturing us about how the ref's call is "just part of the game," "didn't make Patrick throw the int," "gotta play better than the refs." Are they the same people that jump all over our own players that get called for iffy penalties? Is there some kind of perverse pleasure they take in siding against their own team?

Until teams can challenge more bad calls on the field with replay, it's kinda pointless to let bad ref calls ruin your week. There are bad calls every game and there is nothing we can do about it as fans other than to tell ourselves it's "just part of the game."

If you want to scream at people online all week and be mad, you can still do that.

In the end, the Chiefs have to play better if they want to win the Super Bowl.

......and the official that didn't make the call is drinking his morning coffee looking at a huge increase in his bank account.......That one no-call could easily end the Chiefs SB asperations this year. Home field just went bye bye.

In soccer, you can review basically everything, yet even then there's missed calls and controversy every game.

This is an issue in sports, period.

......exactly. Why does Fatman and Spaggs continue to get passes when they ...kup game after game. This is the Fatman that got run from Philly. But hey, two SB's give you alot of free Sonic Cb's and tots.

Mahomes said after the game that he was Ok with the no call as he prefers for the refs to let the guys play at the end of the game. I agree with him.

Second worst call ever, first was giving MVS a $30 million dollar contract and expecting him to be a legitimate starting WR.

Did anyone listen to what Josh Klingler said about MVS this morning?

If you didn’t already hate the guy, I’d suggest checking it out.

Long story short, MVS was tired going into the last play of the game and took himself out. He then slowly walked off the field and several other players had to yell at him to get him to move off the field quicker. It sounds like it caused a lot of confusion in the huddle and made the last play even more of a disaster.

That’s my quick summary of it.

You haven’t listened to Reid and/or Mahomes very long if you think you can take anything away from what they say publicly.

The Chiefs have to be the coach-speakiest (yes, that’s a word) in the league right now.

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The refs are having too big an outcome on games this year. It's so inconsistent it's ****ing up the play on the field.

What would happen to the WR room, and the team in general, if MVS was no longer part of the team next week? NOTHING! which is exactly what this guy provides - NOTHING! He's $11MM/yr of wasted space. F him.

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I was at a conference in Anaheim where the female referee in this game was one of the speakers talking about leadership and the hardships of being a female in a male-dominated career. She spoke about her first game was a Chiefs game, and she screwed up a call. Every time she is on the sideline, I feel the officiating is a disaster.

There were so many horrible penalties and noncalls last night. I've seen worse calls or non-calls over the years, but I don't think I've seen a worse officiated game in my life.

The quality of officiating will only continue to decline over the next several years as long as the NFL is only concerned with hiring for diversity instead of who’s the best qualified for the job.

Imagine thinking DEI is the cause of NFL officiating blunders. :spock:

Things have gotten pretty bad. It’s not even that one team got hosed over the other last night, even though everyone here will think that’s the case. It’s that so many calls were blown that no one can even say what the outcome might have been if the game were officiated well. It’s incomprehensible.

Laying all over a WR is apparently not enough to restrict him from catching the ball..

I posted an collage of the blatant holds on all of their big plays in another thread. I didn't say 60 times, but the plays that mattered most all were had extremely bad no-calls.