The first thing the Chiefs have to do is internally acknowledge just how bad the offense was this year (*well* below NFL average), not sugarcoat it, and then go from there and try to fix the problems. Don't pretend it was just a bad game.

Last night was kind of a replay of the Cleveland game, except Philly didn't turn it over 7 times or whatever, but on D, they played near the LOS and clogged the short passing stuff and stuffed the run.

This is the mentality that keeps players hanging around too long. It's time for him to go and for us to move on. We have gotten out of him more than we should have. His stats are not the issue. It's a young man's game.

A good amount of Philly's team didn't come from the bottom of rounds of drafting as KC has endured for the past 6 years of picking 30-32.

This is their last 6 years, most of which are mid-round or higher picks...

2020 - 21st overall, took Jaelen Reagor
2021 - 6th overall, traded down to Miami for 12th overall and got a 1st in 2022 as part of that trade. They traded up from 12 to 10 with Dallas to take DeVonta Smith.
2022 - 15th overall from Miami from 2021 trade, 16th overall from Colts from trade of Wentz, and 19th overall. they traded up from 15th overall to 13th to get Jordan Davis. They sent 16 and 19 to the Saints for 18 and a 2023 1st and 2024 2nd. They traded that 18 to the Titans for AJ Brown
2023 - 10th overall from Saints and 30th overall. They traded 10 to the Bears at #9 to move up and get Jalen Carter. They took Nolan Smith at 30.
2024 - 22nd overall. They took Quinyon Mitchell

Their offensive line isn't a product of a bunch of #1 picks either...

They drafted Lane Johnson in the 1st in 2013 but Jurgens and Dickerson came from the 2nd round, Becton was a FA, and Mailata came from the 7th round. Dickerson was a high 2nd in the 2021 draft, the year after they sucked and got the 6th overall pick. Getting really lucky with Mailata makes a lot of issues go away.


Howie has been aggressive with some contracts and some free agents but has had much better draft capital than Veach to work with.

The only concern this front office should have is finding a way to fix the LT issue. Nothing else is anywhere near as important. Whatever it takes to get a dude, do it. Let the chips fall where they may after that.

If you have to give up two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd to get up to 10 or whatever it might be for Simmons or two 1s and a 3 to get up to 16 for Conerly, anything. Just do what it takes for the guy. You can bandaid other spots, you can't bandaid LT.

This is why I’ve been kicking the idea around of trading away one of the ascending players.

We’ve made a lot of those small moves that have lost late picks, so Veach has fewer and fewer lottery tickets in the draft.

At some point, the Chiefs need another 2022 draft that’s loaded with picks. That only happens through trading a Tyreek Hill and moving down when appropriate.

Chiefs didn’t have major IOL pressure issues until Thuney kicked out.

Fix LT and you fix two issues.

Smith may well have a replacement on the roster already.

Again, in a year in which by game 4 we had lost WR1 AND WR2, and in which plan A and plan B at LT had cratered.

It’s possible to draft good IOL in the 2nd and 3rd round if you scout well. The Eagles did that.

Their stud RT is the same age as Eric Fisher and was drafted in the top 5 of his draft.

They hit an absolute home run longshot with Jordan Mailata at LT.

Much easier to fortify an OL that is strong at the T spot than to make the T spot a strength.

Philly also benefited from Jalen Carter sliding because of his bad behavior. And drafted well on top of that.

Their front office + owner combo is top notch, too.

Their owner also splashes more cash around.

This is a take based on emotion.

The reality is, even at his age, Kelce caught 97 balls in a year with WR1 and WR2 on IR by week 4 with plan A and plan B failing at left tackle.

Kelce, even now, is a top 5 TE. He's just no longer the equivalent of a #1WR. Kelce retiring (if he does) leaves another hole. Now, maybe Gray can give you 80% of current Kelce with Rice and Worthy fully integrated, and that'll play.

But no, Kelce is not a liability. That's nonsense.

I was with you until last night. Unfortunately the roster concerns top to bottom aren't as overblown as I though they were. A couple mediocre drafts in 23 and 24 is catching up fast.

This all day long.

There’s gonna be some overreactions saying we need to blow it all up, and I’m not there.

We have the weapons largely in place to make another run aside from securing WR3 and RB, which can be done outside of the first two rounds easily.

If LT is simply a trustworthy player, and LG too with Thuney back there, the offense gets back to elite production levels.

Ronnie Stanley is probably the only really good immediate fix available, but he's going to get paid a lot. It's going to be a quiet FA for KC and they are just going to have to rely on the draft again.

The Kelce/Mahomes era is over.

Rode that wave all the way to the shore.

I think they were mentally and physically exhausted.

Kelce relegating to the third option isn't too bad, I guess.

Last night was a reminder though that if Ronnie Stanley is available, we’re going to have to strongly consider paying him whatever it takes. Not coming out of this offseason without a legit answer at LT is not an option.

Everything else is secondary.

Well guys.....I dunno about "blowing it up" they just lost a SB....their 3rd straight appearance.

They seem to have a pretty good idea of what they're doing. They just ran into a buzz saw.....Howie also knows what he's doing.

They'll keep adding.

Enjoy the offseason guys, I'm out for a while.

Totally agree it's LT and work out the rest later, but given how many FAs we have I'm not convinced that doesn't end up with us blowing it all up, effectively.

I'd try and pay Stanley. I'd imagine that would mean getting cheaper than some combination of Omenihu, DHop, Brown and Reid, and not paying Trey and Bolton. To pay Stanley we'll surely need to trim a lot of fat and see a fair few walk.

This is correct.

Just getting Rice back and moving Thuney back inside are huge. I’d like to see what Hollywood could do on another cheap deal if possible.

RB is a problem, but that’s a fairly quick one to fix.

Draft Treyevon Henderson. That'd do it.

The receivers were crap in 2022 and we led the league in offense. I get your point -- our WRs will be fine, but last night showed it's not really going to matter unless we get the line fixed and Mahomes settled down.

Yeah I don’t get the bagging on kelce. He’s not the same TE he used to be. That doesn’t mean he isn’t still very good. Hes still a boulder to take down when the balls in his hands. And his superpower is reading the defense and finding a spot to sit and He’s not gonna do much when the only pass you have time for is a quick te screen that the defense is sitting on. I’m even wondering how much peak kelce helps last night.

Continue relegating him to a smaller role. Getting rashee back helps big time. Get OL help so he can be a weapon in scramble drill. Get an OL so our TEs don’t have to keep chipping and we can get more guys out on routes. He will still be great but we have to accept that he plays a secondary role. I do hope he adjusts his contract because he’s probably not worth that anymore. But that’s the only small reason if any I wouldn’t want him back

That’s apples to oranges a little, Mahomes spent all of camp and summer working with those 2022 receivers.

This year, the guys he did all that work with were gonna by week 4.

I thought he wasn't going to be an option, but his projected contract appears to be about $20M a year, which is doable...

Folks are bagging on Kelce because he was absolutely ****ing atrocious last night. He makes just one of the plays he completely buffed in the first half and the game may not get out of hand as quickly as it did. Same for Mahomes. Love those two but that first half was some of the worst football of both their respective careers.

It's so hard to imagine teams giving up these guys to FA willingly.

The Ravens have nobody waiting to replace Stanley. They probably franchise him and look for a long-term replacement soon. A guy like Ersery fits them well.

The Rams don't have anyone to replace Alaric Jackson. I'd imagine they keep him. Joe Noteboom isn't the answer behind him, he can't even stay healthy plus he's a FA too.

So now you're down to probably Cam Robinson, Dan Moore, Jedrick Wills, and Tyron Smith.

Do we want to tie up money into Robinson or Moore? Those guys are sieves themselves. Robinson had 52 pressures allowed (8.2%), including 7 sacks, and 13 penalties this year. Moore had 41 pressures allowed (6.7%), including 12 sacks, and 5 penalties this year. For reference, Wanya Morris had 35 pressures (7.7%), including 5 sacks, and 11 penalties. Looking at the other side, Jawaan Taylor had 37 pressures (5.3%), including 7 sacks, and 17 penalties. Those guys aren't making us better at LT over Wanya, really.

Wills is total shit. Tyron Smith is 35 and washed.


If we want a LT, we really need to get that guy in the draft.

Yeah I agree. I think Mahomes is still hungover from the shit he had to deal with last year. I know he’s not the most accurate deep thrower but it looked like he’s been battling the yips all year. And we all know he’s been missing or hesitating on throws we know he can make. It still feels like his issues are way more mental than they are ability. We probably need to overcorrection him to get him out of his funk. And once we do, I think he’s set for a while

If I’m being an optimist maybe this lights a fire that we had a great run with being just good enough to not lose. But we’ve gotta get Mahomes back to not just finding ways to win… we need him to reincarnate john wick again

Oof. Didn't realize Robinson was that bad. ****, that would've been the ideal pick up but that's just not going to cut it.

Guarantee you the top 3-4 LTs will be gone by #31. Like QB, it is a premium position and teams will reach for them.

It's just poor planning by Veach. he should have had a LT ready to go when Orlando left.

Yep, which means bucking up and trading away some capital and even a player potentially. Veach went up to 21 for a CB, he can sure as **** put on those brass balls and get into the top-15 for a LT.

He had a bad game and he deserves to wear it. That is different from people acting like he was a waste of space and that we hope he retires. Or that he’s too slow to be effective. He still has enough juice to be effective in a way more secondary role. We have to accept that in this stage of his career he will probably be more of a role player and every bit of what Philly wanted to do was bad for his role. He needs to be downfield and reading defenses and there was just no way he was gonna do that because our OL was so outmatched

Not exactly eager for him to **** off or anything but unfortunately this roster probably would be better served long term if he does hang them up, unless he's willing to take a significant reduction in pay which really isn't all that fair to ask of him.

Kelce didn't even get the 3 receptions last night he needed to tie Jerry Rice...I doubt he's going to retire going out like that.

Yes we need to fix things, but the Eagles were just better. We looked like chit because their defense put us there. Defense wins Championships.

Thanks for the information, unfortunately for the Chiefs, this is how the NFL is supposed to work. Sustained success leads to less quality players in the draft.

When draft capital becomes so valuable, mistakes like Clyde, Skyy, etc. can really set a team back.

Wearing my optimist hat…
Another thing that may help is that we are no longer the hunted. I think mission #1 for most teams especially in the nfc is stopping the run. Get some size, maybe sacrifice some speed, maybe sacrifice some guys in coverage. The top focus is going to be stopping guys like saquon, Gibbs/montgomery, Henry.

I think spags was way way ahead of the game from that end. His priority was clearly stopping the run and it showed. Our defense was mostly solid despite the blowout.

That plays more to our strengths on offense.

Yes he did. He needed 2 to tie and got 4. He's the all-time leader in Super Bowl receptions now with 35.

Yes the defense played a good game. They just had to play the whole game in one half cause the offense couldn't sustain a drive. They got tired and started to press to make a play in the 2nd half.

He did? my bad...

Looking at draft capital and picks, the Falcons could be a good trade partner for KC.

Would get you to #15 in the first if you can do it. Cost is 2025 1 + 2025 2 (or 2025 TEN 3) + a 2026 pick.

If you're the Chiefs and there's a T you're convinced can get the job done at LT long-term, you have to try that. Could hurt early in 2025 and could backfire huge (if you miss, it's a devastating miss that kills your window for a bit).

I think you're signing a veteran stop-gap to give you some "floor" no matter what. That probably is D.J. Humphries.

You're likely going to have to let Trey Smith walk in this scenario, because you're going to need to spend cap to cover for the small draft class and fill in the roster.

I think you recoup the failed investment in Suamataia some by letting him take the reins at RG, and maybe Morris is eventually able to be penciled in as the replacement at RT for Taylor and you have some cheaper in house options allowing you to spend money and picks elsewhere.

Agree with that. RG will have to be an in-house option to replace Trey Smith.

There will be a lot of moves made in the off season and the draft is right around the corner. There is a reason the Chiefs are already one, it not the favorite to win next years Super Bowl. Take a deep breath and relax, we will be fine.

Being brutally honest, from what I've seen not sure Morris or Suamataia are a significant downgrade from 2024 Trey Smith. He's always been prone to a bad game or two but they were way more prevalent this year.

the running scheme sucks. Pounding our RB into the interior line (Philly's strength) was insane.

Should have seen more jet sweeps, etc.

I bitched about the running scheme all year - it is antiquated, at best.