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Hammock Parties 07-31-2024 02:16 PM

NOT. A. CATCH.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Skyy Moore hauls in a nice catch against Trent McDuffie during 1-on-1s. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/KCTV5?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@KCTV5</a> <a href="https://t.co/8F7ChjWEGS">pic.twitter.com/8F7ChjWEGS</a></p>&mdash; Marleah Campbell (@MarleahKCTV5) <a href="https://twitter.com/MarleahKCTV5/status/1818732663580377558?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

DJ's left nut 07-31-2024 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 17609325)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;We can both help each other out&quot; <br><br>Chiefs starting RB Isiah Pacheco coaching up Louis Rees-Zammit is so awesome to see (via <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a>) <a href="https://t.co/1oMMX08jVr">pic.twitter.com/1oMMX08jVr</a></p>&mdash; NFL UK &amp; Ireland (@NFLUKIRE) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFLUKIRE/status/1818622832563438080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Little stuff, man.

"Me as well..."

{goes on to tell Louis how to do it making himself an example}

That's just cool to see. There's so much maturity to how he approached that. I've known CEO's that don't get that done as well as he did that.

Remember fellas - when it works "We did great" and when it doesn't "I messed up"

Knowing when to use "I" makes all the difference in the world when it comes to people giving a shit what you have to say. And having the self-confidence to do it means a lot. Guy doesn't feel like he has to puff his chest out to anybody -- he knows his work speaks for itself.

DJ's left nut 07-31-2024 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17609676)
NOT. A. CATCH.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Skyy Moore hauls in a nice catch against Trent McDuffie during 1-on-1s. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/KCTV5?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@KCTV5</a> <a href="https://t.co/8F7ChjWEGS">pic.twitter.com/8F7ChjWEGS</a></p>&mdash; Marleah Campbell (@MarleahKCTV5) <a href="https://twitter.com/MarleahKCTV5/status/1818732663580377558?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Right foot was OOB after he secured possession.

Sorry Skyy - even when you manage to look good, you still suck.

penguinz 07-31-2024 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 17608968)
Grunhard swore on Petro's show that Kingsley was behind and Morris would be the starter

Nothing Petro says about the Chiefs should ever be taken seriously.

Megatron96 07-31-2024 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17609689)
Right foot was OOB after he secured possession.

Sorry Skyy - even when you manage to look good, you still suck.




Yeah, and to my eye, McDuffie let up for about a stride, letting Skyy get out in front of him like that.

O.city 07-31-2024 03:28 PM

Verderame saying Bolton should be fine.

staylor26 07-31-2024 03:31 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">While Chiefs ILB Nick Bolton left practice earlier today with an elbow injury, I’m told he is expected to be fine.<br><br>Avoiding any serious injury is both pivotal to KC’s defense and for Bolton who, on a personal level, is entering a contract year.</p>&mdash; Matt Verderame (@MattVerderame) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattVerderame/status/1818754000571056560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bl00dyBizkitz 07-31-2024 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17609907)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">While Chiefs ILB Nick Bolton left practice earlier today with an elbow injury, I’m told he is expected to be fine.<br><br>Avoiding any serious injury is both pivotal to KC’s defense and for Bolton who, on a personal level, is entering a contract year.</p>&mdash; Matt Verderame (@MattVerderame) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattVerderame/status/1818754000571056560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Please be true.

In58men 07-31-2024 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 17609915)
Please be true.

Matt definitely has reliable sources, this is good news.

DJ's left nut 07-31-2024 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17609837)
Yeah, and to my eye, McDuffie let up for about a stride, letting Skyy get out in front of him like that.

I think McDuffie was expecting an in-breaking route and didn't anticipate Moore on a vertical.

Because why would you?

I don't think he let up on the play, I think he just mis-read it a little bit. And good ol' Skyy couldn't make him pay for it.

Scooter LaCanforno 07-31-2024 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17609176)
Can’t wait until the first time punt God smashes a punt 75 yards. We’ll all cum in unison

Just don't out kick the coverage.

Megatron96 07-31-2024 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17609952)
I think McDuffie was expecting an in-breaking route and didn't anticipate Moore on a vertical.

Because why would you?

I don't think he let up on the play, I think he just mis-read it a little bit. And good ol' Skyy couldn't make him pay for it.



Lol, that gave me a chuckle. Probably right. just looked like he let up for a sec then started chasing Skyy down. I mean, who knows? Maybe they're trying to boost Skyy's confidence, I don't know. But probably your guess is correct.

saphojunkie 07-31-2024 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17609952)
I think McDuffie was expecting an in-breaking route and didn't anticipate Moore on a vertical.

Because why would you?

I don't think he let up on the play, I think he just mis-read it a little bit. And good ol' Skyy couldn't make him pay for it.

Maybe Skyy has just spent two years setting up defenses to assume he sucks and then BAM! He's good!

6D CHESS, BITCHES

srvy 07-31-2024 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17609689)
Right foot was OOB after he secured possession.

Sorry Skyy - even when you manage to look good, you still suck.

yep

Easy 6 07-31-2024 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 17610040)
Maybe Skyy has just spent two years setting up defenses to assume he sucks and then BAM! He's good!

6D CHESS, BITCHES

ABSOLUTELY

Kiimo 07-31-2024 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 17609741)
Nothing Petro says about the Chiefs should ever be taken seriously.


He definitely has to take contrarian views since Kietzman isn't around anymore to be wrong about literally everything and absorb all that

Coogs 07-31-2024 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17609306)
Look at Kingsley

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Getting the ball into Worthy’s hands on an end around <a href="https://t.co/qc5FWPfGxN">pic.twitter.com/qc5FWPfGxN</a></p>&mdash; EDDIE HIGH (@EddieHigh) <a href="https://twitter.com/EddieHigh/status/1818673896033239395?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


That's pretty darn impressive on Kingsley's part. :clap::clap::clap:

Megatron96 07-31-2024 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 17610132)
That's pretty darn impressive on Kingsley's part. :clap::clap::clap:



Yeah. Looked like a big cat compared to OBJ.

Dante84 07-31-2024 05:23 PM

I love that Andy knows exactly how to use Worthy, too. Same with Mahomes.

It’s not like there’s this whole “let’s see how he fits / what works” with a guy that fast. We literally get to dust off plays from Tyreek days.

RealSNR 07-31-2024 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 17610132)
That's pretty darn impressive on Kingsley's part. :clap::clap::clap:

OBJ and Smith sure as hell weren't doing this shit, and they also weren't always consistent with their pass protection.

It's why I'm actually optimistic that unless whichever young guy is completely abysmal at pass protection, I think this season Mahomes will get the best LT play he's had since Fisher was there. Some of those jet sweeps and screens that were getting modest yards last year are actually going to pop for big gainers because a guy like Sua can make the key block to spring him.

DJ's left nut 07-31-2024 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 17610132)
That's pretty darn impressive on Kingsley's part. :clap::clap::clap:

Athleticism isn’t a problem for him. By all accounts it’s top shelf. If you can get him in space he’s been fantastic.

It’s the phone booth and hand-fighting stuff where he’s been a work in progress. And that’s really where we can’t have an issue.

Mahomes has demonstrated that he can function at a high level with an LT that loses slowly. But when a guy is getting beat fast with a simple rip or swim, that’s not something Mahomes can overcome.

Kingsley can’t get beat quickly but his present deficiency will lead to exactly that.

el borracho 07-31-2024 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17609837)
Yeah, and to my eye, McDuffie let up for about a stride, letting Skyy get out in front of him like that.

Yes, obviously the D is not going 100% in camp. Nobody wants to injure a teammate or get injured themselves.

New World Order 07-31-2024 05:45 PM

Offense gonna be hypeddddd

This team looks very close to 2019

Buehler445 07-31-2024 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17609306)
Look at Kingsley

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Getting the ball into Worthy’s hands on an end around <a href="https://t.co/qc5FWPfGxN">pic.twitter.com/qc5FWPfGxN</a></p>&mdash; EDDIE HIGH (@EddieHigh) <a href="https://twitter.com/EddieHigh/status/1818673896033239395?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Run Youngblood.

BigRedChief 07-31-2024 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 17609915)
Please be true.

Quote:

Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17609936)
Matt definitely has reliable sources, this is good news.

Yep, he;s a trusted source. He always makes it clear when its an opinion on something and its a sourced piece of info.

tredadda 07-31-2024 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 17610143)
I love that Andy knows exactly how to use Worthy, too. Same with Mahomes.

It’s not like there’s this whole “let’s see how he fits / what works” with a guy that fast. We literally get to dust off plays from Tyreek days.

Looks like Wasp might make a return this year which there will be time to run.

JohnnyHammersticks 07-31-2024 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17610139)
Yeah. Looked like a big cat compared to OBJ.

Somebody in here yesterday was saying he looked heavy-footed. Everything I've seen from him so far is the exact opposite. Looks like he moves really fluidly for a big dude. Very light on his feet.

Bump 07-31-2024 06:18 PM

saw an MSN headline that Bolton was seriously injured?

Although those headlines are more clickbaity then youtube videos, so he's probably ok

Megatron96 07-31-2024 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 17610221)
Somebody in here yesterday was saying he looked heavy-footed. Everything I've seen from him so far is the exact opposite. Looks like he moves really fluidly for a big dude. Very light on his feet.



Yah, I don't see a plodder. I mean, compared to a WR, yeah, he ain't a ballerina. But for his size he looks pretty athletic.

Megatron96 07-31-2024 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bump (Post 17610224)
saw an MSN headline that Bolton was seriously injured?

Although those headlines are more clickbaity then youtube videos, so he's probably ok



Tweaked his elbow. Verdamne says he's going to be fine.

Coogs 07-31-2024 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 17610221)
Somebody in here yesterday was saying he looked heavy-footed. Everything I've seen from him so far is the exact opposite. Looks like he moves really fluidly for a big dude. Very light on his feet.

Same. Which makes me optimistic that the concerns DJ posted can be fixed. Possibly sooner than later.

Toad 07-31-2024 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 17609580)
Kingsley will be the starting LT against Balitimore. They’ve made it clear it’s his job to lose.

Kids gonna be really good as he builds chemistry with Thuney and they work on communication regarding inside transition moves that he struggled with in college and had struggled in camp with, as well.

The coaches are well aware of that weakness, as they are giving specific work detail to help him improve in that area.

Kingsley gives this offense something Wanya doesn’t. Ability to move really well in space and get in front of the misdirection, sweeps, screens and other stuff Andy hasn’t been able to call as much with guys like Smith and Brown…but utilized a ton with Fisher.

Nice post

ChiefsFan63 07-31-2024 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17609105)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Punt God is insane. Dude is letting them fly</p>&mdash; EDDIE HIGH (@EddieHigh) <a href="https://twitter.com/EddieHigh/status/1818681941375226012?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

All during the punt portion of practice he was BOMBING kicks. The shortest kick he had was 55 yards, longest was an insane 75. I didn't measure hang time. One or two may have been a little low, but that 75 hung in the air forever. The returners were not having an easy time either with his kicks. He was kicking with the wind at his back. Ariaza's kicking was the most impressive part of the day.

ChiefsFan63 07-31-2024 07:39 PM

Kelvin Joseph had a nice day. A really nice pass breakup vs Skyy Moore.

Cosmos 07-31-2024 07:41 PM

Something to keep in mind is that the coverage team has to run 60-70 yards and will typically be challenged to make up that distance without giving the returner a 15 yard head start…

Covering Ariza’s punts will be a challenge…expect some long returns unless he can put enough air underneath to give coverage team time to make up that ground.

In58men 07-31-2024 08:43 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Xavier Worthy against press. <a href="https://t.co/SbvC66qCiU">pic.twitter.com/SbvC66qCiU</a></p>&mdash; Boorish (@Boorish_Sports) <a href="https://twitter.com/Boorish_Sports/status/1818687092710346878?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

New World Order 07-31-2024 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17610351)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Xavier Worthy against press. <a href="https://t.co/SbvC66qCiU">pic.twitter.com/SbvC66qCiU</a></p>&mdash; Boorish (@Boorish_Sports) <a href="https://twitter.com/Boorish_Sports/status/1818687092710346878?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Eee

Kman34 07-31-2024 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17610351)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Xavier Worthy against press. <a href="https://t.co/SbvC66qCiU">pic.twitter.com/SbvC66qCiU</a></p>&mdash; Boorish (@Boorish_Sports) <a href="https://twitter.com/Boorish_Sports/status/1818687092710346878?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not good.. This is a concern. Andy will get him in motion and hopefully avoid these situations.

Dunerdr 07-31-2024 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cosmos (Post 17610302)
Something to keep in mind is that the coverage team has to run 60-70 yards and will typically be challenged to make up that distance without giving the returner a 15 yard head start…

Covering Ariza’s punts will be a challenge…expect some long returns unless he can put enough air underneath to give coverage team time to make up that ground.

Stop being a pussy. If he can kick it 75 deep he can kick it 55 with massive hang time too.

el borracho 07-31-2024 09:07 PM

Looks like Sneed jamming Hill in the playoffs, lol.

staylor26 07-31-2024 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 17610363)
Not good.. This is a concern. Andy will get him in motion and hopefully avoid these situations.

It's literally one ****ing rep where one guy knocked him off balance and a LB cleaned him up.

We all just saw this happen to Tyreek in the playoffs. It means nothing.

staylor26 07-31-2024 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by el borracho (Post 17610366)
Looks like Sneed jamming Hill in the playoffs, lol.

Beat me to it.

Kman34 07-31-2024 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17610368)
It's literally one ****ing rep where one guy knocked him off balance and a LB cleaned him up.

We all just saw this happen to Tyreek in the playoffs. It means nothing.

I agree but this will be a strategy that will be deployed by defenses.. It really is a risky move because if he beats it.. Its a big play..

Probably an over reaction by me..

ThyKingdomCome15 07-31-2024 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17610351)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Xavier Worthy against press. <a href="https://t.co/SbvC66qCiU">pic.twitter.com/SbvC66qCiU</a></p>&mdash; Boorish (@Boorish_Sports) <a href="https://twitter.com/Boorish_Sports/status/1818687092710346878?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yeah that was in his college tape. If he can shake a little contact we already know he can bake. It's quite the gamble for the DB to play that far up. If you don't get a good jam you're in his highlight reel.

dlphg9 07-31-2024 10:19 PM

Guys are only gonna be able to jam him like that in certain plays and it's gonna lead to him blowing by a guy who is in man coverage against him. Not concerned at all.

In that video that LB isn't able to recover after he does that hit.

Basileus777 08-01-2024 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 17610376)
I agree but this will be a strategy that will be deployed by defenses.. It really is a risky move because if he beats it.. Its a big play..

Probably an over reaction by me..

Most teams don't have the corners to play much press, it's something that could be an issue in certain matchups, but not a huge deal. No one thinks Worthy is going to be a traditional X receiver.

Buehler445 08-01-2024 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 17610473)
Most teams don't have the corners to play much press, it's something that could be an issue in certain matchups, but not a huge deal. No one thinks Worthy is going to be a traditional X receiver.

Yeah and provided everyone is healthy they’re going to have to count on the other corner pressing and staying with Brown.

Honestly I think we’ll see a lot of 2 deep and very little press man. Spags is on our side.

crispystl 08-01-2024 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 17610506)
Yeah and provided everyone is healthy they’re going to have to count on the other corner pressing and staying with Brown.

Honestly I think we’ll see a lot of 2 deep and very little press man. Spags is on our side.

I think we will too. Defenses are going to have to pick their poison against us and they're going to settle for trying to keep everything in front of them and playing bend don't break.

ThaVirus 08-01-2024 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17610351)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Xavier Worthy against press. <a href="https://t.co/SbvC66qCiU">pic.twitter.com/SbvC66qCiU</a></p>&mdash; Boorish (@Boorish_Sports) <a href="https://twitter.com/Boorish_Sports/status/1818687092710346878?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That’ll make him finding work in the red zone more difficult if we don’t put him in motion

Dunerdr 08-01-2024 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17610510)
That’ll make him finding work in the red zone more difficult if we don’t put him in motion

Andy Reid is the king of pre snap. We have a wizard at Qb and if they put their big physical corner on Worthy to bully him Rice and Kelce have a more favorable matchup. A lot of chicken littles in this thread. Teams tried jamming Tyreek early on. This too shall pass.

Rausch 08-01-2024 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 17610506)
Yeah and provided everyone is healthy they’re going to have to count on the other corner pressing and staying with Brown.

Honestly I think we’ll see a lot of 2 deep and very little press man. Spags is on our side.

Yup. There's fewer true "shut down" and press man corners than ever. Everyone wants to prevent the deep stuff with zones in the pass happy NFL. Once you put all that speed out there to stay with these Indy Car WR's you get mauled by TE's and the running game.

After adding all this speed and multiple deep threats I would have loved to add a change of pace phat back. Some later round poor man's Gus Edwards type to beat up on DB's.

Dunerdr 08-01-2024 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 17610522)
Yup. There's fewer true "shut down" and press man corners than ever. Everyone wants to prevent the deep stuff with zones in the pass happy NFL. Once you put all that speed out there to stay with these Indy Car WR's you get mauled by TE's and the running game.

After adding all this speed and multiple deep threats I would have loved to add a change of pace phat back. Some later round poor man's Gus Edwards type to beat up on DB's.

Not many have enough to press Hollywood and Worthy at the same time. Press our 4.22 guy? Heres a 4.3/4 guy. Oh and Rice and Kelce.

Dunerdr 08-01-2024 06:02 AM

As long as you don't have a one read QB like Miami, press isn't that big of a deal.

Rausch 08-01-2024 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17610526)
As long as you don't have a one read QB like Miami, press isn't that big of a deal.

It is if you get pressed to Belieze like Hill did. It's a lot harder to throw open a WR that's on his ass...

ThaVirus 08-01-2024 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17610518)
Andy Reid is the king of pre snap. We have a wizard at Qb and if they put their big physical corner on Worthy to bully him Rice and Kelce have a more favorable matchup. A lot of chicken littles in this thread. Teams tried jamming Tyreek early on. This too shall pass.

I’m not worried about it, but it seems Reid likes to bring Kelce in motion at the snap and you can’t have both him and Worthy moving at the same time. At some point, Worthy will need to work on not getting manhandled at the LoS on his own.

Also, for the record, Tyreek was like 5’8” 185 to Worthy's 5’11” 165. There is a massive difference in weight/build, and presumably strength, between the two.

Rausch 08-01-2024 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17610528)
I’m not worried about it, but it seems Reid likes to bring Kelce in motion at the snap and you can’t have both him and Worthy moving at the same time. At some point, Worthy will need to work on not getting manhandled at the LoS on his own.

Also, for the record, Tyreek was like 5’8” 185 to Worthy's 5’11” 165. There is a massive difference in weight/build and presumably strength between the two.

The same was said about Smith in Philly. They're similar types of WR's who are the exception to the rule...

ThaVirus 08-01-2024 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17610526)
As long as you don't have a one read QB like Miami, press isn't that big of a deal.

That sort of jam is a huge issue for an offense

ThaVirus 08-01-2024 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 17610531)
The same was said about Smith in Philly. They're similar types of WR's who are the exception to the rule...

Same was said because it is a valid concern. That’s the reason you don’t see many 170-pound NFL WRs.

We don’t yet know if Worthy is an exception.

staylor26 08-01-2024 08:45 AM

Here's Tank Dell who's just 5'8" 165 lbs lighting the NFL up last year as a rookie:

https://youtu.be/IQ12zEqSCPo?si=lVzOzeWduDSRPKpY

He's smaller and his game is objectively less physical than Worthy's. How much press coverage do you see in those highlights? If it were that easy to just beat up on the little guys, dudes like Dell wouldn't be coming into the league doing this as rookies.

Dunerdr 08-01-2024 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17610705)
Here's Tank Dell who's just 5'8" 165 lbs lighting the NFL up last year as a rookie:

https://youtu.be/IQ12zEqSCPo?si=lVzOzeWduDSRPKpY

He's smaller and his game is objectively less physical than Worthy's. How much press coverage do you see in those highlights? If it were that easy to just beat up on the little guys, dudes like Dell wouldn't be coming into the league doing this as rookies.

You just cant afford to press guys this fast on every rep if any kind of capable QB is throwing the ball. It worked against Miami for a few reasons. And they didn't hit Tyreek every single play, but it sure was more than most. I really think they knew the keys when it was supposed to be a Hill play. I was watching live and that makes it harder to keep track of it all. But I cant really remember any play where hill was jammed and Tua made any kind of decent play to someone else off of it.

ThaVirus 08-01-2024 08:55 AM

That highlight vid sucks for this conversation. I’m halfway through it and the only play I’ve seen the release was at :55 and he was off-the-ball and in motion.

ThaVirus 08-01-2024 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17610713)
You just cant afford to press guys this fast on every rep if any kind of capable QB is throwing the ball.

This is true, which is why I’m more concerned with this issue inside the red zone. Once the field gets compressed, defenses have a lot more leeway to run press coverages.

staylor26 08-01-2024 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17610720)
That highlight vid sucks for this conversation. I’m halfway through it and the only play I’ve seen the release was at :55 and he was off-the-ball and in motion.

That's because I posted the wrong video:

https://youtu.be/F9reV0lDNJs?si=5PBDnZRbL5ihrf30

We had this discussion in the draft forum before the draft about Worthy specrically. It's a silly thing to be overly concerned about in today's NFL.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Re Worthy being jammed to hell..<br><br>Play was absolutely hilarious and probably will happen a few times.. like it does to almost every faster WR.<br><br>It also took 4 full days of padded practice to get the one clip</p>&mdash; Matt Lane (@Matty_KCSN) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matty_KCSN/status/1819017693883719725?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 1, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

RunKC 08-01-2024 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17610538)
Same was said because it is a valid concern. That’s the reason you don’t see many 170-pound NFL WRs.

We don’t yet know if Worthy is an exception.

You must be blind…

Tank Dell
Devonta Smith
Jordan Addison
Josh Downs
Zay Flowers

All but one of those guys was a rookie last year. All of those WR’s had 700+ receiving yards last season.

duncan_idaho 08-01-2024 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17610510)
That’ll make him finding work in the red zone more difficult if we don’t put him in motion

Why WOULDN'T you put him in motion in the red zone?

I mean, the Chiefs aren't a team that is going to go into the red zone and line up in an 11 set and just run slants out of it.

If they have 3 wideouts out there, they're going to be doing the motion with one of the outside receivers. That can be Worthy.

And honestly, with Kelce and Rice and Wiley on this team, I can't see them running a red zone set that has Worthy on the field where he ISN'T doing something to force the defense to react horizontally.

BigRedChief 08-01-2024 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 17610363)
Not good.. This is a concern. Andy will get him in motion and hopefully avoid these situations.

Yeah, Andy is not going to allow then to do that. He's not an idiot.

ThaVirus 08-01-2024 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17610726)
You must be blind…

Tank Dell
Devonta Smith
Jordan Addison
Josh Downs
Zay Flowers

All but one of those guys was a rookie last year. All of those WR’s had 700+ receiving yards last season.

Yeah, all but one was a rookie. Exactly.

It’s been rare up until recently. These offensive gurus sending guys in motion and strict rule enforcement on defensive toughness/roughness, etc. is the reason we’re seeing these smaller guys popping up more frequently.. because, historically, small receivers in that weight range couldn’t function well in the league.

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17610727)
Why WOULDN'T you put him in motion in the red zone?

I mean, the Chiefs aren't a team that is going to go into the red zone and line up in an 11 set and just run slants out of it.

If they have 3 wideouts out there, they're going to be doing the motion with one of the outside receivers. That can be Worthy.

And honestly, with Kelce and Rice and Wiley on this team, I can't see them running a red zone set that has Worthy on the field where he ISN'T doing something to force the defense to react horizontally.

I’m sure we will, but like I said, at some point he’s going to have to man up and beat the jam on his own.

Also, I don’t have the numbers but we seem to favor sending Kelce in motion.

ThaVirus 08-01-2024 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17610724)
We had this discussion in the draft forum before the draft about Worthy specrically. It's a silly thing to be overly concerned about in today's NFL.

I’m not overly concerned about it.

I did say this after all:

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17610528)
I’m not worried about it...

https://y.yarn.co/956ec291-74a4-455d...8648a_text.gif

staylor26 08-01-2024 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17611153)
I’m not overly concerned about it.

I did say this after all:



https://y.yarn.co/956ec291-74a4-455d...8648a_text.gif

I wasn't necessarily talking about you, because this video had caused a lot of discussion on Twitter.


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