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I'll take it... it's ****ing hard beating real SB contenders (and the Ravens weren't one), which is exactly why they didn't beat both the Bills and Bengals in 2021, and why the Bengals didn't beat both the Bills and Chiefs last season. Everyone wants the toughest possible path, but as much as I love :13 and winning the heart attack games, it's not often how SBs are won... they're often won by playing a 6 seed in the AFCCG or getting a bye and then playing a rookie QB in the divisional, etc. Getting breaks is a good thing. |
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Oh hey, look, it's Wharton (98, lined up over 79) being blatantly held in a way that let Lamar through on the Ravens 4th and 1 conversion... which led to BAL's only TD drive on the day. <br><br>Pretending the refs were even sort of the reason BAL lost is dumb. <a href="https://t.co/kRW4a88w3e">pic.twitter.com/kRW4a88w3e</a></p>— Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/1751998108354105804?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 29, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> It's almost as if refs miss stuff, and the good teams find ways to overcome it. |
I never quite understood the Raven's mindset coming into the game. Like why where they so chippy towards the Chiefs? They are the one seed. We are in their house. Act like it. Instead they went all thug-like acting as if this Chiefs team is a house of cards and would crumble if you just got though with it.
I think it was a completely wrong approach. I also ****ing hate Tony Romo and the constant doom and gloom coverage of how the Chiefs should be worried. Oh I can't believe they deferred and elected to give the Ravens the ball. No credit given for the Chiefs walking into that environment and taking the crowd out of that game after forcing a quick three and out and scoring a TD. It was like little brother was all emotional and big brother just ****ing shoved him to the side. |
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BUT I think the Ravens were overmatched. You can argue that most of those penalties were a result of us bullying them. Kelce baited that PF on Van Noy by getting in his head, as did Sneed with Zay Flowers. Travis Jones was clearly trying to hurt our QB with his punch PF. Roquan Smith’s PF was a strategic play by the Ravens to try to get the ball back as we were looking to salt the game away. The turnovers we got, two were forced and one was expected (Lamar will throw you at last one). Bolton dropped another easy one. And we were clearly in Harbaugh’s head, which is why he abandoned the run basically from the beginning. |
We also benefited by them allowing our corners to be handsy. If it was officiated like the Tampa Superbowl...we lose. Alot of contact on deep passes they let go.
Crazy how only Brady got those prayer chuck PIs in the playoffs. Otherwise it's...let them play! Have I mentioned how bad we got ****ed against Tampa again... |
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Some of those flags were pretty weak, especially in a playoff game. But the taunting flag was legit. Incredibly dumb play by Flowers in that moment. And we did commit DPI on that INT that wasn't flagged. But the refs effed up both ways; ultimately BAL just committed more dumb frustration penalties than KC. |
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Sometimes that ends up costing us in the regular season, but refs absolutely let things go a little more in the postseason. It's almost like they coach our guys to win in the playoffs rather than the regular season... |
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Like Baltimore did. They stretched the rules during the play - which both teams got away with... |
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Or Clowney going helmet to helmet with Pat after the ball was thrown? And if you're going to call those "weak" while saying "we did commit PI on that INT that wasn't flagged" you're completely full of ****ing shit. |
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"It's almost as if refs miss stuff, and the good teams find ways to overcome it." Perfectly stated.:clap: |
Good discussion. And I agree.
I have trouble getting there. It's hard for me to shut off the "always attack" part of my brain, but it's the move. On Lamar's fumble, Omenihu beat his dude like a rented mule and caused the fumble. KICK ASS. In the moment I was epic ****ing furious because Karlaftis overrushed and opened up a wide ass lane Lamar should have run through. He got tunnel vision on his dude, but this is the same thing. Make the game tight and make them beat you. What a world we're living in. |
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I don't know if anyone else saw it but Van Noy was calling for a false start penalty pretty much every one of our offensive snaps. He'd be waving his arms at the ref and pointing at our offensive line. |
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It's almost like Andy Reid is smarter than Tony Romo. :shrug: |
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When your own team made more mental mistakes than the officials, and at least half of the mistakes by the officials went in your own team's favor.... It's time to blame your own team and not the refs. <a href="https://t.co/khtX0inAfP">https://t.co/khtX0inAfP</a></p>— Marcus Whitman (@TFG_Football) <a href="https://twitter.com/TFG_Football/status/1752004604928123094?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 29, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Underthrown ducks into triple coverage should NEVER be called PI
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Once a referee gets in between a scuffle, and then you have a half wit like Van Noy come in a head butt a player, they're going to throw a flag 10 outta 10 times. This isn't hard to understand or a weak call. I won't even begin to address the rest of your dumbassery. |
Also, OBJ looks cooked as all hell. Wow
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Guys - we SAW 2 hours later what happens when a team that has the ball on its racket refuses to play to the scoreboard. To me, that's the end of the argument. The Lions were a road underdog and got a double digit lead. The refused to play like it. They did that stupid ****ing thing that coaches often SAY they're gonna do and they "Treated it like a 0-0 game...." Why? It's not. You have a half of the game in the books and you know more about what you're working with than you had coming into the game. You have a lead and some margin to deal with. So USE that knowledge and that margin. You don't get extra points for winning by 10 vs. 7. Don't pretend like it's 0-0. Act like you're up. Go win the game by 1 if that's what it takes. |
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ravens had weapons this time tho LMAO |
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Rashad Bateman is basically dying there also. |
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When he had to turn it on though, 3rd an 9 for a trip to the SB, he was the Grim Reaper again dropping an absolute dime on MVS. Reid mentioned Pat taking the sack to keep clock running and not putting the ball at risk as well. Just gotta trust 15. |
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It's obvious that production turned him into a cartoon. Romo was really good that first year and CBS HATED it. It really sucks...
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The Ravens 2nd half offense had drives of: 1:22 3 plays PUNT 4:34 7 plays PUNT 00:57 5 plays FUMBLE 3:50 12 plays INT 2:26 9 plays FG So the Chiefs had greater TOP in the second half also. I never felt that a two score lead was anything Baltimore could overcome with that QB. |
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I don't agree with that sentiment, I just think the Ravens were in a lot less control than we were. Our defense won that game for us, not Mahomes and Reid's game plan in response to the Ravens being unprepared. We have 6 first downs in the 2nd half, that isn't "full control". |
Milkman (RIP) often said something to the effect of, “I’ll take my chances in the playoffs with a tough defense and a QB who makes the play when he has to.”
Milkman, we’ve got our guy. Beyond our wildest dreams. |
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I can't remember the holding call we got, but they let some more go later. All I really care about is equality, and I think they were pretty equal. That being said, I'd rather them swallow the whistles than throw a bunch of flags. I'm glad they got the personal foul penalties right. I'm not tuning in to watch a prison brawl. I thought this was a decently officiated game, and I'm happy for it. But I'll never understand WTF they're doing. |
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Lol, when did I say either of those flags were weak? Anyway, at least of the holding calls on Taylor was a weak call. The second one, iirc, wasn't holding. The unnecessary roughness on Roquon (when he jumped off-sides and ran into Trey) was kind of weak. The flag against BAL after the altercation between Travis and Queen or whoever was pretty weak for a playoff game. And KC committed DPI at least twice that wasn't called. And there were probably a couple more, but I haven't rewatched the game and I missed part of the first quarter. But again, the refs this season have been terrible, so it's not like any of this was a surprise. |
Chiefs actually had two drives in the second half of 7 and 8 plays respectively that ate up nearly 10 minutes. Both drives stalled out because of a holding penalty and a sack. It was clear that they put an emphasis on keeping the clock moving in the second half, hence all the runs and more conservative pass plays. Shorten the game when you have a defense playing the way the Chiefs D was against an offence that, outside of a couple busted plays, could not move the ball.
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Tic tock. Tic tock. And as we saw Jackson is horrible under pressure. By pass rushers or the pressure in his feeble mind... |
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The Flowers thing even went a step beyond as he pushed Sneed down to do it like going "yea take this bitch"
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he didnt accidentally jump off sides though, it wasnt a normal off sides everyone on the field knew he did it on purpose, and he barreled into trey on purpose had he actually just jumped the line and tapped him, it wouldve been 5 |
Glad we got to see posts like this in the GDT during the 2nd half.
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Yea he did it on purpose to reset the down and distance, that made sense..
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He was trying to twist dudes ankles in piles all day, dude is a piece of shit. |
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1. Lamar 4th down run in the 1st quarter should have been a hold. Blatant hold on Wharton that opened the hole. 2. Both flags on Trey Smith were weak, shouldn't have been called. Especially the second one having just called one. 3. Head butt on Van Noy. Refs had already let a ton of back and forth go, and then a third party comes in and does that. It's well after the play, its blatant, its right in front of the refs, and its a third party coming in to potentially escalate the skirmish. That's getting called every time. 4. Taunting penalty on Flowers. Again, blatant. Pushed a dude down, spun the ball by his head and flexes over him. So blatant its forcing the ref's hand. 5. Connor - should have been DPI on Likely 6. Non PI in the end zone. Sorry, you throw a trash pass into triple coverage and all three DBs are clamouring for the ball, that ain't getting called ever. And its a pretty beta look from the Baltimore fans crying that the refs didn't bail them out and throw a flag in that situation. 7. Unnecessary roughness on Roquan. Again, everyone knows he's trying to take an encroachment penalty. No one is oblivious to that. Just encroach and be done with it. Instead the prick loads up and explodes into the head and face of a defenceless Trey Smith. Absolute cheap shot, hack move by yet another Ravens guy not in control of their emotions. That was a trash play that deserved getting flagged. At the end of the day, the Ravens sent over their kicker to try and play mind games pregame with Mahomes. Think about that for a second. If that's not an all-time beta cuck move I'm not sure what is. |
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Because everyone knew he was jumping on purpose - a 1st down effectively ends the game and 5 yards for an offsides gives them what they wanted. All he had to do was jump early and pat Smith on the shoulders. Instead he ran through the guy. That was as obvious as an unnecessary roughness penalty gets. Dude thought "hey, I'm gonna make them earn this free 5 yards and no harm done because we wanted them at 1st and 10 anyway..." It was a dirty bullshit move. There was nothing at all weak about that call in the context of the play. If that's a legit penalty where he just jumped early - maybe not. But that was clearly intentional and that's what that penalty exists to prevent. |
While this thread has been great discussion and I've enjoyed reading it all...
SiriusXM NFl channel interviewed Mahomes after the game and he basically said almost the exact thing DJ is alluding to, nothing about missing opportunities, not executing etc. so we can take it from the man himself that appears to be what they were in fact doing there. |
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We can decline that penalty, right? If it's a simple offsides, I'm betting we just decline the thing. |
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It reminded me of those 2021 games, like against the Cowboys where neither team really had anything on offense, but the score may have been exactly the same... and it's just uncomfortable for people. I read a few "the offense will have to win this" comments when the Ravens were driving a bit, and sure enough, Lamar throws an interception. I totally get why they're uncomfortable in the sense that crazy shit happens, but just assuming it will happen and the defense will fail is kind of absurd at this point of the season, and against an offense like that... because Chiefs has no bounds. |
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He just taps him, we decline it anyway. He jumps offsides, we get a shot at a free play. Committing the personal foul was the only surefire way to get the result they wanted. I think Harbaugh is a huge douche, but he knows ball. |
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I'm not sure I agree with the legislative intent. In this specific case, Sneed still had ahold of his foot from the tackle. Sneed was needling him. And it worked. Veteran schooled the rookie. What Sneed did is never called. What Flowers did is always called. But I'm not sure they're materially different. |
I don’t know how you can call the Van Noy one weak. He joined an altercation as a third player, anyone with any sense knows there’s a significant chance of getting a flag by doing that.
Staying in control of your emotions and using them in the right way is what winning teams do. Losers do what the ravens did at many points yesterday. |
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Take away either of the holds on Smith and the Chiefs go into halftime up 21-7. Call the trip in the end zone and give KC a safety to go up 19-7 with the ball and about 10 minutes left in the game. At BEST for Baltimore, the Chiefs kill about 2.5 minutes of clock in that spot. But considering KC probably starts with a little better field position (say, the 37 instead of the 25) and only needs about 25-30 yards to get into make-able FG range, it could have been a lot worse. |
Ravens were head hunting Mahomes all day....miracle he didnt get a concussion
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Game manager thread turns into ref thread.
The Chiefs felt (rightly) that Lamar Jackson, while an intriguing player, did not possess the needed QB fundamentals to overcome the Chiefs defense. In the regular season? Yea, maybe he does make the reads and lead them back from 2 scores. But the playoffs? You could feel entire organization had a shirt collar that was shrinking around the neck in real time. That does not mean Baltimore choked. Because they didn’t, IMO. It means the Chiefs strangled the game from them. |
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When I saw the flag, I was kinda pissed because I had no idea who it was against and I felt like it was the officials fault for not getting in there and really breaking that thing up. They let it go a little longer than I expected and then the camera flashed away and a flag came out. Then they showed the replay and I realized the officials WERE in the scrum, had broken it up and then Van Noy got involved after the fact. At that point I withdrew my objection because yeah - that's a penalty folks. You can't enter a scrum AFTER the officials have put a pin in it and then pull the pin back out. You're going to get flagged for that every single time. |
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The interception was a choke. The 2 or 3 balls he had guys on that he simply missed the throw on was a choke. He didn't play at the level he'd played at all season. It's a textbook choke. |
Romo said during the broadcast, "I'm gonna let you in on a little secret" and proceeded to tell us that the Ravens intended on hitting Mahomes on his scrambles. They thought defenses were too nice to him when he ran.
Well, Baltimore, how'd that work out for ya? |
Lamar is a front runner. Getting the lead was so important, which is why I think we saw the Chiefs so aggressive to start. Once they had the two score lead, just let the defense and Lamar do the rest.
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