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Bowser 03-16-2025 04:33 PM

From PFN -

Traded pick 63 to the 49ers for picks 75 and 100


31) Derrick Harmon - DT, Oregon

66) TreVeyon Henderson - RB, Ohio State

75) Jalen Royals - RB, Utah State

95) Ashton Gillotte - EDGE, Louisville

100) Logan Brown - OT, Kansas

133) Lathon Ransom - S, Ohio State

251) Nick Martin - LB, Oklahoma State

257) RJ Oben - EDGE, Notre Dame

Bowser 03-16-2025 04:34 PM

From PFN -

Traded pick 63 to the 49ers for picks 75 and 100


31) Derrick Harmon - DT, Oregon

66) TreVeyon Henderson - RB, Ohio State

75) Jalen Royals - RB, Utah State

95) Ashton Gillotte - EDGE, Louisville

100) Logan Brown - OT, Kansas

133) Lathon Ransom - S, Ohio State

251) Nick Martin - LB, Oklahoma State

257) RJ Oben - EDGE, Notre Dame

Chief Roundup 03-16-2025 06:35 PM

you know we are not drafting two RB let alone with our 2cd and top of 3rd round picks.

Bowser 03-16-2025 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 18000687)
you know we are not drafting two RB let alone with our 2cd and top of 3rd round picks.

That's my screw up - Jalen Royals is a wide receiver from Utah State. And I hope they really do nab him.

el borracho 03-18-2025 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedinTexas (Post 18000366)
...I've found that virtually every time I run a mock there are a couple of DTs that fall to us that would be acceptable. Then at our 2nd pick, we seem to always have an acceptable OT or Edge available...

I have the opposite when running mocks- always a DT I like available at 63 but often not an Edge player. Who are the 2nd round Edge players that you like?

RedinTexas 03-18-2025 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by el borracho (Post 18002097)
I have the opposite when running mocks- always a DT I like available at 63 but often not an Edge player. Who are the 2nd round Edge players that you like?

I should have waited to post that. I'd only really just gotten started running some mocks. I'm trying to vary it up with various simulators and I'm tending to find that if we take an OT with our first pick, we're having trouble with finding an appropriate DT for the pick number afterward. So, if someone drops to us at OT for our first pick, we're probably going to have to try to either trade up or down for a DT, or look at another position and draft DT later.

I'm not a good source for who is actually a good pick or not at Edge. I'm relying to heavily on their Big Boards to try to gauge what would be an appropriate pick. I'm hoping to have some better opinions by draft day.

Couch-Potato 03-18-2025 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by el borracho (Post 18002097)
I have the opposite when running mocks- always a DT I like available at 63 but often not an Edge player. Who are the 2nd round Edge players that you like?

Mike Green in the event he falls due to questionable accusations but he’s probably going way before our 2nd round pick, and likely in the 1st

RedinTexas 03-19-2025 09:33 AM

One thing I dislike in the draft simulators is that it never offers trades from teams that are wanting to trade down. Every trade offer I receive is from another team trying to trade up.

Couch-Potato 03-20-2025 06:41 PM

PICK: 31 RND: 1 (KC)
Derrick Harmon
DT Oregon
*CJ clone

PICK: 63 RND: 2 (KC)
Tre Harris
WR Ole Miss
*Taller outside WR

PICK: 66 RND: 3 (KC)
Donovan Jackson
OT Ohio State
*New LG

PICK: 110 RND: 4 (KC)
Charles Grant
OT William & Mary
*Developmental OT

PICK: 133 RND: 4 (KC)
Elijah Roberts
DE SMU
*Competition at LE

PICK: 162 RND: 5 (KC)
Bhayshul Tuten
RB Virginia Tech
*Pachecco’s replacement

PICK: 226 RND: 7 (KC)
Dont’e Thorton Jr
WR Tennessee
*Deep threat & return specialist(?)

PICK: 251 RND: 7 (KC)
Cody Lindenberg
LB Minnesota
*WLB depth & special teams player

kccrow 03-20-2025 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 18005129)
PICK: 31 RND: 1 (KC)
Derrick Harmon
DT Oregon

PICK: 63 RND: 2 (KC)
Tre Harris
WR Ole Miss

PICK: 66 RND: 3 (KC)
Donovan Jackson
OT Ohio State

PICK: 110 RND: 4 (KC)
Charles Grant
OT William & Mary

PICK: 133 RND: 4 (KC)
Elijah Roberts
DE SMU

PICK: 162 RND: 5 (KC)
Bhayshul Tuten
RB Virginia Tech

PICK: 226 RND: 7 (KC)
Dont’e Thorton Jr
WR Tennessee

PICK: 251 RND: 7 (KC)
Cody Lindenberg
LB Minnesota

Where are these 4th and 5th rounders coming from (110 & 162)?

RedinTexas 03-20-2025 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18005172)
Where are these 4th and 5th rounders coming from (110 & 162)?

I don't see #95 in there, so he must have traded down with that one.

kccrow 03-20-2025 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedinTexas (Post 18005190)
I don't see #95 in there, so he must have traded down with that one.

Oh yeah, lol thanks

Couch-Potato 03-21-2025 06:50 AM

Yep, traded down.

DraftBuzz Simulator

If Rice is coming off injury and likely to be suspended, Worthy is a bit frail, and Trey Harris has an injury history of his own... I wonder if we couldn’t use Thorton Jr as a return specialist with his 4.3 speed to keep Worthy healthy, not to mention I think he’d be good for the occasional deep target after we lost Watson. He’s starting to gain some recognition, at least on reddit, so I’m starting to doubt he’ll be available in the 7th.

^explanation for 2 WRs taken

Toad 03-21-2025 05:18 PM

3 rounder Trade down with Chicago…

39 Emeka Egbuka
WR | Ohio State

41 Walter Nolen
DL | Mississippi

66 Quinshon Judkins
RB | Ohio State

95 Wyatt Milum
OT | West Virginia

RedinTexas 03-22-2025 07:13 AM

I normally don't like trades on the simulators, but I've shifted some on that. PFN makes it hard to trade when you propose the deal as it will require much more in compensation. If it proposes the deal to me, I get better offers, but nothing ridiculous. They're pretty fair deals, so I accept some trades on PFN.

On the NFL Mock Draft Database Simulator it will let me make ridiculous trades where I get the best end of the deal every time. So I don't like trading on that simulator, but if I do, I only make deals where I propose the trade and the other team always comes out ahead according to a draft chart.

I ran a 4 round mock on PFN.

1-31 - Emeka Ugbuka, WR, Ohio State

2-63 - Traded to SF for 3-75 & 3-100

3-66 - TJ Sanders, DT, South Carolina

3-75 - Andrew Mukuba, S, Texas

3-95 - Cam Skattebo, RB, Arizona State

3-100 - Darius Alexander, DT, Toledo

4-133 - Chase Lundt, OT, UConn

Bowser 03-23-2025 10:31 AM

Straight up draft with no BS trades from NFLMDS


31) Josh Conerly - OT, Oregon

63) TreyVeyon Henderson - RB, Ohio State

66) TJ Sanders - DL, South Carolina

95) Jalen Royals - WR, Utah State

133) Ashton Gillotte - EDGE, Louisville

226) Dante Trader Jr. - S, Maryland

251) Cody Simon - LB, Ohio State

257) Bilhal Kone - CB, Western Michigan

bigjosh 03-23-2025 10:35 AM

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I cant get over how much hampton would unlock this offense.


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Bowser 03-23-2025 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjosh (Post 18007725)
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I cant get over how much hampton would unlock this offense.

He was there in my mock, and I almost took him. After watching his pass pro vid, I wouldn't hate the thought of him being the pick, even if I'm still gun shy with a first round RB after CEH.

bigjosh 03-23-2025 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 18007728)
He was there in my mock, and I almost took him. After watching his pass pro vid, I wouldn't hate the thought of him being the pick, even if I'm still gun shy with a first round RB after CEH.


I honestly dont think we have a shot at hampton. He and jeanty are going to go early like bijan andgibbs did a couple years ago.

I think the resurgence of the rb position this year will get teams taking these guys earlier.


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Cooter Bailey 03-23-2025 12:54 PM

31
Kenneth Grant
DL | Michigan
A+

63
Quinshon Judkins
RB | Ohio State
A

68
Tate Ratledge
IOL | Georgia
A

95
Jared Ivey
EDGE | Mississippi
B+

133
Tai Felton
WR | Maryland

143
Jamaree Caldwell
DL | Oregon
B+

215
R.J. Mickens
S | Clemson
A+

226
Dont'e Thornton
WR | Tennessee
B+

251
Mello Dotson
CB | Kansas
A

257
C.J. Dippre
TE | Alabama

Snerd 03-24-2025 09:11 AM

31 Kenneth Grant DL | Michigan
63 J.T. Tuimoloau EDGE | Ohio State
66 Quinshon Judkins RB | Ohio State
95 Jalen Royals WR | Utah State
133 Jacob Parrish CB | Kansas State
226 Logan Brown OT | Kansas
251 Carson Vinson IOL | Alabama A&M
257 Hunter Wohler S | Wisconsin

I don't think Grant, Tuimoloau and Vinson will fall to where they did in this NFLMBS mock, but it would be nice.

Snerd 03-24-2025 12:03 PM

In the latest episode of "Things That Won't Happen", we bring you this PFN mock draft, where Omarion Hampton falls to the Chiefs at pick 63:

31 Kenneth Grant DL | Michigan
63 Omarion Hampton RB | North Carolina
66 Carson Schwesinger LB | UCLA
95 Jordan Burch Edge | Oregon
133 Logan Brown OT | Kansas
226 Dante Trader Jr. S | Maryland
251 Jason Marshall Jr. CB | Florida
257 Theo Wease Jr. WR | Missouri

Couch-Potato 03-24-2025 01:57 PM

Looks very solid Snerd, can't decide which I like better.

Wallymo 03-26-2025 09:15 AM

Ugh. I'm terrible at this. My normal habit is to wait until the Chiefs draft a player and then read everything that has ever been written about him. Outside the first round, pretty much everything I know about these college kids comes from this board or the Athletic. After trades, my picks are below. By the end I was just drafting positional need.

31. Emeka Egbuka, WR Ohio State
65. Treyvon Henderson, RB Ohio State
66. Cameron Williams, OT Texas
100. Elijah Arroyo, TE Miami
133. Dont'e Thornton, WR Tennessee
160. Brashard Smith, RB SMU
226. Kobe King, LB Penn State
246. Patrick Jenkins, DT Tulane
251. Alijah Huzzie, CB North Carolina
257. Willie Lampkin, OG North Carolina

bigjosh 03-26-2025 09:29 AM

The great offensive reset draft

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Rain Man 03-26-2025 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snerd (Post 18008555)
In the latest episode of "Things That Won't Happen", we bring you this PFN mock draft, where Omarion Hampton falls to the Chiefs at pick 63:

31 Kenneth Grant DL | Michigan
63 Omarion Hampton RB | North Carolina
66 Carson Schwesinger LB | UCLA
95 Jordan Burch Edge | Oregon
133 Logan Brown OT | Kansas
226 Dante Trader Jr. S | Maryland
251 Jason Marshall Jr. CB | Florida
257 Theo Wease Jr. WR | Missouri

I really like the layout of the PFN board, so I play with that one a lot. They've got some randomness built in, which I like. I've run probably 200 iterations, and in one of them Jeanty actually snuck down to the 31 spot. Maybe in that universe he went drag racing with Jalen Carter or something. I went ahead and grabbed him.

RedinTexas 03-26-2025 12:45 PM

I tried accepting trades for future draft picks on PFN with the idea that I would use them to trade back up where I wanted, but it's really difficult to trade them in a trade-up. I find it difficult to trade up at all on PFN, but it seems like PFN heavily discounts future picks when analyzing trades.

kccrow 03-26-2025 01:15 PM

PFN garbage. Traded down in the 4th to pick up a high 7th.

31.
NFL-team-logo
Josh Conerly Jr.
OT Oregon
63.
NFL-team-logo
TreVeyon Henderson
RB Ohio State
66.
NFL-team-logo
Darius Alexander
DT Toledo
95.
NFL-team-logo
Chris Paul Jr.
LB Ole Miss
138.
NFL-team-logo
Elijah Roberts
DT SMU
trade-icon
226.
NFL-team-logo
Vernon Broughton
DT Texas
227.
NFL-team-logo
Cody Simon
LB Ohio State
trade-icon
251.
NFL-team-logo
Shamari Simmons
S Arizona State
257.
NFL-team-logo
Jordan Watkins
WR Mississippi

RedinTexas 03-26-2025 01:20 PM

I ran a 7 round mock on PFN with the goal of trading down from #31 and hoping to pick up a couple of picks in the mid/late 2nd round. On PFN I've seen Walter Nolen fall to that area nearly every time, and if not him, then someone like Kenneth Grant.

Trade picks #31 and #133 to New England for picks #38 and #69.
38 - Walter Nolen, DT
Trade pick #63 to Carolina for #64 and #146
64 - Elic Ayomanor, WR
66 - TJ Sanders, DT
Trade pick #69 and 2026 4th rd pick to New Orleans for #71 and 2026 3rd rd pick
71 - Marcus Mbow, OT
95 - Kevin Winston, S
146 - RJ Harvey, RB
226 - Hunter Wohler, S
251 - Elijah Williams, Edge
257 - Trevor Etienne, RB
2026 - Traded away 4th rounder and picked up New Orleans 3rd rounder

kccrow 03-26-2025 01:39 PM

IMHO, Walter Nolen is a better pure prospect than Jalen Carter was coming out. Only reason he's getting any knockdowns is character flags. Carter had them, too, and still went #9. Any dream of Nolen going in the 2nd should be lit on fire and doused in antifreeze.

I'll shit myself if he makes it beyond #13 overall.

RedinTexas 03-26-2025 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18010734)
IMHO, Walter Nolen is a better pure prospect than Jalen Carter was coming out. Only reason he's getting any knockdowns is character flags. Carter had them, too, and still went #9. Any dream of Nolen going in the 2nd should be lit on fire and doused in antifreeze.

I'll shit myself if he makes it beyond #13 overall.

Yeah, but I can't make the simulator play like I think it should.

RedinTexas 03-29-2025 10:46 AM

I've found a way to manipulate the PFN simulator in trades. When proposing a trade the simulator demands a stiff premium and discounts future picks pretty heavily. When the simulator proposes the trade it assumes the premium should go to me, but it doesn't always offer a nice premium. The underlying assumption about who deserves a premium in the trade is still there though.

Furthermore, if you try to counter-offer on the trade the simulator does not delete the original trade offer when it declines your counter-offer. So, you can make many counter-offers as you slowly step up the amounts until you find something the simulator will accept.

Additionally, since the simulator appears to discount future picks pretty heavily, you can make some nice trade-ups in future picks, eg trading a future KC 3rd for the opponent's future 2nd. On top of that it doesn't much mind making trades for future picks in the same round, so when trading with a team that should be worse than the Chiefs, it's easy to add in a KC 1st for their 1st. It looks to me like moving up in next year's draft, but apparently looks to the simulator like a break even deal.

ETA - Yeah, swapping picks in the same round appears to be no problem for the simulator. I was able to trade away all of KC's draft picks in 2026 to Seattle and NYG in exchange for theirs. I ended up with only KC's 7th round pick, but I have the Giants picks in the first 6 rounds. It seems like a pretty significant tradeup to me, but the simulator didn't seem to care.

Couch-Potato 03-29-2025 02:35 PM

Let’s secure the trenches mock

31.
Josh Simmons
OT Ohio State

63.
Tate Ratledge
OG Georgia

66.
Alfred Collins
DT Texas

95.
Jordan Burch
EDGE Oregon

133.
David Walker
EDGE Central Arkansas

226.
Raheim Sanders
RB South Carolina

251.
Theo Wease Jr.
WR Missouri

257.
O’Donnell Fortune
CB South Carolina

Couch-Potato 03-31-2025 03:52 PM

ESPN

Round 1, Pick 31
Josh Conerly Jr.
Oregon
OT

Round 2, Pick 63
TreVeyon Henderson
Ohio State
RB

Round 3, Pick 66
JT Tuimoloau
Ohio State
EDGE

Round 3, Pick 95
Tate Ratledge
Georgia
C/G

Round 4, Pick 133
Kyle Williams
Washington St.
WR

Round 7, Pick 226
Cody Lindenberg
Minnesota
LB

Round 7, Pick 251
O'Donnell Fortune
South Carolina
CB

Round 7, Pick 257
Yahya Black
Iowa
DT


This would be awesome!

kccrow 03-31-2025 10:33 PM

Starting to appreciate these more to play with scenarios than worry as much about them probably being way off on rankings. Kudos for adding the ESPN one to the mix. It seems to suck about as much shit as the rest, was hoping it'd be a tad better. But maybe there will be hope for it.

The one I did with that is:
1-31 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon
2-63 - Carson Schwesinger, LB, UCLA
3-66 - Jaylin Noel, WR, Iowa State
3-95 - Cam Skattebo, RB, Arizona State
4-133 - Kyle Kennard, DE, South Carolina
7-226 - Dorian Strong, CB, Virginia Tech
7-251 - Shamari Simmons, DB, Arizona State
7-256 - Jay Toia, DT, UCLA

el borracho 04-01-2025 10:33 AM

PFN with trades and somehow Mike Green still available at 50... we should be so lucky

50. Mike Green Edge
52. Trey Amos Cornerback
63. TJ Sanders Defensive Tackle
66. Quinshon Judkins Running Back
107. Tai Felton Wide Receiver
126. Charles Grant Offensive Tackle

Bowser 04-01-2025 05:27 PM

Gave the ESPN simulator a whirl. I'll say it's not very realistic that the players that were available for me are going to be available when the draft goes down, but I do like the feature that shows the percentage of that player being available at that pick and the odds they'll be available at your next pick.

31) Derick Harmon - DT, Oregon
44% chance of availability

63) TreVeon Henderson - RB, Ohio State
20% chance

66) Jalen Royals - WR, Utah State
75%

95) Logan Brown - OT, Kansas
93%

133) Jalen Reed - S, Penn State
33%

226) Tommi Hill - CB, Nebraska
68%

251) Drew Kendall - C/OG, Boston College
88%

257) Cody Lindenberg - LB, Minnesota
<5%

RedinTexas 04-02-2025 11:56 AM

I ran a 7 round mock on PFN and there's just no getting around some of the odd rankings. I traded down twice into the middle/late 2nd round.

Traded #31 & #257 to 49ers for #43 & #75

Traded #43, #95, & 2026 KC 3rd to Arizona for #47 & #55

47 - Conerly OT

55 - Tuimolau Edge

63 - Treveyon Henderson RB

66 - Alexander DT

75 - Bech WR

133 - Skattebo RB

226 - Ingram-Dawkins DT

251 - Woodson S

I wouldn't have taken 2 running backs, but when Skattebo was available at #133 I couldn't pass him up. I figured that a good GM would be able to trade one or the other, or even trade one of our current backs.

Rain Man 04-02-2025 05:20 PM

The ESPN simulator is very friendly about trading down one spot. Other teams look at those offers if they're orangutans watching a magic trick. With a little patience, I converted the Chiefs draft into 18 picks, including a bunch of middle rounders. (I can't figure out how to paste the actual draft, but it was an impressive haul.)

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Chris Meck 04-06-2025 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18010686)
PFN garbage. Traded down in the 4th to pick up a high 7th.

31.
NFL-team-logo
Josh Conerly Jr.
OT Oregon
63.
NFL-team-logo
TreVeyon Henderson
RB Ohio State
66.
NFL-team-logo
Darius Alexander
DT Toledo
95.
NFL-team-logo
Chris Paul Jr.
LB Ole Miss
138.
NFL-team-logo
Elijah Roberts
DT SMU
trade-icon
226.
NFL-team-logo
Vernon Broughton
DT Texas
227.
NFL-team-logo
Cody Simon
LB Ohio State
trade-icon
251.
NFL-team-logo
Shamari Simmons
S Arizona State
257.
NFL-team-logo
Jordan Watkins
WR Mississippi



I've run all of the mock machines pretty much every year, it's a morning coffee ritual for me post-season. Some years, there seems to be a consensus on players at least in the early rounds as far as maybe within 20 or so spots.

This year, they seem to be all over the place.

Which of these mock sites tend to be most accurate?

kccrow 04-06-2025 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 18021422)
I've run all of the mock machines pretty much every year, it's a morning coffee ritual for me post-season. Some years, there seems to be a consensus on players at least in the early rounds as far as maybe within 20 or so spots.

This year, they seem to be all over the place.

Which of these mock sites tend to be most accurate?

Good question. I don't think any of them are ever overly accurate but this year it's like woah... I don't see things the same way. PFF might be the "best", though I don't subscribe so I only get the 1st 3 rounds.

smithandrew051 04-06-2025 07:11 PM

The one nice thing about PFF’s is that you can change the levers to increase things like drafting for need, randomness, etc.

WichitaChief 04-06-2025 09:06 PM

Didn't intend on going this O heavy but the chips fell this way. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...c490f423f5.jpg

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CatfishBob2 04-09-2025 12:57 PM

Traded 31st with Atl for #46, #118 and a future 2nd

46.
TreVeyon Henderson
RB Ohio State

63.
Darius Alexander
DT Toledo

66.
Charles Grant
OT William & Mary

95.
Antwaun Powell-Ryland
EDGE Virginia Tech

118.
Zah Frazier
CB UTSA

133.
Jack Kiser
LB Notre Dame

226.
Desmond Watson
DT Florida

251.
Rayuan Lane III
S Navy

257.
C.J. Dippre
TE Alabama

Otter 04-09-2025 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 18016791)
Gave the ESPN simulator a whirl. I'll say it's not very realistic that the players that were available for me are going to be available when the draft goes down, but I do like the feature that shows the percentage of that player being available at that pick and the odds they'll be available at your next pick.

31) Derick Harmon - DT, Oregon
44% chance of availability

63) TreVeon Henderson - RB, Ohio State
20% chance


66) Jalen Royals - WR, Utah State
75%

95) Logan Brown - OT, Kansas
93%

133) Jalen Reed - S, Penn State
33%

226) Tommi Hill - CB, Nebraska
68%

251) Drew Kendall - C/OG, Boston College
88%

257) Cody Lindenberg - LB, Minnesota
<5%


Yes Please!

Wallymo 04-11-2025 12:06 PM

I'm pretty skeptical of PFN. I accepted most trades and ended up with the below -- which I would happily take.

63. Jayden Higgins, WR ISU
66. Maxwell Hairston, CB Kentucky
90. Elijah Arroyo, TE Miami
91. Kyle Kennard, Edge South Carolina
95. Ashton Gillotte, Edge Louisville

2026 BUF 2nd
2026 CIN 2nd
2026 TEN 2nd
2026 BAL 3rd
2026 LAR 3rd

Would you give up big swings on Simmons, Conerly, Burden, etc. to fill the coffers for next year? This haul would make a lot of pending free agent decisions easier next year for sure.

BossChief 04-14-2025 09:55 PM

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This would be phenomenal

Bowser 04-17-2025 09:23 AM

The One Week Out Mock! NFLMDS, no trades


31) Kenneth Grant - DL, Michigan

63) Landon Jackson - EDGE, Arkansas

66) Jalen Royals - WR, Utah State

95) Dylan Sampson - RB, Tennessee

133) Logan Brown - OT, Kansas

226) Jordan Hancock - CB, Ohio State

251) Kitan Crawford - S, Nevada

257) Garrett Dellinger - IOL, LSU


I'd be pretty thrilled if it went down similarly to this, even if I think a number of these guys won't be there at those picks. I reached for both Royals and Logan for fear of them not making it to our next pick. I'm iffy on Sampson; he' a fumbler and not an established pass catcher, even though he's exactly the type and mold of RB Andy seems to love.

WichitaChief 04-17-2025 09:33 AM

I'm very easily swayed by the consensus here on the board. This was my new favorite 4 round. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...2070c92a1d.jpg

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Chris Meck 04-20-2025 08:49 AM

This is a LOS scrimmage draft.

31.
Tyleik Williams
DT Ohio State
A perfect running mate for Jonesy. Can play anywhere inside with pass rush upside. Sort of a better day one than Khalen Saunders in his last year in KC type player.

65. I took a slight trade back.
Aireontae Ersery
OT Minnesota
Ersery has a ton of experience, size, and length. He's sort of a OBJ type, but that may well play. If not, he'd be a candidate for RT or inside as that size and length is definitely NFL worthy.

66.
TreVeyon Henderson
RB Ohio State
I kind of wanted to wait for a RB, but he and Judkins were by far the best players on the board at this spot. I went for the more explosive player.

95.
Ozzy Trapilo
OT Boston College
This kid is going to start SOMEWHERE and be a good player. My bet is RT, but maybe guard. I'm throwing numbers at the OT position and figuring it will all work out across the line.

105.
Ashton Gillotte
EDGE Louisville
A more athletic Mike Danna-we've seen this body type work with a high motor in KC. This is a faster, twitchier model.

Chief Roundup 04-20-2025 06:21 PM

31
Walter Nolen
DL | Mississippi
A+
63
J.T. Tuimoloau
EDGE | Ohio State
A+
66
Elijah Arroyo
TE | Miami (FL)
A
95
Jalen Royals
WR | Utah State
A+
133
D.J. Giddens
RB | Kansas State
A+
226
Willie Lampkin
IOL | North Carolina
A+
251
Craig Woodson
S | California
A+
257
Nick Martin
LB | Oklahoma State

duncan_idaho 04-21-2025 09:57 AM

I just ran my first of the week on sticktothemodel.com, which is my new favorite simulator. Check it out! Customizable, good draft board, trade engine is strong and not ridiculous either way.

In this sim, we assume that the Chiefs are able to trade back with a QB-desperate team that wants a falling Jaxson Dart, desperately. They are able to work the Saints and Giants against each other and get an above-fair-value return for 1.31 from New York.

2.34 (Trade: 1.31 for 2.34, 3.65) Josh Conerly, Jr., LT, Oregon.
Though Conerly needs to improve his strength, with the way this board fell he was the best value at this spot. Also considered Luther Burder, WR, Missouri, and J.T. Tuimolau, DE, Ohio State. Harmon, Grant, Nolen were all of the board at 31, as was Simmons (though I would never have picked that dude, as is probably obvious at this point.)

2.63 Jalen Royals, WR, Utah State.
I've become a large fan of Royals, whose twitch and quickness match the KC offense, and who has enough size to play the X role opposite Worthy at the Z and Rice at the Y.

3.65 Jordan Burch, DE, Oregon.
Really liking Burch of late. The size/speed/athleticism/strength are a rare combo. He's big like a Spags DE, but has a lot more twitch and bend. Gimme.

3.66 Deone Walker, DT, Kentucky.
OK, not QUITE what I was looking for at DT in this draft, but with the way the board fell, I would have had to move up in round 2 to get T.J. Sanders, and I didn't like that cost. Walker is a massive human with rare athleticism for his size. He needs some development, but if you get it right he could be a real difference-maker. And, at worst, I think he's a good two-gap plugger like Alfred Collins would have been.

4.112 (trade: NO, 3.95 for 112, 131) Danny Stutsman, LB, Oklahoma.
Options at 95 were really limited to RB, and in this environment I felt good getting value later (sobs as he stares at Bhayshul Tuten). This deal was offered by the Saints, who came up to get an IOL. In Stutsman, I think that's a LB tailor-made for KC. Size, athleticism, noted intelligence. Should be able to handle the WILL nicely, and also be a nice backup green-dot option for Nick Bolton.

4.131 (trade: NO, 3.95 for 112, 131) Caleb Rogers, IOL, Texas Tech.
The second piece of the trade-down from 95, Rogers is a converted T with the athleticism to be a nice fit at LG in the future. Just adding to depth, but he does have starter upside, IMO.

4.133 Trevor Etienne, RB, Georgia
Was hoping I might be able to snag Giddens here, but he was gone. Happy with Etienne, who is a really nice fit in KC's offense as the 3rd down back/receiving back.

7.226 Jason Marshall, Jr., CB, Florida
Marshall is a player I've thought was a KC-style CB. He has all the tools KC likes - size, speed, leaping ability - but has been developed poorly by the Florida coaching circus during his time in Gainesville. I see a guy with the tools that KC's excellent coaching staff can do something with. And with McDuffie, Watson, Fulton, and Williams all in KC for 2025, the Chiefs have some time here. Maybe they get Marshall to start realizing his potential, and when Watson and Williams walk after this year, Marshall is ready to step in?

7.251 Luke Lachey, TE, Iowa.
Speaking of players with whom I've long been enamored, haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaave you met Luke? Lachey is intriguing, with some legit receiving skills. Not sure his athleticism has ever gotten back to what it was as a sophomore, but it's worth a stab this late, IMO.

7.226 Dante Trader, Jr, S, Maryland
Just a DB depth pick. There probably is a more athletic fit somewhere KC would take at this spot instead.

Post-mock depth chart:

QB: Mahomes/Minshew (Oladukon, PS)
RB: Pacheco/Hunt/Etienne (Mitchell can't stay healthy in TC and is cut; Steele to PS)
WR: Rice, Worthy, Brown/Royals, Smith-Schuster, Remigio (Skyy Moore is cut)
TE: Kelce/Gray/Hendershot (Wiley starts year on PUP, Lachey to PS)
OT: Moore, Taylor, Conerly, Morris
OG: Suamataia, Smith/Nourzad, Caliendo, Rogers,
C: Humphrey/Hanson

Offense:25 players

DE: Omenihu, Karlaftis/Anudike-Uzomah, Danna, Burch(Robinson, Harring, Thompson to PS)
DT: Jones, Pennel/Tillery, Walker, (yet-to-be-signed FA to PS)

LB: Bolton, Tranquill, Chenal/ Stutsman, Cochrane, Jones

CB: McDuffie, Watson, Fulton/Williams, Johnson, Roland-Wallace (for ST) (Marshall to PS)
S: Hicks, Cook/Conner, Edwards (Trader to PS)

Defense: 25

K: Butker
P: Araiza
LS: Winchester

There's my final 53. Can certainly quibble over a few spots at the end of the depth chart and who they would keep/who would hit the PS.

Snerd 04-21-2025 11:35 AM

I would take that draft for sure. I like Marshall as well. I take him in pretty much every mock draft because he's always available late, and he does sound like a Spags CB.

DJ's left nut 04-21-2025 03:58 PM

Oh, I do like that simulator a fair bit.

I decided to take a trade down to see what happened and immediately got kicked HARD in the juevos. There were probably 5 guys I liked, figured one of 'em would fall and Denver offered me 49 and 51 for 31.

Ouch. don't do that, Verch.

49: Tuimoloau
51: Savailinaea
63: Norman-Lott
66: Jalen Royals
95: Vernon Broughton
133: DJ Giddins

I don't go beyond 4 these days out of boredom.

That would be a solid haul, don't get me wrong. Just not much that really jumps out as remarkable to me.

kccrow 04-21-2025 06:53 PM

Nice find duncan.

I ran one, turned down the Randomness to 1, Trade Frequency down to 2, Need Value Balance up to 5, and got this:

1-031 - Josh Conerly Jr, OT, Oregon
2-063 - Jaylin Noel, WR, Iowa State
3-073 - Joshua Farmer, DT, Florida State (traded down with NYJ from 66 for 73 and 110)
3-095 - Dylan Sampson, RB, Tennessee
4-110 - Barrett Carter, LB, Clemson
4-133 - Dorian Strong, CB, Virginia Tech
7-226 - C.J. Dippre, TE, Alabama
7-251 - Bryce Cabeldue, OG, Kansas
7-256 - Xavier Carlton, DE, California

duncan_idaho 04-21-2025 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18036761)
Nice find duncan.

I ran one, turned down the Randomness to 1, Trade Frequency down to 2, Need Value Balance up to 5, and got this:

1-031 - Josh Conerly Jr, OT, Oregon
2-063 - Jaylin Noel, WR, Iowa State
3-073 - Joshua Farmer, DT, Florida State (traded down with NYJ from 66 for 73 and 110)
3-095 - Dylan Sampson, RB, Tennessee
4-110 - Barrett Carter, LB, Clemson
4-133 - Dorian Strong, CB, Virginia Tech
7-226 - C.J. Dippre, TE, Alabama
7-251 - Bryce Cabeldue, OG, Kansas
7-256 - Xavier Carlton, DE, California


That’s a nice haul!

Bowser 04-21-2025 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18036761)
Nice find duncan.

I ran one, turned down the Randomness to 1, Trade Frequency down to 2, Need Value Balance up to 5, and got this:

1-031 - Josh Conerly Jr, OT, Oregon
2-063 - Jaylin Noel, WR, Iowa State
3-073 - Joshua Farmer, DT, Florida State (traded down with NYJ from 66 for 73 and 110)
3-095 - Dylan Sampson, RB, Tennessee
4-110 - Barrett Carter, LB, Clemson
4-133 - Dorian Strong, CB, Virginia Tech
7-226 - C.J. Dippre, TE, Alabama
7-251 - Bryce Cabeldue, OG, Kansas
7-256 - Xavier Carlton, DE, California

Yeah, that'd play.

OnTheWarpath15 04-22-2025 07:36 AM

All I'm getting from this sim is that we're gonna have to be pretty aggressive to walk away with Harmon or Nolen.

Fun little tool though. Wish I was as plugged in as I used to be.

kccrow 04-22-2025 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 18037067)
All I'm getting from this sim is that we're gonna have to be pretty aggressive to walk away with Harmon or Nolen.

Fun little tool though. Wish I was as plugged in as I used to be.

I think the prevailing thoughts are that both are top-15 to top-20 talents, but both have issues that could push them down into our range. Nolen with character and Harmon with medicals.

OnTheWarpath15 04-22-2025 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18037152)
I think the prevailing thoughts are that both are top-15 to top-20 talents, but both have issues that could push them down into our range. Nolen with character and Harmon with medicals.

I'm seeing a lot of mocks with us taking Henderson or Judkins as well, and neither of them are getting out of the 50's in Dunc's simulator.

kccrow 04-22-2025 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 18037398)
I'm seeing a lot of mocks with us taking Henderson or Judkins as well, and neither of them are getting out of the 50's in Dunc's simulator.

I had a dream last night that we took him in the 1st round and this place went nuts.

IIRC the next few picks were trading up for Scourton in the 2nd, taking Farmer at 66, then taking Jaylin Lane at WR in the 4th.

Honestly, it seemed very realistic if Veach is being honest with all his talk about putting weapons around Pat and finding guys that can contribute in the return game.

OnTheWarpath15 04-22-2025 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18037504)
I had a dream last night that we took him in the 1st round and this place went nuts.

IIRC the next few picks were trading up for Scourton in the 2nd, taking Farmer at 66, then taking Jaylin Lane at WR in the 4th.

Honestly, it seemed very realistic if Veach is being honest with all his talk about putting weapons around Pat and finding guys that can contribute in the return game.

I tried it with Dunc's sim - it HATED taking Henderson at 31 and Scourton kept going in the mid-30's. Had to settle for this:

31) Henderson

50) Traded 63 and 95 for 50 and 172, took Tuimoloau

66) Farmer

133) Lane

kccrow 04-22-2025 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 18037530)
I tried it with Dunc's sim - it HATED taking Henderson at 31 and Scourton kept going in the mid-30's. Had to settle for this:

31) Henderson

50) Traded 63 and 95 for 50 and 172, took Tuimoloau

66) Farmer

133) Lane

It's sad, maybe, that I had a dream about the draft haha. Honestly, I like this version you have. I prefer Tuimoloau anyhow. If he's there for the taking in 2, love it.

OnTheWarpath15 04-22-2025 12:58 PM

Or:

https://i.ibb.co/FbJgfF62/Screenshot...1-57-17-PM.png
boys and girls club las vegas

DJ's left nut 04-22-2025 01:30 PM

It's a real struggle to get my grade into the A range with that one, I'll say that.

Only way I can do it is chase grades. Go with Conerly instead of Burden. Harris instead of Royals. Stuff that I wouldn't want to do, but that I know they'll like more.

And when you turn the randomness down, the draft is almost identical every time. Burden and Conerly are ALWAYS there. The only real wrinkle is that sometimes Egbuka is as well.

Man that would be an interesting question -- Egbuka vs. Burden. I love Burden's potential but Egbuka's floor just seems so damn high to me. I just don't see any way that he's not a starting boundary WR for 6 years in the league.

DJ's left nut 04-22-2025 01:54 PM

HaHa!

I have beaten you, Sticktothemodel.

I secured my A draft (not some piddly A-)

This draft is INCREDIBLY stupid but I was expressly trying to game the board.

https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/picture....pictureid=2690

DJ's left nut 04-22-2025 02:00 PM

It's favorite first 2 rounds for KC are Booker and Norman-Lott. It thinks you're pretty hot shit if you do that.

Then the 3rd rounder is spotty -- never an A-Grade WR there; sometimes an A-Grade Edge though. The problem then becomes the late 3rd because it really likes Oladejo at Edge there or Kinnard.

Trying to hit OT, IOL, DL, Edge and WR while getting A grades for all players has proven EXTREMELY difficult to this point. Booker and Norman Lott are the only path forward I can find because DL becomes really tough to get an A grade after that 2nd round. Sometimes Farmer will get it done. Vernon Boughton in the 4th has been there a time or two but usually I've duffed the A grade on the WR in the 3rd round and end up with a B+.

If I can get Booker, ONL, Milum, Kinnard and Restrepo, I think I'd pull it off. I've been SO close -- Restrepo went at 131 once. Two more spots and I nail all their needs and get all A players.

OnTheWarpath15 04-22-2025 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18037573)
HaHa!

I have beaten you, Sticktothemodel.

I secured my A draft (not some piddly A-)

This draft is INCREDIBLY stupid but I was expressly trying to game the board.

https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/picture....pictureid=2690

(Insert True Fan Draft Party GIF here)

Rain Man 04-22-2025 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18037573)
HaHa!

I have beaten you, Sticktothemodel.

I secured my A draft (not some piddly A-)

This draft is INCREDIBLY stupid but I was expressly trying to game the board.

https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/picture....pictureid=2690

Patrick Mahomes II might like this one. And whatever Patrick Mahomes II likes, I like. Let's run with this one.

OnTheWarpath15 04-22-2025 03:14 PM

Would anyone be terribly disappointed in this? All this plus 3 picks in R5 and a 2026 R4.

https://i.ibb.co/FbJgfF62/Screenshot...1-57-17-PM.png

DJ's left nut 04-22-2025 03:29 PM

Have decided that I really do wanna come away with another WR in the first 2 days of the draft.

I think we need it far more than folks want to let on.

OnTheWarpath15 04-22-2025 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18037680)
Have decided that I really do wanna come away with another WR in the first 2 days of the draft.

I think we need it far more than folks want to let on.

https://i.ibb.co/v4V3mCSC/Screenshot...4-44-48-PM.png

duncan_idaho 04-22-2025 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 18037667)
Would anyone be terribly disappointed in this? All this plus 3 picks in R5 and a 2026 R4.

https://i.ibb.co/FbJgfF62/Screenshot...1-57-17-PM.png

I would not be "terribly" disappointed, no.

I like Scourton a lot. I think I have come to prefer getting one of the late day 2/day 3 RBs to spending on Henderson.

I really like Scourton, and also really like Jordan Burch. I'm not sure you can really find much difference between the two of them. Some combination of one of them (Or Tuimolau) and a Sanders, Farmer, Deone Walker is pretty hot to me.

I will echoe what DJ has said somewhere, maybe this thread. The mocks I end up liking the most, at least on this simulator, are the ones where I take Burden or Egbuka at 1.31 (or after a small trade-back with the Giants).

CatfishBob2 04-22-2025 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18037680)
Have decided that I really do wanna come away with another WR in the first 2 days of the draft.

I think we need it far more than folks want to let on.

Why this position over others? We have 4 great options catching the ball this year. I'd go just about any position other than WR in the first 2 days

OnTheWarpath15 04-22-2025 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 18037714)
I would not be "terribly" disappointed, no.

I like Scourton a lot. I think I have come to prefer getting one of the late day 2/day 3 RBs to spending on Henderson.

I really like Scourton, and also really like Jordan Burch. I'm not sure you can really find much difference between the two of them. Some combination of one of them (Or Tuimolau) and a Sanders, Farmer, Deone Walker is pretty hot to me.

I will echoe what DJ has said somewhere, maybe this thread. The mocks I end up liking the most, at least on this simulator, are the ones where I take Burden or Egbuka at 1.31 (or after a small trade-back with the Giants).

This might be your jam?

https://i.ibb.co/DPWLZj5h/Screenshot...5-14-05-PM.png

OnTheWarpath15 04-22-2025 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CatfishBob2 (Post 18037732)
Why this position over others? We have 4 great options catching the ball this year. I'd go just about any position other than WR in the first 2 days

Because it's not all about this year.

We have two WR under contract in 2026 and need to start pivoting to a WR based offense instead of a TE based offense.

The only two positions in worse shape for 2026 are S and DT.

CatfishBob2 04-22-2025 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 18037759)
Because it's not all about this year.

We have two WR under contract in 2026 and need to start pivoting to a WR based offense instead of a TE based offense.

The only two positions in worse shape for 2026 are S and DT.

Not opposed to adding depth in the later rounds, in fact i think we should. It looks like our 1st and 2nd round picks the past two years are going to hit. Makes no sense to me to add another one this draft year when we have more pressing needs

Bowser 04-22-2025 07:19 PM

Honestly, I feel they need to switch to a predominant WR offense THIS year. Kelce has been the focal point of this offense for a decade+, and while he's not absolutely cooked yet, he might serve the '25 offense way better as a complimentary piece rather than the #1 guy. At least in the majority of games, anyway.

DJ's left nut 04-22-2025 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CatfishBob2 (Post 18037810)
Not opposed to adding depth in the later rounds, in fact i think we should. It looks like our 1st and 2nd round picks the past two years are going to hit. Makes no sense to me to add another one this draft year when we have more pressing needs

Because it takes at least a half season to integrate a WR into the offense. No, not a full season (that's nonsense used to defend Skyy Moore) but 6-8 weeks seems about right with a continued ramp up throughout the year.

You come into 2026 with rice in year 4, Worthy in year 3 and Burden with a full season under his belt, you're FLYING.

And now you've created your ladder. You can extend Rice if you want...or not. You're under no pressure to do so.

And again, I think Burden would be a contributor this season. Maybe more gadget stuff, but Brown, Worthy and/or Rice are likely to miss 10+ games between the 3 of them due to injury or suspension.

Near term he offers more than Simmons would. Long term more than most would.

Now if Harmon or Nolen are there it's a different story. But I'm operating under the presumption that they won't be.

So if you're asking me if I'd prefer Scourton (rotational player that may struggle to get snaps over FAU, Omenihu and Danna in 2024) or Conerly (almost certain redshirt) or Kenneth Grant (again, probable rotational role behind Jones/Pennell and not obviously more talented than TJ Sanders who will be around later) over Burden? Nah. Gimme Luther. Or Egbuka.

Because I think you see many of the same rotational player concerns with other spots in the roster as well as the same long-term paths to playing time.

So gimme the best pure talent.

To me, the WRs are better than the rest of the guys I named.

OnTheWarpath15 04-22-2025 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18037973)
Because it takes at least a half season to integrate a WR into the offense. No, not a full season (that's nonsense used to defend Skyy Moore) but 6-8 weeks seems about right with a continued ramp up throughout the year.

You come into 2026 with rice in year 4, Worthy in year 3 and Burden with a full season under his belt, you're FLYING.

And now you've created your ladder. You can extend Rice if you want...or not. You're under no pressure to do so.

And again, I think Burden would be a contributor this season. Maybe more gadget stuff, but Brown, Worthy and/or Rice are likely to miss 10+ games between the 3 of them due to injury or suspension.

Near term he offers more than Simmons would. Long term more than most would.

Now if Harmon or Nolen are there it's a different story. But I'm operating under the presumption that they won't be.

So if you're asking me if I'd prefer Scourton (rotational player that may struggle to get snaps over FAU, Omenihu and Danna in 2024) or Conerly (almost certain redshirt) or Kenneth Grant (again, probable rotational role behind Jones/Pennell and not obviously more talented than TJ Sanders who will be around later) over Burden? Nah. Gimme Luther. Or Egbuka.

Because I think you see many of the same rotational player concerns with other spots in the roster as well as the same long-term paths to playing time.

So gimme the best pure talent.

To me, the WRs are better than the rest of the guys I named.

Very well said, Deej.


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