People are quick to shit on Nagy but he is the same OC during the season Alex Smith was considered an MVP candidate. And the same guy who played a key role in us winning the SB last year. Nagy is not the problem. Playcalling is not the problem. The execution and self discipline are the problem. Receivers dropping the ball. Pat turning the ball over in two straight drives, resulting in the fade scoring 14 points in 7 seconds. This has been the problem all season.

When pederson was here people couldn’t believe he was hired as HC when all he did was hold a clipboard. Then Nagy revitalized the offense because Reid gave a rookie oc significant control. Then EB was a revelation, until the chiefs sucked because the chiefs gave him more control, and then they won a Super Bowl because they took away all his responsibility. Now Nagy comes in and the offense is struggling because Nagy has too much control over the offense.

It’s always been about Reid. Ups and downs. And it will be about Reid when this team turns it around next year (and people will inevitably say it’s because we neutered Nagy)

Too many cooks in the kitchen

Don't blame them. Talent deficiency kills the playbook. Nagy was awesome in 2017 when we had weapons. Well until Alex went fetal.

Get the weapons and the points will come

We need to hire the giants OC - his scheme is so much better!

Sorry if it's been said. But less read option with Mahomes at RB would be nice.

I can agree with that. There is no one person to blame though. Blame goes around to many people.

Beyond the position coach I think they miss a real vet presence in the WR room.

Nagy my ass. Andy is the HC and the OC. It's all on him.

I actually trust that Andy's extensive experience will enable him to identify coaching and personnel issues and get them fixed. Counterpoint: WRs. Got it. Can't fix personnel until the offseason.

Has Andy's WCO been figured out by the league?

Look at Andy/Nagy, Doug Pederson and EB this season. All started off okay and then have gotten worse and worse as the year has gone on.

Look at all of the struggles from the Chiefs, Jags and Commanders offenses since Halloween.

Matt Nagy-the only OC in NFL history that can turn Patrick Mahomes and the highest scoring offense of 2022 into the Chicago Bears 7.9 points per game mistake prone snoozefest.

Or start them instead. Simply parked on the line would give Pat more time to run around before being sacked/incomplete.

At least Bears fans finally know what a Nagy offense with Mahomes would look like. Sucks badly.

They had no choice but to run screens and quick passes. Any time Mahomes dropped back he was either sacked or ran for his life

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Raiders only blitzed Patrick Mahomes on 3 dropbacks<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> still allowed pressure on 39% of his dropbacks. 15’s stat line under pressure (PFF):<br><br>5/13 passing<br>2.4 Y/A<br>4 Throwaways<br>4 Sacks<br>Only 3 1st down completions</p>&mdash; Ron Kopp Jr. (@Ron_Kopp) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ron_Kopp/status/1739765609024414174?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Holy shit Mahomes ran more in this game than he did in the Super Bowl debacle? Yeah. No more Andy and Nagy criticism. They couldn't call anything in this game bc the OL got anally raped, the run game had only 32 yards on 15 carries and the WR's can't separate.

Again wtf do ya'll want Andy or Nagy to do here?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mahomes covered 945 yards in that game, including sprinting for 226 yards. He&#39;s now at 917 yards and has sprinted for 280 yards. So he&#39;s running for his life even more today than in that game. <a href="https://t.co/LJlFGsRyll">https://t.co/LJlFGsRyll</a></p>&mdash; Jonathan Jones (@jjones9) <a href="https://twitter.com/jjones9/status/1739385511368622111?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 25, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So it’s on Veach… a massive failure at offensive tackles, similar to the WR epic fail.

And no excuses for Donovan Smith being out.

He’s not exactly been great when playing and given his injury issues last year, the Chiefs should have been realistic about his ability to play an entire season.

Probably start with getting Morris some chip help, but that's just me.

Idk, but they were involved in personnel decisions and in developing these players. So yeah...do your job as a coach and coach them to be better and put them in positions of success.

If EVERYBODY on the offense was a **** up, how is coaching not responsible?

It's not like these are players Reid and Nagy walked in to and they just had to make the best of it. These are their handpicked players. You don't to hand pick players, train them all off season, and then when they all fail or regress in the season, act like you had nothing to do with it.

Morris 10
Thuney 4
Humphrey 2
Smith 0
Taylor 5

****s sake, the fact they expected Morris to last out on an island is lunacy.

Andy is 100% responsible for this mess and so is Veach.

The "Chiefs looked like Nagy's Bears" bc they threw a ton of horizontal passes and screens. Well what else can they do?

McKinnon was out, Pacheco got hurt and Clyde sure as hell can't block like those two.

Wanya got raped, Jawaan had to have chip help against Crosby and our IOL got beat.

The Raiders played cover 4 and crashed downhill bc their front 4 got pressure constantly.

Any time a front 4 gets that much pressure on the QB your offense is cooked. We learned that from the TB Super Bowl debacle and both of Tom Brady's Super Bowl losses to the Giants.

They don't have the talent like they did before. It's never been more obvious.

Oline caused Patrick to scream towards the sideline to get the plays in on time

Bienemy was supposed to be gone years ago, to take a head coaching position "somewhere". He was never staying long-term, unless Reid retired and Bienemy became head coach. There's no point lamenting his absence when we're probably lucky he stayed so long.

Andy won't throw Nagy under the bus. Nor should he. A team's coaching staff is a reflection of the head coach. Just like a restaurant kitchen. You can blame all the individual offensive coaches, but it begins with Andy. He's the head chef. If there's shitty food coming out of the kitchen, the head chef isn't managing well. He put this staff together. He's the head play caller. He knows the team's tendencies better than anyone.

You can still say Nagy SUCKS. Because he does.

Cant even get the play to Mahomes in time...:shake:
Nagy is butt trash.

You beat me to the punch.

Constant pressure with just four is the great equalizer in the NFL.

It is the best defensive measure available.

Gotta have the jockey. But the jockey has to have the horse too.

I was in the game thread going ape shit that Morris was literally costing us the game.

Nagy, Bieniemy and Pederson all look like different flavors of Andy Reid over the years.

Bieniemy looks so much like Nagy from 2017 and it's likely because it's the same exact situation. Lot of weapons that can help the limited QB but as the season went on teams caught on and you couldn't help the QB with scheme anymore.

Pederson looks like a bit similar to 2017 Nagy too, but also 2016 Andy with Alex. This guy has helped Lawrence so much from scheme to talent and the guy just can't get it done. You could see that in NY last season with Kafka too.

Nagy this year look like Nagy in Chicago bc just like in Chicago there was very little talent to run his scheme. Patrick isn't limited by any means but the talent on offense sure as hell is.

It's weird saying one is so much better than the others bc it's the same based on situation. Watch the highlights of those teams and you'll see an Andy Reid concept from a year he was here come up frequently.

The same thing is said about the Shannahan tree. Look at McVay and especially Mike MacDaniels in Miami. It's the same scheme but with a slight twist to it.

If you must have a sacrificial goat. I don't see how Nagy would satisfy. It won't

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You know what would be an interesting approach? To hire Josh McDaniels as the new OC. Yeah, he is a shitty head coach and equally as shitty of a human being but the guy is an elite playcaller.

The buck stops with Andy. I think Veach & Nagy are both Andy's puppets. The high school age WR coach was Andy's choice as well.

Reid should heve fired Nagy and Embree after Raiders game.

If EB was OC and producing this bowel movement of an offense I'd love know what everybody would be saying... Oh wait go back to the GDT from the afc championship game 2 years ago

Fugg no! Elite play caller? Keep that jack off away from here.

Why? Is Lane Kiffin not available?

Same dislikeable dude. I can't see Andy sharing duties with anyone like that.

You're not gonna fire Andy Reid. You can fire Nagy, Embree and Heck.

Andy is not gonna fire those guys. Gotta hope they can find better players, but I'm not super confident about that after the poor evaluations on MVS, Toney, Skyy Moore, Hardman, Jawaan Taylor, etc.

Same people bitched and moaned for Andy to fire Toub last year bc ST's struggled due to Butker's injury and Skyy being a terrible returner with no experience.

Now our ST's looks like one of the best in the league this year.

Same people wanted Bieniemy fired 2 years ago. Nagy's the target this year.

Not true... Nagy is the target because he terrible.

Nagy's offensive scheme was a masterpiece with the limited drives we had all game long. Andy mentioned this in the presser of Nagy being involved in the playcalling.

Nah, the reason why our offense is starting to get some rhythm back is because Andy directly has taken over the play calling IMO. When Andy mentions staff's name(particularly offensive staff) in these press conferences you can bet Andy IS SIGNIFICANTLY ASSISTING(calling the shots on game prep and play calling) IMO.

When play calling and executions works: Andy

When playcalling and execution doesn't work: EB or Nagy
CP at its finest.

Yeah, I think it's Andy all the time...good or bad.

It used to be but I think Andy gave a lot more rope to Nagy this year than he ever did to EB and it didn't quite work the way Andy thought so "here son let me give you a hand" we can't afford anymore "sputtering" in the offense.;)

What were the evaluations and how were they "poor"?

Either you "BALL" or you don't. Have any of these guys "BALLED" this year especially MVS and Taylor for what they were payed? Toney, Hardman and Moore are on the cheap. But regardless none of these guys have "balled".:shake:

Having Toney and Skyy shelved really helps the offense.

Those guys suck.

Narrowing the playbook has done wonders too. After they did that and contracted the WR rotation the offense is right at the PPG average we've come to expect.

Both "Balled" last night, for sure. Honestly, Taylor has "balled" all season. Hell, we likely don't make/win the SB last season without Toney and Moore.

Saying the evaluations were "poor" without having a clue what the evaluations actually were is lazy fan-talk at best. If one has evidence of what the evaluations actually were, then that's a different story.

Agreed. Andy just allowed too much rope with Nagy allowing this offense to sputter too long. Andy is a "placater personality" which means he does not like conflict and working through it in general. Whereas those other type personalities expect conflict from time to time and deal with it directly. Andy's achilles heel IMO has been not addressing conflict directly and soon enough when manure is happening which is what happened this year with Nagy and the offense IMO.;)

Taylor has not balled all season for the $$ he is being paid and you played at Pitt State?? Where are your football eyes man!!! MVS IS the "Frank Clark" of WRs in the playoffs so far which is good now that we are in the playoffs BUT for the $$ we are $$ paying him and the games we should have won because of his drops this last season? Moore was a great set up(as a nobody to be ignored by the D) and spoon fed in that play in the SB and his lack of play this year proved he is just a JAG if not worse.

I will go out on a limb here and say Toney is not really hurt that bad if hurt at all IMO and is being a coward because he has lost his confidence because he has had an extremely humbling year for all his immature cockiness in the off season that now is coming back to haunt him with his bad play this season. Pure IMMATURITY and ARROGANCE will ALWAYS come back to bite you. And now he hides like a coward. Talented, YES but.........Just saying.:shrug: