We had a better LT in 2019, 2022, and 2023. And we've never won a SB with a Wanya Morris quality LT.

Reid is one of the best guys this league has ever seen at coaching up OL and is often taking an active role in the process.

Coaching isn't the issue.

Morris just has heavy feet. This sort of thing is going to happen for him against guys with blue chip talent.

But honestly, Donovan Smith has some of the same issues over there. OBJ always did. There are probably 6-8 edge rushers in the league that will torment someone like Wanya Morris . We've played 3 of them so far (Hendrickson, Bosa and Crosby).

Garrett, Parsons and Watt are the other 3 that would give me some concern. Maybe Hutchinson but he's out for the season.

The good news is that the only one of those guys we MIGHT see in the post-season is Watt. I guess we could see Bosa in the SB again but that seems unlikely. I guess maybe Hendrickson again should the Bengals un-**** themselves but that's a long-shot in its own right (and maybe Morris will have more success against him than Kingsley did).

If Morris starts to sink gameplans against teams that DON'T have one of the handful of elite edge rushers in the league, then you've reached critical mass. But that's not what we've seen. Against most guys, he's credible. And credible's about all we're gonna get from anyone we have out there.

Bakhtiari is about the only guy that might provide a clear upgrade when he's healthy and I'm not opposed to giving him a call. But if he's not coming, this is what you've got.

Don’t think Mahomes trusts either tbh. Kingsley has a lot of technique work to do right now though and I don’t think that’s gonna get fixed this year.

Unfortunately Wanya might be our best bet right now

I have noticed that several posters have been down on Wanya for a while now. I didn't think he had been that bad. Sure, he's not been playing like a stud, just ok. Yesterday was not a great game for him. An improvement over Christmas day game, yes, but still below average.

I'm wondering when they will give Kingsley another shot. Would be nice to see him improve and take back the spot this year.

Kingsley was losing fast. And in the same way.

When a guy exposes a weakness that the opponent can just spam, he's gotta sit down. You can't have that.

Now if he's demonstrated some improvement there, give him another shot. But the first guy he faces is going to hit him with that same club/rip and attack that outside shoulder the same way Hendrickson did. And if he doesn't show immediately that's he's developed a plan against it, we're shot.

Because if a guy wins every rep but has to at least work to do it, that's better than a guy just going out there and doing the same thing over and over again with nothing to think about because then he's not even having to execute his secondary moves. You're not taxing him a bit.

Unless/until he doesn't have a spammable weakness, Kingsley can't play.

He's a 3rd round T prospect. There's a few positions that the league has down pretty well on who needs drafted where and tackle is one of them.

The fact that he's this as a 3rd, is...well a success.

If you want a lock down LT....open the pocket book or trade up into QB range.

I'm not a Wanya fan at all. I think he's a G that we're asking to do too much.

And he did play better yesterday than he did in the Christmas game. But when you compare how he played vs. Crosby vs. how Taylor played vs. Crosby in the same game, it's night and day.

He's CLEARLY fringe starter caliber at his best and his realistically a swing OT who should be playing G.

I think yesterday further established that. It wasn't the disaster of last season where he didn't look like he should be on an NFL roster. But it did suggest he's being stretched quite a bit doing what we're doing with him.

Unfortunately, all the decent LT prospects were taken way before we had a chance to draft one. At least 10 OTs went ahead of Kingsley...

Kingsley reminds me so much of Eric Fisher. A guy with the traits and a high ceiling but is a mold of clay needing work whereas Wanya is a higher floor kinda guy that is playable but not a certainty by any means.

Kingsley is more athletic and stronger than Wanya but he just doesn’t know the technique yet. When Trey Hendrickson beat Kingsley it was almost strictly due to technique and leverage every time. Trey knew how to get his hands on him and get leverage immediately.

I remember seeing that in Fisher in 2013 and 2014. This could take a bit but I think the endgame for Kingsley could be a really solid player like Fisher was. We just need patience.

I'm still hoping Kingsley gets another crack here soon, but we all know Andy isn't changing the lineup unless there is injury.

I'm not ready to make a move necessarily, but I would be touching base with Donovan Smith and making sure he's in shape if needed. That would obviously only be needed if Kingsley is still not ready for primetime in their eyes.

I'm going to have to disagree in regards to Morris not sinking game plans. He was getting absolutely worked by the secondary pass rushers as well. Tyree Wilson beat him almost immediately for a sack. Not to mention the holding that was inches away from being a safety.

Hell, the fact that raw as **** Suamataia won the starting job over Morris out of camp despite his myriad of flaws in technique says all it needs to.

Yeah I mean there's two options. Throw Suamataia in and and hopefully get some growth or keep him in.

LT will be a problem for the rest of the season and that's just something we have to gameplan around.

The problem with both these kids is when they lose it's devastatingly fast. And that's why Mahomes is lucky if he can feel it and immediately bail out, otherwise he is going down.

Thank your for mentioning this.

Maybe I’m crazy, but I’m pretty sure I remember Donovan Smith getting his ass whooped in the Super Bowl. Badly.

I don’t think a guy like him (who isn’t an athletic OT) is going to come in without a training camp and be any type of upgrade.

Seems like he’d come in out of shape and struggle as much (likely more).

It will be. It was last year, although almost nonexistent in the playoffs.

What they have going for them is they're likely to play just two home games in really cold weather with a legit rush offense to boot. That's about as good a recipe as you can have to protect a left tackle in those games.

Huh? LT was absolutely a problem in the playoffs, especially once we started playing legit defenses and not the MASH units fielded by Miami and Buffalo. Couldn't score a single point in the second half against Baltimore and the only TD in regulation against San Francisco was off a muffed punt giving us incredible field position.

The only AFC teams that may give the Chiefs trouble with their pass rush is Houston with Will Anderson (and perhaps Pittsburgh with TJ Watt). Both are game wreckers. Buffalo can't rush the passer that well and Baltimore we've handled before.

I think the staff made a mistake there. Kingsley looked way better in camp bc his athleticism was noticeably better. We could run screens way more effectively with him and I think the staff pretty much handed him that role.

Kingsley needs an offseason where he does nothing but work on technique. No draft prep shit most of the offseason like this year. Just focus on becoming a better tackle on the field.

If Kingsley can work himself to Wanya’s current level of play next year as a playable tackle that is steady okay of the time it’s a win for a 2nd year player.

And tbh I think that would really help Wanya. I am so confident that G is the place for Wanya to succeed bc he’s losing on speed rushes on the edge which won’t happen inside.

I don’t think we would see a big drop off at all if Wanya replaced Trey Smith at RG next season

And Chris Jones puts clown shoes on offensive linemen on the regular.. Some guys are special…

I'll give you the Super Bowl, it was a problem at times there. But other than that, it wasn't anything like yesterday was.

And when folks say "Yeah, but Tyree Wilson got a sack!" --- and?

A lot of the sacks Wharton and/or Karlaftis gets are as a result of the gravity of Chris Jones.

Crosby, like Jones, impacts every play he's in for. And those guys get paid a lot for a reason. They're game-wreckers.

And not a lot of teams have 'em.

It's not an ideal situation we find ourselves in but it's the NFL - ideal is never a thing. And we can make this work provided that Morris plays no worse than he's played to this point. What we've gotten from him has been slightly below average.

We can win with that. It won't always be pretty, but we can do it.

It's gonna be Morris and it is what it is, you aren't going to find a LT at the end of October. When you are this team you are either going to have to spend a ****ton of money for the 1 LT that makes it into FA in a 5 year span, make a trade with a team that involves high picks and paying a guy...or trading high into the draft that involves giving up a bunch of picks for a guy with the traits few questions.

If you don't want to do any of those then this is what we get, drafting OT's at the end of rounds on nothing but just athletic ability or raw undeveloped traits and then you pray one of them does develop.

That is what happens when you win a lot.

And even most high pick OTs aren't ready quickly.

The same things that have led to QBs and WRs being more NFL ready than they used to be has simultaneously led to OTs being LESS ready.

There are a lot of bad young OTs in this league. And some of them will be less bad in the future. Fewer still will be genuinely good.

You just have to keep taking the shot. And honestly, that's kinda why it's not a great idea to re-sign Smith and/or Thuney - some of those shots you take will yield guys that CAN be quality starting OGs and if you've bottlenecked that spot on your roster, you're just pissing away draft picks.

Keep gambling -- sooner or later we'll find a quality OT and in the process we'll probably find at least one more quality OG.

But man, apart from QB, there's just not a position out there that's harder to fill or has fewer guys available that can do the job at a high level. You just have to keep trying.

Even trading for a high level player isn’t a guarantee. If that guy gets injured, you’re in really bad shape.

I also just realized that Laremy Tunsil has been penalized 12 times this year already. So, no one is immune to that.

Yep. Let's compare to New England in the years following their initial Super Bowls.

They had a lot of good at left tackle, Solder at times was Pro Bowl-ish. But it was never great. You gotta go out and sign the Trent Williams of the world if you want that, and that's a once in every five to ten year opportunity.

Well yea there is no "sure thing" it just is what it is.

We're winning with the issue so we just have to make it work.

Not sure why people are freaking out… this is not a surprise that our young tackles are struggling.. We all talked about this.. They are playing through this. The plan was getting one of these guys going so we can have a serviceable tackle on a rookie deal..

He had a bad game but overall he's been better than expected. Kingsley looks like Morris did last year, green as a crayon.

To be fair, his PFF grade isn’t far off from Jawaan Taylor's.

JT - 62.6 OVR, 69.2 PASS, 66 RUN = 7 PEN & 1 SCK Allowed

WM - 57 OVR, 55.6 PASS, 54.8 RUN = 2 PEN & 2 SCK Allowed

Certainly room for improvement, but not terrible.

I don't think I'd be too willing to let the interior get worse, I'd like to keep that group together if possible. It just may not be, which is the way of the league.

Also.....Crosby is just a legit player. He's out in the wilderness so I kinda forget about him, but everytime we play them he's just a menace.