5 INTs in the past two weeks...with the post-season in play isn't what you want to see. The ones against the Colts were awful...and in his most meaningful game as a pro.

Like I've said...next year will determine if the Donks finally got their perennial .500 QB of the future or not. They wont get a constant stream of injured teams and bottom feeders.

How he plays these next 3 weeks will tell you something...

In a way, he does. Right now he's playing with training wheels on. Everything is short and quick for him and they can do that because they can count on the defense. How is he going to perform if has to play with the kind of defense Mahomes had in 2018?

best christmas ever

You're saying the offense is dramatically improved?

Is a different offense that plays better. I don’t care about stats comparisons between an offense led by a rookie vs what they had in year 2 of a 12 year veteran. Essentially, that’s the comparison. And they have more wins at this point than they did a year ago. There is a different confidence with this team.

Nah, they just have a better defense LMAO.
That's it.

To whatever extent there's good news to come out of Bonitto turning into a demon, it's that at least he broke out BEFORE he was extension eligible.

Seeing him sign a deal for Danna money and then turn into this absolute game-wrecker would just be annoying as hell.

As it is, they'll likely have to pay him premier Edge money as soon as next season to retain him. So they've burned the value in his rookie deal on seasons that are mostly irrelevant.

I honestly don't see the physical tools in Nix to ever play much differently than he's played this season.

He's never going to be someone that should be powering balls into tight windows 15-20 yards downfield. He's never going to have the precision that Brees had that allowed him to be a razor sharp downfield passer.

He's going to be a JAG who relies on scheme and game script to excel.

He's almost a best case scenario for us. He's Alex Smith when he grows up. That works for me.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BO NIX…My God, you can’t throw it any better than that. <br><br>93yd TD DIME!!!<br> <a href="https://t.co/T57TzXw0yR">pic.twitter.com/T57TzXw0yR</a></p>&mdash; Chase Daniel (@ChaseDaniel) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChaseDaniel/status/1863787288347480556?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 3, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Too soon

So where is the positive? Defense has gotten better but offense has remained the same:shrug:

Nix >>> Mahomes and it’s not close

Dumbass..

Oh simple mind you fail to grasp the intent.

Bo Nix will be Jeff Garcia

This is the most perfect comparison ever. Yes.

Will this be the high point of his career?

Dude has a 50 yard arm.

You see that deep ball he tried to throw last night? He just didn't have anything on it. You have Bronco fans pissed because there wasn't a flag but the real question is how that ball ended up needing contact at the catch point to begin with. He just made a lousy throw.

And as a Chiefs fan, I KNOW lousy deep balls when I see them.

2 TD’s on 2.1 air yards and 1.9 ADOT in the first half LMAO

For reference, Mahomes air yards that people bitched at was nearly twice as much at about 4 air yards.

Holy shit is this bad.


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Yup, that's the throw.

Clean pocket, open throw that easily could've swung the game, and Nix just doesn't have the ass to get it there. Just a god-awful throw.

It looked like Cassel's 'hail mary' from the 30 yard line that doinked off the crossbar. Just no zip on the ball at all despite stepping into it.

Like I said - this guy is a best case scenario for us. He's going to have these guys in QB purgatory for a decade. God I'm looking forward to the extension they give him.

Herbert on the other hand.....yeah he's a problem.

Herbert's always had the talent to be a star.

He just has to get out of his own way.

If Harbaugh is using this season to iron out the wrinkles through lower usage rates and next season he'll take the 'improved' version of Herbert and lean more heavily into him, then yes - LAC will be a headache.

But there's also a chance that he'll just be a highly paid game manager for the duration of the Harbaugh era.

Circumstances are a bigger question than talent with Herbert. And of course mental fortitude. It's Herberts 5th year as a starter. He's entering his prime. It's shit or get off the pot time for him. If he's going to make 'the leap' we'll see it next season or we won't see it at all.

Also of note with Herbert - despite the elite OT play he's getting, he's been sacked 40 times this season. Sometimes QBs get themselves hit - Herbert, despite Harbaugh not asking a ton from him, is a guy that's getting himself hit a bit.

But it will be interesting to see if he can maintain this level of efficiency if his volume gets back up to the 650-700 attempts/season range. He might not even have 500 attempts this season. Harbaugh has really put the governor on him.

Yup. I keep seeing Broncos fans unceremoniously knighting this kid as the next coming and it’s confusing.

He’s not the best rookie QB. He’s not the 2nd best either. No way can anyone with clear eyes watch Jayden Daniels or Drake Maye and think this kid is better. He’s just got the best team/coach right now.

This kid is gonna be a major problem if the Patriots can ever figure out their coach.

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Winchester might shoot that duck from the sideline in week 18

They'll continue to add to the LOS, probably a RB.....maybe a weapon but they're gonna be an issue.

And lets not forget that Williams has been dropped into the worst QB development room in the league while JJ McCarthy hasn't even PLAYED. If the Vikings walk away from Darnold, I see no reason to believe that McCarthy won't pass Nix as soon as next season.

And they're just taking the tarp off Penix in Atlanta.

There's absolutely a chance that Nix ends up the 6th best QB from this class alone.

He's just going to be in that QB14-QB20 range for the next 10 years. It's gonna be glorious.

For who?

He's got all the physical gifts but can't seem to win an actual big game. He's basically Rivers 2.0.

The thing about Herbert is that I'm not completely convinced he's any better now than he was as a rookie.

He just doesn't seem to have developed at all.

This year we've seen a little bit of a change but it's come at the expense of his direct impact on games. What they need to see to get over the hump is that he gets better than he was for the first 4 seasons but with the same sort of use rates.

Otherwise he's just a hyper-talented, very expensive, game manager.

He's thrown 430 passes this year. I don't think that's gonna end up being that much lower than a normal year.

Through 15 games?

Prior to this season he was throwing about 650/yr over 17 games.

500 vs. 650 is a MASSIVE difference. He's throwing 8-10 fewer passes/gm this season.

He's 12 in attempts overall.

Ahead of Josh Allen and Lamar.

looks like 2 QB's may end up with over 600 passing attempts, so it seems passing is down league wide.

Yeah he kinda reminds me of Brock Purdy, but I think Brock is more accurate downfield.

They’re gonna have to follow the Purdy plan and try to load that roster up for him if they ever want to get to the SB. The problem is Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes exist. So does CJ Stroud, Lamar, Justin Herbert and Joe Burrow (if they can ever figure things out around him).

This isn’t the NFC where it’s Goff, Hurts and Love at the top. All the best are in this conference, 2 of which in your division.

They’re facing an uphill battle.

He's also played 1 more game than anyone but Nix (who has 70 more attempts than him).

He's gonna end up in the middle of the pack.

He was top 3 in the league in attempts/gm over his first 4 seasons.

And if you're a top 5 QB, you should be used that way. And Jackson's runs are 'use' just as Allens are. Herbert doesn't get used like that.

Well, for one I can see it being down for the simple reason that when you are throwing it to Josh Palmer and Quinton Johnson, you may opt to run it more that throw it until they can build that up a bit.

I'm sure some will say "If you can't do it without elite help you aren't an elite QB" to which I would respond by saying "read any current Mahomes thread"

Yea. The WR had to stop and wait for the ball to get there. Never a good thing.

But Nix could have released the ball sooner? The protection was good from what I remember?

YIKES! That kids got some skills.

The Broncos have the best OL in the league per the analytics. You saw that last night with Nix getting clean pockets continuously despite facing Bosa/Mack.

He had open WR’s last night. Sutton is a very good #1 caliber player. Mims has been open and he just misses.

I get they could get a talented TE and RB to help him but the bottom line here is how much is that gonna help? I think this is pretty close to the ceiling for him. Might go a bit higher with added talent but at best he’s what?…..The 7th best QB in the conference?

You saw Herbert carry a team with no RB, no TE and one real weapon (McConkey) from an 11 point deficit and score 21 points in the 2nd half to win while Bo Nix could only lead his team to a FG in the 2nd half.

DJ made such a good point about scheme helping Nix. When that goes out the window he’s not near the QB you need.

Eh, I'm not gonna act like they have Saquon Barkley in the backfield either, though.

JK Dobbins looked fine until he broke down (as was expected) and Gus Edwards is...Gus Edwards. He exists.

If your WR and RB rooms look like the Chargers do and you have a 'premier' quarterback under center, you should be leaning on the QB. Especially if you seemingly have the protection taken care of with a plus OL.

And game script will be even more critical than scheme for him.

Can you EVER see a world where Nix does what Mahomes did to the Texans in 2019?

If Bo Nix is ever down 24-0 in a playoff game, turn out the lights because the party is over.

He simply doesn't have enough ways to beat you. He's very athletic and willing to use that mobility. He might be smart and he seems fairly accurate on short passes.

That's....Alex Smith. It's exactly Alex Smith.

That player can be a beloved teammated and winning player. He can be a very good QB. But he's ALWAYS going to be dependent on game script and a superior supporting cast to win games.

If you called him Poverty Lamar, you might not be far off. And the real problem is that Lamar (and Henry) CREATE some of the easy throws that Jackson gets because of just how dynamic a threat Jackson is with his legs.

Well Poverty Lamar doesn't get those easy throws because his legs, while dangerous, aren't so dangerous that you compromise your coverage schemes for it.

Poverty Lamar is Alex Smith. Or Jake Garcia. Or if you reaaaaaaaly squint, maybe you can get to Donovan McNabb?

But he'll never be that Rodgers or Mahomes or Young or even Elway sort who uses his legs to set up elite arm talent. Because he simply doesn't have it. Take away his legs and he's just a completely forgettable ball thrower. He's Jimmy Garoppolo.

Ho-Lee sheeeet

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So he seriously had 32 air yards on 29 completions?

LMAO

Bolas ed himself

I said this last night. Dude is a dink and dunk champion. Literally clean pockets all night throwing the same crossing, screen, and wheel route over and over.

Dude is NOT going to be a problem. Ever.

I was watching the game in snippets and was befuddled as to how the chargers did not commit to stopping the run and clog the short area of the field??
Don't bother playing high two against Blo Dix. Just go ravens every time you play him.

Yup. He's a very very limited player.

Well he completed a deep pass once, so there's that...

Yeah, I just don't see what he does that can keep teams honest. It almost seemed like it took the Chargers an entire half to realize "wait a minute now -- this guy can't beat us past 10 yards..."

And in the 2nd half, the Broncos just didn't do shit.

Nope. He can’t throw deep. ��

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It was a nice throw...now post the INT that cost them the game or the whiff to a wide-open Franklin in OT.

Mom: We have BWillie at home.


BWillie at home:

It was a nice throw. WR was wide open by 5 yards. All it required was to chunk it in the general vicinity of a receiver and let the receiver run underneath it. I mean even a broken clock is right twice a day. It was his broken clock moment.

FWIW, I think the one at the end of regulation to Mims was better. The one where Mims bobbled it and did not have full control until he was out of bounds and they erroneously allowed a touchdown. They were looking to see whether or not it had touched the ground, and totally disregarded the fact that the ball was moving the whole time, and he did not gain full control until he was out of bounds. That was a good throw regardless.

He’s going to make mistakes. He’s still a rookie.
But if you can’t see the potential, I don’t know what to tell you??

He's better than I thought he would be. No doubt about it. Probably never going to be a top-5 guy, but 6-10 is possibly reachable. If you would've told me that after I watched Spencer Rattler outplay him in the Senior Bowl and even in Senior Bowl practices I wouldn't have believed it.

Alex Smith's bastard son.

Riveting stuff

Smith never threw the ball like that in his life LMAO

Bo Nix has "10-year starter" written all over him.

I definitely see the Alex Smith comparison. It means that they will be a fringe playoff team going forward. Hopefully this is their equivalent of the Chiefs from Schottenheimer to Reid they can get their fans hopes up, get to the playoffs once in a while, then go one and done. Perfect.

Coaching is everything in the NFL. Sean Payton was right. His game reminds me of Drew Brees at times.

It's really not.

AlexSmithCanThrowTheDeepBall.mp4

Queue it ip!! Smith to Tyreek was magical

He has all day to throw, dinks and dunks, and there’s limited tape on him. Look at stroud this year and his rookie year blows nix out of the water. Actually Nix’s stats are nearly identical to Caleb Williams this year and yet he’s a bust. Sorry not sold on Nix at all.

Won't he be like 39 at the end of that?

Smith never threw the ball 70 ****ing yards.

So, Andy Dalton 2.0?

Bo Nix will be 25 in 2 months.

Classic maxed out rookie.

Elway1990 needs to fire up a thread "Nix vs. Smith" on donkplanet.com

That doesn't mean he will suck. Bo Nixx is a good football player. There is no reason to believe he won't get better.

Alex did make accurate passes consistently while Nix is terrible passing further than 10 yards downfield.

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Classic Chiefsplanet

If he’s not Mahomes, he sucks

Correct.

Classic Deberg

If he’s better than an a corpse, LOOK OUT KC AND MAHOMES!!!!! HES GONNA BE PROBLEM!!!!!!!

Reminds me of CBS postgame:


BURROW!! ALLEN!! JACKSON!!

ya, hat tip to Mahomes/Reid

BURROW!! ALLEN!! JACKSON!!