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wachashi 12-16-2024 11:33 AM

Morris is currently ranked as the 73rd best Tackle out of 80 on PFF. Taylor is 53/80.

Pretty clear what the problem is.

mr. tegu 12-16-2024 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17861486)
Honestly, do a lot of you watch other teams play?

The Chiefs don't have the best OL in the league or anything but it's also far from the worst. Reading here you'd think the Chiefs were rocking with an entire line of nothing but scrubs that shouldn't be starters.

The problem is even when the throws are there, he misses. He just doesn't look like the same guy he was just 2 years ago, all the dynamicness just isn't there. I dunno what the **** happened either, it's really weird.


Well you see, two drives prior to him missing a wide open pass he was pressured a few times and sacked so how can expect him to complete a simple pass from a clean pocket later in the game?

Mecca 12-16-2024 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 17861552)
Well you see, two drives prior to him missing a wide open pass he was pressured a few times and sacked so how can expect him to complete a simple pass from a clean pocket later in the game?

Some of the stuff people say, you'd think he was the most mentally fragile person that ever existed. By God did you see that sack he took? it means he'll be unable to properly throw for the next 25 minutes.

wachashi 12-16-2024 12:06 PM

Yeah, he's not just being pressured a few times. He leads the league in QB pressures and hits, and is top three in sacks and hurries.

We signed Humphries for a reason. Our Tackle play has sucked ass.

https://i.imgur.com/mCOTQB7.png

dlphg9 12-16-2024 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17861486)
Honestly, do a lot of you watch other teams play?

The Chiefs don't have the best OL in the league or anything but it's also far from the worst. Reading here you'd think the Chiefs were rocking with an entire line of nothing but scrubs that shouldn't be starters.

The problem is even when the throws are there, he misses. He just doesn't look like the same guy he was just 2 years ago, all the dynamicness just isn't there. I dunno what the **** happened either, it's really weird.

Yeah I don't get this OL is ruining everything. Over his career Joe Burrow's 17 game average is 47 for sacks. He's been sacked 181 times in 66 games. He's been sacked 29 times in 7 playoff games. He isn't out there seeing ghosts. He has a bottom 5 OL and looks like an MVP.

People will point to his weapons, but who cares, because he doesn't get much time to throw.

dlphg9 12-16-2024 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 17861646)
Yeah, he's not just being pressured a few times. He leads the league in QB pressures and hits, and is top three in sacks and hurries.

We signed Humphries for a reason. Our Tackle play has sucked ass.

https://i.imgur.com/mCOTQB7.png

ESPN has the OL as the 2nd best pass blocking OL in the league.

Edit-

These numbers are what he's responsible for. Not the OL.

jerryaldini 12-16-2024 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 17861646)
Yeah, he's not just being pressured a few times. He leads the league in QB pressures and hits, and is top three in sacks and hurries.

We signed Humphries for a reason. Our Tackle play has sucked ass.

https://i.imgur.com/mCOTQB7.png

If you look at the OL% overall it's pretty average because the interior is so good, and RT is below average but adequate. They are addressing LT which has been abysmal. They are adding a quick open receiver. I think they're fine if they wind up needing to try roll with Thuney.

Despite all these concerns they've been a league average scoring offense with a top four defense that's good enough to carry them to a 13-1 record. We are just so spoiled, and every team has a weakness somewhere.

Mecca 12-16-2024 12:54 PM

PFF gave Mahomes a 43 yesterday, he's only had 2 or 3 games worse than that his entire career.

Coochie liquor 12-16-2024 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 17860374)
I thought Tuney played damn good at LT today.

He allowed 10 blindside pressures in 38 drop backs.

dlphg9 12-16-2024 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jerryaldini (Post 17861778)
If you look at the OL% overall it's pretty average because the interior is so good, and RT is below average but adequate. They are addressing LT which has been abysmal. They are adding a quick open receiver. I think they're fine if they wind up needing to try roll with Thuney.

Despite all these concerns they've been a league average scoring offense with a top four defense that's good enough to carry them to a 13-1 record. We are just so spoiled, and every team has a weakness somewhere.

This shows QB as being responsible for 23.3% of his pressures. It's the 2nd highest in the league.

MahomesMagic 12-16-2024 01:56 PM

Kansas City ranked 19th in the NFL points per play.

We had always been at the top until last year.

Chiefspants 12-16-2024 09:15 PM

We traded an abysmal LT for a negative LT and an elite guard for a negative guard.

I get why the Chiefs are so hesitant to commit to this long term. Our whole left side was being caved in and we had nothing pounding the rock all game.

dlphg9 12-16-2024 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 17861544)
Morris is currently ranked as the 73rd best Tackle out of 80 on PFF. Taylor is 53/80.

Pretty clear what the problem is.

Taylor is 37/134 in pass blocking and Morris is 94/134.

Creed is #1 in pass blocking from C
Thuney is #1 in pass blocking from G
Smith is #38 in pass blocking from G

1/3 of Morris's pressures came during the Raiders game so I hear. That tanked his grade.

This should be perfectly fine for a player of Mahomes ability.

Chiefspants 12-16-2024 09:38 PM

Are there any NFL starters who currently rank lower than Morris?

htismaqe 12-17-2024 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17862687)
Taylor is 37/134 in pass blocking and Morris is 94/134.

Creed is #1 in pass blocking from C
Thuney is #1 in pass blocking from G
Smith is #38 in pass blocking from G

1/3 of Morris's pressures came during the Raiders game so I hear. That tanked his grade.

This should be perfectly fine for a player of Mahomes ability.

I know what point you're trying to make but I couldn't really read the rest of your post after seeing Smith's ranking.

There's no way they should pay that guy.

FringeNC 12-17-2024 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17862687)
Taylor is 37/134 in pass blocking and Morris is 94/134.

Creed is #1 in pass blocking from C
Thuney is #1 in pass blocking from G
Smith is #38 in pass blocking from G

1/3 of Morris's pressures came during the Raiders game so I hear. That tanked his grade.

This should be perfectly fine for a player of Mahomes ability.

I'm not sure I buy those rankings. Other than yards per play, which is one of the worst in the entire league (after leading the league usually with Mahomes), the rest of the O metrics aren't bad. Scoring, total yards, etc. because Mahomes is still pulling rabbits out on many third downs. Mahomes is not having a good year by his standards, but most QBs behind this line would be doing worse.

I'd argue YPP measures largely offensive line performance and what you do with those yards per play measures QB performance with skilled positions players contributing to both.

O.city 12-17-2024 07:49 AM

The problem, IMO, is some of the "rabbits" he's pulling out are created because he runs out of a decent pocket or doesn't read things out.

He's just not playing well. Yes, he's been under pressure. Some of that is his own fault.

wachashi 12-17-2024 07:58 AM

Of Tackles that have played 125+ snaps, Morris is graded at 72/83. There is a reason he was benched and replaced with a Guard. And there is a reason we signed Humphries. He is terrible. The coaching staff and Mahomes has lost confidence in him.

Here are the 11 Tackles below him.


Evan Neal

Trevor Penning

Broderick Jones

Warren McClendon Jr.

Fred Johnson

Germain Ifedi

Demontrey Jacobs

Nicholas Petit-Frere

Stone Forsythe

James Hudson III

Chris Hubbard

Dunerdr 12-17-2024 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 17862946)
Of Tackles that have played 125+ snaps, Morris is graded at 72/83. There is a reason he was benched and replaced with a Guard. And there is a reason we signed Humphries. He is terrible. The coaching staff and Mahomes has lost confidence in him.

Here are the 11 Tackles below him.


Evan Neal

Trevor Penning

Broderick Jones

Warren McClendon Jr.

Fred Johnson

Germain Ifedi

Demontrey Jacobs

Nicholas Petit-Frere

Stone Forsythe

James Hudson III

Chris Hubbard

I see two names that I was told we should have traded up for instead of taking FAU and Worthy. Interesting. It's almost as if it is all a crapshoot.

wachashi 12-17-2024 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 17862946)
Of Tackles that have played 125+ snaps, Morris is graded at 72/83. There is a reason he was benched and replaced with a Guard. And there is a reason we signed Humphries. He is terrible. The coaching staff and Mahomes has lost confidence in him.

Here are the 11 Tackles below him.


Evan Neal

Trevor Penning

Broderick Jones

Warren McClendon Jr.

Fred Johnson

Germain Ifedi

Demontrey Jacobs

Nicholas Petit-Frere

Stone Forsythe

James Hudson III

Chris Hubbard

This is just the pass blocking grade, by the way.

wachashi 12-17-2024 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17862687)
Taylor is 37/134 in pass blocking and Morris is 94/134.

Creed is #1 in pass blocking from C
Thuney is #1 in pass blocking from G
Smith is #38 in pass blocking from G

1/3 of Morris's pressures came during the Raiders game so I hear. That tanked his grade.

This should be perfectly fine for a player of Mahomes ability.

LT is the most important position on the offensive line in pure pass blocking sets. Are you saying Morris is perfectly fine? Mahomes is so good that he doesn't need a functioning LT?

Wallcrawler 12-17-2024 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 17862953)
LT is the most important position on the offensive line in pure pass blocking sets. Are you saying Morris is perfectly fine? Mahomes is so good that he doesn't need a functioning LT?

Dilphag believes Mahomes should be perfectly fine with his blindside defender slapping Wanyas hands like he got caught in the cookie jar and instantly blowing by him.

Unfortunately for dilphag, 3 time superbowl champ, 3 time superbowl mvp, and 2 time league mvp Patrick Mahomes delivered the kiss of death by exhibiting his fury with Wanya openly on the field after another tragi-comic snap he took at left tackle.

Brett Veach rolled the dice on a guy coming off an acl tear, and Andy has put our left guard in to play tackle.

Wanya Morris will never take another meaningful snap this season unless someone literally dies.

Fortunately for us, we have dilphag to inform us all on what a travesty of talent evaluation this is.

King_Chief_Fan 12-17-2024 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17862940)
The problem, IMO, is some of the "rabbits" he's pulling out are created because he runs out of a decent pocket or doesn't read things out.

He's just not playing well. Yes, he's been under pressure. Some of that is his own fault.

Ding ding
Give this guy a cigar
He is right

dlphg9 12-17-2024 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler (Post 17863028)
Dilphag believes Mahomes should be perfectly fine with his blindside defender slapping Wanyas hands like he got caught in the cookie jar and instantly blowing by him.

Unfortunately for dilphag, 3 time superbowl champ, 3 time superbowl mvp, and 2 time league mvp Patrick Mahomes delivered the kiss of death by exhibiting his fury with Wanya openly on the field after another tragi-comic snap he took at left tackle.

Brett Veach rolled the dice on a guy coming off an acl tear, and Andy has put our left guard in to play tackle.

Wanya Morris will never take another meaningful snap this season unless someone literally dies.

Fortunately for us, we have dilphag to inform us all on what a travesty of talent evaluation this is.

Obsessed much?

dlphg9 12-17-2024 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 17862932)
I'm not sure I buy those rankings. Other than yards per play, which is one of the worst in the entire league (after leading the league usually with Mahomes), the rest of the O metrics aren't bad. Scoring, total yards, etc. because Mahomes is still pulling rabbits out on many third downs. Mahomes is not having a good year by his standards, but most QBs behind this line would be doing worse.

I'd argue YPP measures largely offensive line performance and what you do with those yards per play measures QB performance with skilled positions players contributing to both.

Well if you don't trust PFF, then here is ESPNs pass block win rate for everyone but the LT.

For all interior offensive lineman:

Joe Thuney - #1 98% win rate
Creed Humphrey - #5 96% win rate
Trey Smith - #12 95% win rate

This is for tackles:

Jawaan Taylor - #13 92% win rate

Both PFF and ESPN have 4/5 of our offensive lineman ranked very high in pass blocking. Mahomes is responsible for more pressure than a lot of people want to admit.

Chiefspants 12-17-2024 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 17862946)
Of Tackles that have played 125+ snaps, Morris is graded at 72/83. There is a reason he was benched and replaced with a Guard. And there is a reason we signed Humphries. He is terrible. The coaching staff and Mahomes has lost confidence in him.

Here are the 11 Tackles below him.


Evan Neal

Trevor Penning

Broderick Jones

Warren McClendon Jr.

Fred Johnson

Germain Ifedi

Demontrey Jacobs

Nicholas Petit-Frere

Stone Forsythe

James Hudson III

Chris Hubbard

Yikes

FringeNC 12-17-2024 01:49 PM

To put it in perspective how godawful our offense is, you have to go back to 2012 for the Chiefs to be this bad in yards per play. *2012*. LT is worst in the league; RT is terrible. All the money spent on the interior doesn't even make a difference if your tackles are as bad as ours. New England's offensive line is supposedly just absolutely brutally bad, and we're just marginally better in yards per play.

Everyone is rightly concerned with the injury status of Mahomes, but DJ being anywhere near a 100% for the playoffs is huge, too. He could make all the difference.

Valiant 12-17-2024 03:14 PM

Umm wut?

We have our tackle issues.

You know how you help?
Adjust to 3 step drops..Quick throws and run the ball.
That is all on the coaching.

Patrick also needs to do this for his own protection.

I will say though I am hoping most of the missed throws last week were to the wind and moisture.

For some reason we abandoned the run. It was more effective than our passing.

-1, 6, 12, 7, -1, 8, 1, 4, 11, 7, 1, 9, 3, -1, 2, 4, 4, 21, 0, 1, -2, 3, 0, 5, 2, 0, 1, 11.

Most of our stops are from obvious rushing downs or galling. And the fact we always run from shotgun imo.


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