Its like a casino sports book so viewing, bar/restaurant, open 365. So an option for people not interested in tailgating but want something to do before the game

Those unrepaired potholes will remain if a football team is there or not.

I'll check that out...I wonder how much of a cut the Cardinals get? I wonder how hard it would be for Hunt Midwest to get a gaming license.

So I've been to Arrowhead, but it has been a while.

How viable is it really trying to develop hotels, concerts, flea markets in that area?

Or is this my answer?

It's just a bad area for development. If it had any real value, it would have been done in the past 50 years.

Would be a great spot for an Amazon distribution center or something of the like though.

It is viable for events and concerts...would you rather travel to Bonner SPings for an outdoor concert or a revamped Kaufmann (if you're in Shawnee, I get it). Would you prefer to go to a casino on the riverfront on the Randoph/Birmingham strip, or TSC? All the locations suck, but people have contninued to go for a quarter century. Hotels would not be viable without gambling imho.

Option 1 and 2 and maybe even 3 will want taxpayer money to fund them.

Well if taxpayers are putting up enough money, I suppose that could eventually change the calculation.

But as a concert/event developer, isn't the question usually what is the best site I can find? Not is this site slightly more viable than some other site...

All the locations suck for stadiums? Or there are no possible new locations for events and concerts that don't suck?

So the Chiefs are gonna build an entertainment district at TSC or somewhere in KCMO proper with a sports book and all that fun stuff...

While people like myself that want to place bets still have to drive to Kansas to do so because MO house of reps is full of bumble****s that can't get a bill cleared despite hemorrhaging money to KS. Kinda like those dipshits in KS losing all that sweet weed money to MO. Diff sides of the same coin

Why not start this thing out in say Kansas, at the Legends?? Where you can already build a sportsbook into the stadium and they've got Hollywood Casino right there who's partnered with one of the major books?

You're absolutely right, not ideal, but viewed through the lens of:
1) most importantly, cost effective football stadium (land acquisition, scraping thousands of tons of dirt, utilities etc so expensive in new site)
2) how do I increase revenue streams? Legends already has tenants...it's possible to build some Chiefs-related ancillaries, but they would outright own ALL ancillary entertainment/hotel activities at TSC). Plus Bonner already has outdoor concert for bigger shows nearby.

Yes, there are better sites for entertainment districts, but for a Chiefs-related Dist? I don't know where...OP is family-land, a fantastic place to raise kids, but let's face it, nobody travels OP for nightlife. Same for Northland. To me, the Legends is touristy, corporate, and kid-oriented, plus not centrally located. Maybe that's where they land due to relatively inexpensive acres, it is the only other viable option, but I think it overall be a negative compared to current game day experience.

I think that sums it up pretty nicely actually.

I can't say I'm much of a fan of politicians removing my freedoms for my protection. Not that that's ever worked...

She thinks she's KC Royalty.

If one of the Lucus homeless happens to fling poo at her like she's at the zoo, I'd buy them one of Scho's a $100 lunches.

I’m against paying $13M to a business to relocate, yes.

https://patch.com/georgia/smyrna/cob...hns-hq-battery

You’re either disingenuous or an idiot for not mentioning it. The Braves stadium didn’t attract them. The corporate welfare did.

They should do a rebuild just outside of Jackson county. Like in Odessa

No. If we have to move the stadiums I want Jackson County residents to have a long drive to get there.

The drive through their county and the worsening road conditions and failing businesses will be their punishment. And we could all go into buying some commercial property to be bought out later by big chain restaurants and hotels.

John Sherman is the most broke of all majority baseball owners. Expecting them to be able to pay for a new stadium...anywhere is short sighted. They probably just shouldn't have asked.

Somebody tell Carter Pewterschmidt's wife to STFU.

Bottom-line, from an outside perspective?

Well, she ain’t wrong unless the county does some serious damage control. :hmmm:

Yep, tell them to go pound sand and find another location or city. Sports fan will be shocked when Jackson county passes a tenant relief affordable housing 3/8 cent sales tax to fill the void in 2032...

This is why women should be seen and not heard

We had a good thing goin for years. Then we let them vote.

Lol the funny thing is that isn't not even remotely close to $140/yr for most people. For people to pay $140/yr in these taxes they'd have to spend $37,500 in Jackson County stores. It's much closer to like $30-60 per household.

The stupid things that the Royals and Chiefs let get out as truths and never responded or corrected them was the downfall of this vote. They did a half ass job.

Dudes worth a billion amd gets money from other ventures outside of baseball. He's bringing in at least $20 mil/yr from the team and uses it to get huge tax breaks.

The Chiefs didn't want it to pass, that should be evident at this point...

25 out of 30 in Net Worth of MLB owners.

Even better argument for stadiums not to be publicly financed

If we were a large market I would agree with you. But we arent. Beggars can't be choosers. Smaller markets typically have to face more of a burden in paying for pro stadiums and infrastructure than larger markets because...they have to. Also smaller market teams simply arent as profitable. The owners are still going to be rich and get rich off the teams valuation increasing but this is the world we live in. Choose to live in reality or let Nashville or Texas take one or both of our teams.

Did you happen to read that article I posted about the breakdown of what Clay County was offering to the Royals? Dude who owned the land is one of Sherman's best friends. I would be willing to bet anyone the Royals don't go to Kansas. It will be A. The city of Kansas City finances them with city funds or B. the Royals play on the other side of the river. Kansas would need to pass ATLEAST 1b to get the Royals over. They just rejected expanding Medicare. Good luck getting some state rep on Hays to vote for it.

Lifted from the orig article (other than adding the Chiefs.) Take it up with the author. :(

They shouldn't be publicly financed, but thata the way it goes. To act like the county doesn't benefit from having an NFL and MLB team.

These were the totally necessary upgrades that would definitely not just be for the 1% of Chiefs fans.

“The Chiefs' plan was just as ill-conceived: Renderings of a "reimagined" Arrowhead Stadium featured the very necessary "new endzone suites," "VIP access road," and "VIP entry + canopy."

Yeah, **** all that. If Hunt wants to cater to his fellow super-wealthy fans, he can pay for that without using tax dollars. The revenue generated from $16 cans of beer alone should take care of it.

Could he? Sure. Will he? Nah. Someone will give him the money. It's just a matter of where.

Chiefs just need a more egalitarian upgrade proposal that is separate from the Royals new stadium deal.

Will pass easily.

Kansas City actually has quite an advantage over some metro areas because it is in two states...and a large amount of the population is in 4-5 counties. Some areas the vast majority of the population is not only in one state, but in one or two counties as well. One would think this would help the other areas make a play at the Royals or the Chiefs and keep our boys home.

No doubt in my mind that Hunt’s people are getting the Dallas mayor to make these statements to ratchet up pressure.

This definitely. It wasn't long ago the typical in the know NKC guy was certain the ballpark was coming. Not sure, but I think Sherman is a Northlander.

Ballpark in NKC would be awesome. Have it on the river overlooking downtown. It would be a beautiful view from the seats. The current did it, don’t see why the Royals can’t.

All part of the stadium grift playbook….

Maybe they could move to Belize... **** your miserable.

I used to buy drugs in NKC from some guy named Smarts when I first moved here and lived off of NE Vivion & North Oak Trafficway.

Knollwood apartments baby! 1.8 stars on google

Sherman lives in Mission Hills.

As far as the Clay County option goes, quite a few of the northland politicians and commissioners "in the know" actually thought they had a legitimate shot last fall when it was still up in the air. I'd guess they're back in contact now that the vote failed but I haven't heard anything for certain from those that I know.

Anyone taking your family down there is a fool....unless you pay 100 to park It's become such a cesspool.

NKC is a cool area. It could become KC version of Wrigleyville. Still think downtown would be better though.

Eat a bag of moldy dicks.

I was downtown for business last week. It was like $12 to park for 3 hours.

I’m sure it’s higher closer to Ballpark Village.

He's not gonna only be asking for money to improve his rich friends' game day experience somewhere else though. He's gonna have to ask for enough for an entire stadium somewhere else and I think that would have went over better than asking for money to improve the lives of the wealthy. If it were the just the Chiefs on the ballot and they asked for the same thing they were asking for with this most recent vote, then it probably fails just as bad as it did. However, if he was asking for money to completely revamp the Truman Sports Complex and rebuild another stadium I think it would pass.

How is this grifting? The owners are swindling or tricking the public into giving them money. Is it grifting when a company like Amazon asks a city for tax breaks in order to put a distribution center in their city? This is how business is done. If you don't like it, take your fake as girlfriend and move to Belize.

I’m against corporate welfare at the expense of roads, schools, and taxpayers, yes.

The Shermans live in Sunset Hill between Ward Parkway and Loose Park (KCMO)

This tax money is not at the expense of any of those things. It is minimal to any of the tax payers in Jackson county and everyone who buys anything inside the county pays the tax not just the residents of the county. Roads and schools not being adequately funded has nothing to do with this sales tax that has been existence for many years. If the shitty politicians can't figure out how to take care of these things, get different politicians.

The city didn't budget to be carrying P&L loans for so long. This is exactly what you get when a city bends over for developers, all the risk and very little reward.
And I'm happy that it looks like the city isn't going to add more debt to get out of the current mess.

LMAO... Thinks potholes will be fixed if the 3/8 sales tax goes away...

What risk? It’s a defined tax that is already being paid. It’s not like there is some balloon payment at the end. The teams would be locked into leases for 40 years.

Did you know that Truman sports complex is in debt?

The risk comes to the People with these front loaded sweetheart deals to investors and developers. They all get paid first and then the city is left with the bills. Here's something to get you started; https://www.lincolninst.edu/publicat...dden-costs-tif

I’m not anti-funding Arrowhead improvement.

Just come back with a better plan.

Slagging the voters and threatening to move is weak sauce.

Yet the Chiefs more or less wanted it to fail by their plan and efforts. The Chiefs gained a ton of leverage, and will most likely move to a new venue in Kansas or another county. I hate that, but his could have been locked up for 40 more years...

IMO, all you have to do is look at Power & Light to see the problem; guaranteed returns for the investors and the city makes up the shortfall. There's only so much entertainment money available in the KC area; to take from one to pay the other. Just have a look at Westport and the Plaza to see how the improved entertainment has helped.

Revenue sharing in baseball would make this easier to swallow; as it is, IMO, fans in the small market areas are being penalized and forced to pay because the large market teams don't want an even playing field.

The Power and Light District has been an insane success from a marketing and advertisement standpoint. Puts the city on the map. Whenever there is a Chiefs SB, Royals World Series, World Cup, etc. What do the TV networks show? Power and Light

That sounds exactly like when someone asks me to work for free, "This will be great exposure for you!"

You measure success by the 5 second clips during game broadcasts?

Like the giant bad mitten shuttlecock?

KC Scout statue has been an overwhelming success.

Power & Light and the surrounding streets definitely seemed like the nicer part of the downtown when I visited.

Who knew having a place to film people looking like they're standing around watching tv in a big garage could put a city on the map?

No way the station would have worked for that.

Power & Light and the Crossroads area south of it is a really nice and safe place. It really cleaned up downtown Kansas City.

The economic reality of the Power & Light district:

During Power & Light's lifespan, through April 2022, Kansas City has picked up the tab on at least $167.1 million in total principal and interest payments, an average of $10.4 million a year, the Kansas City Business Journal determined through analysis of city financial reports.

Power & Light's debt service stems from $295 million in bonds the city issued in 2006 to help Baltimore-based The Cordish Cos. build the eight-block, $350 million project. But in all except one fiscal year — 2008, which covered Power & Light's opening — the cocktail of local and state sales, property and earnings tax revenues it pledged to pay off the bonds has fallen short.

[...]

In 2004, the City Council in 2004 approved Power & Light's development terms after reviewing a report from C.H. Johnson Consulting, which concluded that the district would more than cover its debt service using $619 million in new taxes over a 25-year period. To date, revenues available from the district for bond payments have totaled $104 million.

https://www.bizjournals.com/kansasci....html?ana=wdaf

If you've got some time to waste look into Chase Field with a lease up in 3 years with no plan in place (for all you its got to get done in 2 years people)

High level, PHX is worried about the downtown blight an abandoned stadium will bring to downtown and wants to work something out to keep up their downtown destination momentum but the Diamondbacks want a location with more residential/commercial combo thats more the trend (cough Legends cough) and have been pitching other location like Henderson, NV (for leverage)

Plus back in the original 3-1 vote that approved Chase as a downtown stadium one of the 'yes' votes was shot by the opposition. So it can always get worse

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...y/72898676007/

Revolutionized downtown and created momentum for other areas to improve like the River Market and West Bottoms.

P&L seems like the type of area that out-of-towners frequently visit, but locals mostly avoid like the plague (not counting the arena). It's cool to check out once, but there's no need to go back a second time.

Link: https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news...sales-tax-vote

Cordish is Lucy, and KC is Charlie Brown.

Is there a free version?

We get it man, Frank White Sodomized you one day.

Ugh I was just on that site yesterday no problem

Here's an SI version

https://www.si.com/mlb/diamondbacks/...a-stadium-deal

Good

And that stadium is only 25 years old with a retractable roof, restaurant in the outfield, pool in center field... and there was so much drama over the tax at the time, a county employee got shot by a homeless man.

Holding grudges for decades can't to healthy for you, let it go Frank.

I caught a game there last summer and it may have been the saddest sporting event I've attended and my dad used to take me to the NAIA basketball tournament at Kemper when I was a kid

I guess the roof isn't safe to open during any kind of attendance ROFL and the AC is definitely shot