The WRs will be drilled like a Von Miller whore

Does anyone know what else he said to Allen? Cause Allen had a look of confusion. Msybe he couldn't hear him but it looked like a,"you ok man?" kind of look because it was very out of character for mahomes.

do they need us to take up a collection?

I definitely think it was a strange hill to die on, but he also mentioned staying quiet last week, so my complete guess is maybe we don't see that kind of thing if it wasn't for all the other bullshit from last week and all the challenges yesterday.

I personally think players and coaches and even owners need to start calling out at least the worst of it though... not sure how Mahomes or anyone keeps their cool after the piggy back ride last weekend.

Toney was obvious lined up in/across the neutral zone, but there are several other plays they ****ed up and had to reverse, spending 5 or 10 minutes on a few of them.... I agree they picked the wrong one to focus on, but as a whole all this shit is ruining the game.

I find myself not even being all that excited for plays because I'm conditioned now to wait for the flag and bullshit... I saw the one on Toney when they threw it and assumed it was defensive offsides, but still wasn't jumping up and down at the great play, because how will the NFL **** it up (of course, Toney ****ed it up).

Was it the right call?

The refs right foot is what you usually go off in a game and Toney was my offsides based on the right foot of the red, only by the imaginary tv line that’s not official.

That’s after the MVS piggy back ride the previous week.

Oh no, don't fine them a fraction of their salary...

And he says it after Josh covers his mouth and says something to Mahomes... Probably, man that's a tough call at the end, wish we could have ended it the way it should have been ended...

You are 100% wrong.

STFU

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The last time I could find a player (or coach) fined for the criticism of officials was Steelers WR Diontae Johnson in November.<br><br>Here were his comments following a Week 8 loss to the Jags, which led to a $25k fine. <a href="https://t.co/RnttEbu4p1">pic.twitter.com/RnttEbu4p1</a></p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1734266886290829699?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

You know, the extra time out the Bills got at the end of the first half. Needs thrown into the mix

Buffalo got away with a lot of false starts in that game, including the drive to end the first half.

So Diontae Johnson basically accused the refs of being bought off, and his fine was $25K. Mahomes has a much bigger platform, plus he made a big scene in-game, but his comments weren't nearly that over-the-top. I would think it all balances out and he also gets hit with $25K. His ad revenue from the MNF games tonight should more than cover.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/kzn05QioaX">pic.twitter.com/kzn05QioaX</a></p>&mdash; how bout those CHIEFS (@hbtCHIEFS) <a href="https://twitter.com/hbtCHIEFS/status/1734274319994212431?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I don’t see it happening but, on the suspension talk, I hope they do suspend Mahomes for this coming week’s game. Dude will come back and spend the remainder of the season and post season ramming it up the league’s ass all the way to SB MVP.

The refs already seem to be tilting things in our opponents' favor, so I don't think Mahomes' outburst means much. Penalties this season:

Chiefs
Penalties: 83 (11th)
Yards: 690 (11th)

Chiefs' Opponents
Penalties: 60 (31st)
Yards: 514 (29th)

So the Chiefs are already wearing horns and their opponents are already wearing halos. This team needs to circle the wagons and assume the "Us against the world" mentality and start kicking some ass.

lol he isn’t going to get suspended

What are you talking about? Brady literally did the same thing after the Patriots played the Panthers and went after the head ref when Gronk didn't get a PI call in the end zone. And BTW, Brady doesn't shake hands with his opponent after he loses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzGV06OKZTk

Some of y'all have trouble reading as well as comparing things

Pretty interesting stats there. The Chiefs opponents are randomly squeaky clean against KC. Pretty suspicious trend.

Packers game was really messed up. Humphrey got called on a ticky tack, arguably phantom holding penalty that cost KC 4 points. Meanwhile Green Bay got away with two blatant fouls that led to a 14 point swing in their favor. Very blatant hands to the face by the Packers on their long 4th down play which led to 7 points, and obviously the very blatant interference on MVS at the end of the game.

We also don't have any video of brady ever being on the losing end of a critical late-game penalty. Ever. In 20+ seasons.

We have a lot of video of him receiving critical late-game penalties, though. Tons of it.

Exactly.

It's clear to me now the NFL was not going to let the Chiefs win another Super Bowl.

That's why they let them get out to a 6-1 start.

lmao @ the NFL

just kind of confirms what we've been seeing

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...Pw&oe=657BCBEF

Too soon?

Its an accumulation of issues not just that play. The week before he gave the NFL standard line when MVS was absolutely interfered with on a crucial play and no call.

He constantly gets hit in the head and roughed up and very few times gets a flag.

The ridiculous calls on Taylor to start the season started all of this. It isn't Mahomes losing his shit over one play, he finally reached a boiling point.

I'm 100% fine with it as well. When was the last time Reid blasted the officials like that? Does he seem to be emotionally driven when it comes to refs usually? No, that should tell you something.

If a casual fan thinks Mahomes lost his shit because of one call that’s fine.

Anyone following this team knows the entire frustration of this year finally burst out.

Good. I don’t know what else they can do but a pissed off Mahomes can only help at this point because way too many people along for the ride and no one taking ownership of the results.

This is what pisses me off the most.

You want to call the Chiefs for every false start they have? Fine. Just be consistent and call it the same way across the league. You can see us getting penalties for the exact same thing the Bills are doing IN THE SAME GAME... or the Eagles, or any other NFL offensive line. Offensive lineman have been getting a jump on the snap for years and they are just now deciding to call it specifically on one team.

FYP.

That’s exactly what bothers me because the Taylor penalties are not because he’s doing something new this year. He’s always done that and it was never a penalty until now. Other players do the same thing with no call. It’s blatant targeting. Not saying he hasn’t committed some penalties, but it’s gotten beyond ridiculous.

Of course it's an accumulation - but for ****'s sake, make your point on the field and move on. I could completely understand this happening on the MVS DPI no call last week, but to go scorched earth and double/triple down when the officials actually did their job correctly?

It makes you look like a ****ing moron.

Just received a text from a member here who said, "this is gonna be an ugly publicity week."

And they are right. Would that have been the case had he lost his shit LAST week? Not in my opinion, I'd bet most would see it as justified.

Really only 4-5 games where KC had more than 3 penalties than the other team and I believe KC won them all, aside from yesterday. Odd that the Raiders had 0 penalties.

It was technically a penalty, but if the penalty was deviation from common practice in the past it raises questions. Especially when it seems like you have been getting ****ed every single week with bad calls.

To your point, I hope this does make him go nuclear on the field the rest of the season.

Dude, how was that a deviation from common practice?

How often do you see a WR line up a FULL YARD ahead of legal? As DJLN said somewhere, they HAVE to call that. It's blatant. And the fact that Andy came out today and said Toney was only an "inch or two" from legal is a ****ing terrible message to send. Shit, just give the media the same, "I take full responsibility and we'll get it fixed" bullshit that you've been saying all year while never fixing things. That's better than continuing to make it as if it was a bad call, or even a close one.

And I'm not sure what games you're watching, but we GET a lot of calls as well. Everyone here forgets them and focuses on when we get ****ed.

When the team starts acting like the fanbase when it comes to refs, it's a problem.

Toney is an idiot and it's bash Mahomes day in the media.

Coaches blast refs on camera ALL THE TIME. If a QB can't do that then that's just racist!

He wasn't remotely a yard offsides, JFC.

You seem to act like officiating is good and there aren't calls damn near every game that effect the outcome.

Sorry but if it wasn't a common practice to give a warning there, Reid wouldn't have been livid about it.

As an example......


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Both. BOTH LT and RT FALSE START 😂🤣 this is just a JOKE <a href="https://t.co/G8anvjmzGC">pic.twitter.com/G8anvjmzGC</a></p>&mdash; LetsGoKC $8 (@LetsGoKC1) <a href="https://twitter.com/LetsGoKC1/status/1733983258533150910?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yup its the constant inconsistency in calling penalties that's maddening, I don't know how people don't understand that.

The frustrations are starting to boil over and it’s not hard to see why. If the league heard what I said sitting on my couch I would be banned for life. I’ve never seen a team get ****ed like a house cat repeatedly in their own house. Plenty of other reasons we keep losing. Namely not playing 4 quarters and playing hero ball at the end, but I digress. These shit calls don’t help so **** the league and their shit ass refs. Just terrible.

You and I are doing different things with our house cats.

He wasn't warned because as Andy pointed out today, he never checked with the LJ.

And to be frank, he's ****ing 8 feet from the ball and looking at it. You have to be a moron to not realize you're not even close to legal. As a WR you line up off the center's feet. Toney's back foot is where his front foot should be.

Look at where Rice is lined up, legally.

Toney is lined up almost a full yard ahead of Rashee.

And officiating ISN'T good. But this conspiratorial bullshit that the league is against us is ****ing reeruned. It's a fast game played and officiated by humans, who are made to look even worse than they are because every decision can be shown to the TV audience a frame at a time in ****ing 4/8k resolution.

He may have been "barely" offsides but there is no reason whatsoever to have made it even close. I mean he's like a yard off
If he's behind the line LJ gives him a lot of slack
If he checks LJ either let's it slide or he scoots him back

Easy call. And unfortunately this dumb mistake made Andy and pat look like chicken little. We had everyone on our side last week.

Meh, it should make the winter meetings more fun..

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/as-nfl-...045052846.html

lol i said that to start with

Pretty huge non-call for the Baltimore Ravens...

"During the Baltimore Ravens’ thrilling 37-31 win over the Los Angeles Rams — via a 76-yard punt return for a touchdown by wideout Tylan Wallace in overtime — officials missed a clear block in the back by the Ravens during the play. And it didn’t take place far from the ball. Instead, the block took place when a Rams player was angling toward Wallace right as he turned the ball upfield and into the open. Instead of making a tackle, the Rams defender narrowly missed Wallace’s legs."

Ask Von on the following play.

As @TwistedChief pointed out earlier today, the idea that Miller was offsides on the next play has been proven wrong.

I think big difference being that the NFL is inconsistent enough here that this becomes a judgement call which you'd prefer not to make in crunch time. Toneys wasn't a judgment call. it was blatantly a penalty even factoring the massive leeway line judges give us.

But totally agree that officiating absolutely needs to be a priority this offseason. Targeting jawaan Taylor while lane Johnson can do the same damn thing every snap is just comical .

That video is from the 2nd quarter, not the 4th quarter. It wasn't "crunch time." Buffalo was false-starting the entire game, just like Lane Johnson. KC has a target on their backs, that's the only trend that seems pretty clear.

The last picture I saw last night showed differently, anything new today I’ve missed from an almost 400 mile drive.

Toney was lining up "offsides" all game. It was just at the end they decided to call it.

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So they could have called him all game but waited till the final drive when the Bills needed a stop.


:shake:

And not a good look for Toney or the coaching staff that this guy was not lining up correctly all game.

I get it. It's bullshit that we got targeted for it before but it is consistent with the current NFL that gives a LOT of leeway for it. I don't think you can address this until the off-season because it's too late in the season and you don't want these stretches of games to peppered with these kinds of penalties. Make it a point of emphasis next year and penalize the hell out of it in the preseason.

Toneys on the other hand was cut and dry. His penalty was so egregious it went beyond leeway receivers already get

I'm not even mentioning the Toney penalty. He was offsides. It was a good call. I'm talking specifically about the inconsistency across the league for offensive lineman being able to get a jump on the snap of the ball.

That makes way more sense for Reid to be livid. That certainly feels like the refs were holding it in their back pocket which is a bad bad look for the officials.

But apparently they let Toney get away with it the rest of the game, which is hilarious. He's a moron for lining up offsides for an entire game, and I'm surprised the refs didn't nail him much earlier.

Most basic aspect of football is lining up away from the neutral zone, yet the Chiefs have had two game-changing brain farts with a lack of discipline. Andy not putting enough emphasis on this, apparently. Can't blame the new receivers coach for Dee Ford, but I will blame him for Toney lining up wrong.

That is just bad. Bad officiating and bad on Toney to get that close to the LOS. Just take a 1/4 step back.

It sucks but there's not a lot you can probably do. The NFL tried to make an example of us and learned quickly why it's hard to change points of emphasis in midseason. Sucks that we got scapegoated for the NFL to learn that the hard way. Focusing on that now is just going to lead to OTs playing tentative at a crucial stretch

Yeah, if the argument is that the NFL wanted less WRs doing that they could have sent him a warning early then a flag.

But to let him do that the whole game and then pull it out final drive KC had that was do or die seems off.

So you're saying the NFL went "Hey, make this a point of emphasis moving forward" and the refs took that to mean "Hey, make this a point of emphasis moving forward for the Chiefs but ignore the rest of the league"?

If they were focusing on it, it would be called in every game against every team.

That's frustrating. We all know that the players have to figure out early in the game how the officials are going to call the game, and adjust accordingly. Toney was given no reason to see an adjustment until the most critical play of the game, when the official decided to change his pattern of officiating.

Toney didn't change, the official did.

Like Reid said, they would normally be warned. They never warned them after these other times. If you don't call it or advise about it, then don't call it.

Oh, and those 11 other times this was called all year were all on Tush Pushes.... ****ing NFL is pathetic.

Damn, I had convinced myself Toney was just an idiot, but this shit is crazy. If they had thrown the flag early in the game or just told him they weren't comfortable with how close he was to the line, none of this bullshit blows up at the end of the game. At best the officiating just sucks, at worst the official had an axe to grind and set him up for failure.

I don't think its a conspiracy, I just think the officiating is terribly inconsistent and because of that it effects too many games.

They didn't lose because of this one play, I get it. But the frustrations are due to a myriad of things that caused this to boil over.

This is the crux of the issue with the flag at that moment.

NFL is gonna rule they crossed a line.

If Clark Hunt is the owner I believe him to be, he has already made a call to Goodell... the Chiefs have been nitpicked to death this year, honestly can't recall anything quite like it

And, if there's too much conversation somebody might get honest about how this week's event might be tied to a infraction we actually committed, but when they claim it was pent-up frustration about the previous week's terrible call, well that might lead to some much-needed conversation the NFL and NFL officials will have to resort to the spin wheels to decide how they want to excuse THAT call.

All I can say is this, Mahones and Reid have been proven technically wrong on yesterday's deal, so moving forward they need to be smarter about when they light-up the refs about bad calls. They made a huge mistake taking the high road last week, they made just as big a mistake this week when they exploded over something when the NFL refs were actually correct.

Any other player gives it to the refs like that they get a flag and ejected at the least.

perfect pat and Andy should be fined and made to apologize.

Imagine all those Swifties getting the wrong impression of how NFL players act, and supposed SB champions at that. Stay Classy!

Amazing that the NFL will review the players but not their shitty ass referees.

When are they going to start reviewing the refs and holding them responsible for ****ing up calls every single week. Those assholes have taken the fun out of the game. Every time there's a big play or score, you have to wait 30 seconds to make sure there are no bullshit flags before you can start cheering. They're ruining the game

The biggest question is why can't a 4th year WR line up properly and understand the neutral zone. I don't think he was trying to gain an advantage but your RT does all the time with his leaving his stance just before the snap and trying to gain an advantage by lining up with his hips way deeper than the center which gives him a better chance to get into his stance. I didn't see the whole game but thought he got called a couple times.

They didn't call Taylor for his first foul in the Detroit game until the end of that one either.
https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/artic...13132_39229350
"Throughout the Chiefs' 21-20 loss to the Detroit Lions, Taylor seemed to consistently be a step ahead of the Chiefs' snap count while also being illegally lined up off of the line of scrimmage. The combination of a quick first step and starting further back off the line gave him a significant advantage over the Lions' pass rush, and especially top pass-rusher Aidan Hutchinson (though, it did not really slow down Hutchinson from causing havoc in the Chiefs' backfield.)
It became a focal point for the NBC announcing team, with rules analyst Terry McAulay admitting that Taylor was clearly lining up illegally.
The officials did not actually call him for a false start until the final two minutes of the game when the Chiefs were already facing a fourth-and-20."



You guys have a coaching issue and lack of attention to detail.

I was watching the Broncos game and Jerry Jeudy had an awful game but I noticed when he lined up pre-snap he was raising his left arm parallel to the LOS so he knew he wasn't off-sides or covered. If only he could catch the freaking ball. Details beyond Toney.

Still sad that perfect pat is allowed to yell at the refs while being restrained and not get flagged or ejected.

They are reviewed every play of every game every week by the NFL officiating staff. However, they are subject to disciplinary actions up to termination we never hear about those actions.
Most of these refs have side/day jobs. The NFL referee gig is generally "part-time" and they still make over $200K a year.
The NFL needs to make these refs full-time so that they are as much into the game in its entirety as the players and coaches and have much more accountability which should be just as public as it is with the players and coaches.

Your and idiot.

Both Bills tackles were leaving early all night last night. On two occasions it was stupid early. Reid intentionally exposed the refs for targeting Taylor earlier in the season for doing the same thing by substituting a player. The Zebras have also been exposed in games involving other teams all season long. They suck ass. That's all there is to it. Until they fix the inconsistency, the faces of the NFL need to keep going off not them.

Shut up bitch


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LMAOROFL

Great point. I'm sure they'll claim they do but keep it very quiet, but I think we all know the truth.

I suspect they won't ever. I think we all know who they work for and the role they play in the larger picture their employer wants painted.

So the video evidence that he asked the ref if he was good is ignored? ****ing donkey.

Hearsay...