WTF if true....

Do both?

I'm as pro CJ as anyone, but 3rd contracts for defensive guys just rarely work out.

It's not true

Give the man 30m per year, but fully gaurenteed for 4 years? Dunno about that.

Do we really need to debate the merits of a contract in a fake tweet that there’s absolutely negative probability he’d ever get? With the Chiefs or otherwise?

There’s absolutely no way he would ever top 90mm in guarantees and it’ll probably be 10-20mm lower than that regardless of whom he signs with.

If it had to be necessary to debate something in order to have a thread on it, there would be a lot fewer threads.

Give him $90 million guaranteed. 4 year contract but the 4th year can be canceled without a major dead cap hit. Agents should be happy. Jones has generational changing money for his family. Chiefs can get out if his decline starts early.

Yea I wonder if the sticking point is more the AAV or gaurenteed money.

Where are the Twitter Tards??????

This is going to be a long watch

I hate this so much.

I thought Mahomes retweet of Jones shows he was told the parameters of a deal are in place or someone told him it’s going to work out.

Ban Mahomo during the offseason

Lots of smaller accounts also posting that fake Chris Jones contract.

Please double check before posting here.

Am I reeruned for feeling like $30m AAV is fine but $32m (AKA passing Donald), is not?

Such a fine line and yet I think the precedent you set by folding there might be too much.

If Chris won’t agree during the tampering period move on to other options with your money

Anything legit will be on the official accounts within minutes.

Correct but some just want to be the first to post the news

For say a two year deal I think you could justify over 30m per year. Yep, silly season is upon us.

Yeah listening to Only Weird Games tonight and Nate Taylor is making it sound like Chris wants more than Aaron Donald and I don’t in any way believe that Veach, Andy or Clark want to give him that, rightfully so.

What sucks is Nate said the Houston Texans have more than enough money to do it, which they do. Stroud, Dell and Anderson all on rookie deals.

Make no mistake. The Texans will most likely be our biggest threat, not the Bengals

Let the Texans have them for that contract. We can't make mistakes in fear that someone else will benefit. We need to look at our roster and whats best for the Chiefs. The Bills took a shot at Von Miller, about a year older than Chris, and lost big time with an injury. It's a crapshoot. I love Chris, but hope we don't go much over $28 per for 3 years with a throw away 4th that makes it look better.

I think Chris and Bart both want Chris to retire a Chief. Wouldn’t be surprised at a deal that does just that.get it done and forgetta ‘bout it.

The Texans may well take a big step next year, but they need it to even get to the level the Ravens were.

The Ravens destroyed them twice last year, so it’s pretty clear the Texans were pretty far away from being actual contenders.

Not saying they won’t be a threat this year, but they’ll need to make a big jump.

I want Chris to stay but if he wants Donald money, he’s gone. No way Veach pays him that kind of money.

I agree, hell, I'm a little concerned about $27-28 per, but would cross my fingers and hope he stays healthy.

Why? As obnoxious as he is posting shit where it doesn't belong his are at least usually properly vetted. Should honestly just make him a repository thread to dump tweets into and branch the conversations off from there.

I'd do $30M AAV honestly.

He's worth it. Anything above that, he's gone.

for how long and what guaranteed? I also might be fine if there were incentives that took it to $30m per.

Has Nate Taylor ever been right?

I have no doubt that Jones wants AD money, but the dude has no clue about the Texans or anything else. I keep going back to when he actually said McLaurin might be moved for a 3rd round pick. You have to appreciate him for what he is and what he's clearly not.

You can nitpick and find many instances of people saying things they got wrong….

Nate knows his shit, everyone will tell you he’s plugged in…

So what has he been ahead of the curve on? Name two things.

He’s not Adam Schefter man lol…

You just said he’s plugged in yet you can’t name two things he’s been right about that were consequential and not just basic speculation.

Jones wants more than AD? Shocker. Really going out on a limb. When he signs for 30, Nate Taylor won’t be wrong.

At least you were able to watch the superbowl on OLED though.


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I was watching too and my interpretation was that Nate was saying Chris could argue for over AD money when considering the cap has gone up and Chris is in his prime like AD was, not that Chris has actually requested that yet.

**** you. I never said it was true.

He probably want just that and it will suck when Houston or Indy pay it. They have cheap qbs and the cap space.

Not really. Tampering is legal in three days. If he hasn't signed then its over.

It’s easy for Veach. If Hoes wants that kind of cash you just Sign Christian Wilkins and move on.

I’ve been wondering if we’re lining ourselves up for another Orlando Brown/Jawaan Taylor situation where free agency hits and the Chiefs quickly offer Wilkins a slightly smaller deal than Jones and he snaps it up, leaving CJ on the market.

It would be ruthless but I’ve seen Veach do it already. He’s not paying Donald money, it simply isn’t happening.

It wouldn't be ruthless at all. It would be business. But it's also a sample size of 1 and I'm not convinced he's pivoting to Wilkins for just slightly less. Rather, I think we'd keep Sneed on the tag and look for a handful of DL talent to replace Jones rather than the Wilkins smash signing.

So you posted what you knew was bullshit for..... reasons?

Joel Corry said Chris should get 4 years 130ish with 75 fully guaranteed

I would be all for this. I am sure the chiefs have made a good offer and if you want to draw this out again…well bye.

They’ve got a number and they’re not gonna push past it. I think personally that it’s gonna be around $28-29 million.

If Chris doesn’t agree to that to that then Monday morning you stick to your number and move forward looking for replacements

If he gets offered that much, he will need to decide what’s best for him.

A little less and continuing to be part of history…or slightly more money.

SIGN THE CHRIS JONES

If you overpay for Jones you might have to sacrifice OL next offseason.

Veach ain't doing that.

We either get to keep Jones or we get to keep a lot of really good players. Win-win.

I think you gotta go out and get a good pass rusher if you don't resign Jones.

Deadlines make deals ultimately

Jones can say to his people that he’s thinking about taking higher offers from other teams right now, but when it comes time to put pen to paper and sign yourself up for a new life on a new team elsewhere, it’s not that easy

We’ll see just how sober those drunk parade words were soon enough

A J Epenaza from Buffalo?
Should be reasonable

Well, I think there's reason for optimism. If anything it makes sense to deal Sneed now if indeed the parameters are set on Jones' deal.

You realize those clowns don't know shit right? He's just throwing shit at the wall. That wasn't ANYTHING that came from a legitimate source other than them sniffing their own farts after a pre pod taco bell feast. Twisted is absolutely correct in his earlier assessment m

Nate Taylor is sourced, he has been covering the NFL for a decade.

Right.

He isn't always right but he's is definitely a good source.

Just go sign Wilkins from Miami and be done with it. You'll save a little money to maybe shop for a better free agent WR.

Same goes both ways. If it's only "slightly more" then the Chiefs would have offered that already and it would be signed.

He made the point that by now, his agents already know what other teams would pay for him since that's all they do at the combine other than babysit prospects. And now it's up to the Chiefs to move up to that point not for Chris Jones to move down to theirs.

Jones could always agree to something this weekend or after the start of FA, but it sure seems like we’d know today if he’s coming back.

I’ll be assuming he’s gone if a deal isn’t announced today.

He has to know that we won't wait around for him to make up his mind. We are going to pursue Wilkins - if we arent already. It will be very much like the Juwann Taylor and Brown Jr. situation last off season... If Wilkins is going to come in under, then via con dios.

Good points. I do think Jones might budge a little, but I can’t see it being by a whole lot. One thing KC can’t afford is to get into a bidding war with other teams as they won’t win.

We are not giving Jones the bag he wants. It's been a year, and we haven't caved. Veach is not going to lose 4 guys we need this year and next to keep Jones. It would be stupid to do so.

I will say this:

If the difference between the two in price is 10M AAV or more like I have seen some people suggest... that's a decent quality starter somewhere on the roster shoring up a weaker spot... It does create a quandary of if one move is more beneficial than the other...

What gives you that idea? It's only 2 days left before he can agree to a new deal with another team. Chiefs will 100% wait those two days.

What 4 guys?

Carrington Harrison coming in hot on Dianna Russini saying she said the Chiefs were optimistic about the Chiefs last year the last chance to sign him happened. Also said she is obviously getting the Chris and Sneed 1st rd pick news from the Chiefs.

To me if Chris Jones is still a FA on Monday morning he’s gone

One good thing about DL is that you can address it with volume.

It’s not like LT, where you need one good one. If you can’t have a stud on the DL, several good players can make up for that.

If you don’t have a good LT, you don’t have a good one. You can’t have 4 decent tackles to make up for that.

I meant once FA tampering begins.

I can see him landing with the Texans if he left. Young, up and coming team with a ton of cap space that can easily afford what he is looking for. He could bring a veteran presence to that team. Obviously I want Jones to stay here, but if not then it is what it is. They will adjust accordingly.

The only way this ends bad for the Chiefs is if they screw around with Jones too long and miss other FAs, then don’t sign him.

There are fair arguments to sign or not sign Jones. I think the Chiefs will be okay either way.

This can end bad for Jones if he pulls an OBJ and is forced to take less in a worse situation, because the Chiefs move on and his market isn’t what he hopes (though I’d be shocked if that happened).

The one difference between him and Brown Jr is that OBJ is a RT who is determined to play LT and only being average at it. He overplayed his hand and Veach called his bluff. Jones is still playing at an elite/HOF level and has been pivotal in KCs last two SB wins. He’s gonna get $30 million a year, or a contract that makes it look like that. The big question now is who’s gonna pay it?

Yeah, for sure. I wouldn’t compare them as players by any stretch.

Just comparing how the money went bad for OBJ and it could (though very very unlikely) happen to Jones too.

I think a deal gets done today regardless. And if it doesn’t, the Chiefs will still be fine.

Didn’t OBJ end up getting a deal that secured him more guaranteed money than the Chiefs were offering? At least, that’s my recollection


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So far this whole thing reads to me the same as it did last year. Chris Jones says he wants to stay and gives a big speech at the parade, and Chiefs say they are optimistic, but then nothing gets done. And then Chris Jones trolls on Twitter, which I believe he does because he thinks it puts fan pressure on Veach to meet his demands, and then that has no effect. Rinse, repeat. Right now I do not believe anything will get done. There's no franchise tag or final contract year leverage for the Chiefs, and I doubt that Chris Jones has changed his attitude about what he wants that much since last offseason. Not mad at him about it, he was crucial to all 3 Super Bowl wins so I'll love him forever.

Please no, and I'm a Hawkeye fan.

Time to start treating him like Tyreek, you want the bag, go get your bag, we’ll make it work. Yes our defense will take a step back but we believe in the team, the coaching, the offense, the defense, the CHIEFS. You’re all money, all words, Deuces my man.

tend to agree that if a deal isn't done by Monday, he gone

Tampering happens, they already know what he can get from other teams so why wait unless you plan to leave?

That's where if it's not done by Monday morning the Chiefs need to move on and make sure they sign the other guys they want.

Christian Wilkins is another option at DT

let's say CJ is gone hypothetically....

how do you wanna pivot in FA?

Veach isn't going down without signing guys he thinks are entering their prime

Who are the 25-27 year olds who they think can thrive here?

According to Spotrac, here are the top ten FA DTs based on 2023 AAV:

Chris Jones
DJ Reader
Grover Stewart
Fletcher Cox
Sheldon Rankins
Austin Johnson
DaQuan Jones
Justin Jones
Bryan Mone
Tim Settle

Dorance Armstrong / DE 27 years old
Darnell Mooney / WR 26 years old
Kristian Fulton / CB 26 years old
Yosh Nijman / OT 28 years old
Noah Fant / TE 26 years old
D'Andre Swift / RB 25 years old
Teair Tart / DT 27 years old

This FA class is not good where the Chiefs needs are...

if Chris goes I think I'd strongly consider giving LJ the Jaylon Johnson deal