The board was pretty high on Mike Kafka when he was QB coach before taking the OC gig with the Giants. I have to assume he'll be on the open market in a year. Has his time with the Giants completely tarnished his image or would people want him back in the organization as OC if available?

At this point, no.

New blood needed.

IMO, Connor Embree as the WR coach is a disaster... fire this guy.

Why? We’ve had back to back rookies grow exponentially as the season went on to become studs. The guys he couldn’t fix last year, many of them couldn’t even make a team or went to a team who also couldn’t fix them.

It's almost like it's actual talent needed to be developed.

It was the same with Andy Heck, then they brought in the interior OL, and next thing you konw we have Andrew Wiley getting a contract elsewhere.

Nah. Rice and Worthy developing in back to back seasons says otherwise.

If and when we make another Super Bowl, if you don't spend the entire 2 weeks leading up to it petrified that Andy shits his pants again then you have a lot more faith than me. 6 Super Bowls in his career, trailed by double digits in all of them. Two blowouts because he had no idea what to do when the OL couldn't protect.

Had the chance to be the coach who 3peated. Biggest game of his life. Went in with a shit gameplan and stood there catching flies in his mouth when it didn't work. He needs at least 2 dominant Super Bowl wins before I ever feel comfortable again.

:facepalm:

I believe in the Eagles.

Sorry I don't like seeing the team get humiliated on the biggest stage twice in four years because the same coach made the same mistakes.

We could always go back to no playoff wins in 30 years.

This season ultimately ended the same way all those did: no ring.

We have one of the absolute best QBs in the history of the sport. He's not going to play forever. We could be back in the era of no playoff wins before we know it. So when you get to the position where you have a shot at the only 3peat ever and a shot at only being two Lombardis shy of becoming the most decorated team in NFL history, all the "I'm just happy to be here. I just hope they had fun. Good try, Andy!" stuff is over.

I didn't say Andy should be fired. But he shit on the carpet again and he should have his face rubbed into the mess until he learns to stop.

Since Mahomes has started they haven't missed a single AFC championship game. They've won 3 Super Bowls in 6 years.

Everything else is the whining of a spoiled fan base.

Guys we made the fkn Super Bowl.

Bringing in a guy like Jon Gruden as an “offensive analyst/consultant” might be the best compromise if Andy is not going to shake up his offensive coaching staff.

Similar to Chris Ault and Brad Childress earlier during Andy’s tenure in KC.

This isn't just lip service to appease fans because they choked - like the 90's.

KC has been in 5 of the last 6 SB's and won 3 of them. Over the past 6 years Mahomes wins the SB 50% of the time. There is no team in the NFL who's even close to that level of succes.

KC has owned football this decade. Owned it...

I still believe in Mahomes and Reid.. I just worry sometime that Andy's ego can be a detriment.

It's like he refused to concede that Fangio's defense was taking away everything he thought would work. If he had accepted that and adapted or adjusted, maybe the outcome would've been different or, at the very least, less demoralizing.

I feel that's a major flaw with Andy Reid. He's so used to winning that he doesn't realize when he's beaten until it's too late.

Gruden?

Nah man

Part of the problem was that Fangio's D didn't take away everything. In the play the obvious answer for the offense was there and time after time Pat didn't choose it or wasn't accurate. That's unbelievably rare - and I have no idea why. Multiple people, including Daniel who use to play in this offense, have stated that the obvious answers within the play were there and Pat didn't throw them the ball.

Sure, part of that is the ass O line play but the biggest part was Pat's performance. At some point Andy needed to run the football and he didn't. It's not about gaining yards - it's about Pat not getting killed and the o line not having to play the whole game pass blocking. It doesn't matter if you average 1 yard a run any more than it mattered that the Eagles couldn't get squat running. You can't just let a great pass rush T off on the QB.

I think Reid needs to find younger college guys with newer ideas from the current college game.


Andy knows how to run anything WCO that Gruden can do with his eyes closed.

I was hoping that Naggy might move on and Gruden might come here and rehab his image a bit. Gruden isn't afraid to run the football and that kind of influence might actually be a good thing for Andy.

Running for 1.5ypc does matter. If you can't run them out of their pass defense and you're constantly in 3rd and long, that makes it Infinitely harder on the passing game.

There wasn't any reason to run the ball. It wasn't going to help. It needs serious attention in the off-season.

Mahomes is a maxxed out player

You're a maxed out poster.

We have not seen a maxed out Mahomes.


Playing as a don't make a mistake game manager is not the top end of what he can do.

College coaches would be a good addition as well.

Gruden since he was fired from the Raiders has been basically full time studying offensive trends in college/NFL football so he’d bring that knowledge + familiarity with Andy’s offense and Mahomes.

offseason CP doomers need to throw a big party and serve some kill yourself koolaid

You haven't lost your fastball

No it's not.

You have risen your expectations up so high that you're setting yourself up for disappointment. The likelihood of winning SB's consistently, even with Patrick Mahomes at QB, is so unlikely that you have set yourself up for sadness no matter what.

If you really are at that point where you're disappointed we don't win a ring every year, I don't know how to help you.

Losing this game is one thing. Looking like a Mountain West Conference playing against the best team in College Football is a different matter. There's no planet on which 34-0 is acceptable. It was a Twilight Zone type moment watching that game. We hardly ever lose and now we're down 34-0!

Getting beat by a few TDs was a possibility. Losing a close game would haunt everyone but it was a possible result also. This result is humiliating.

I mean, this.

Patrick Mahomes has 3 Super Bowls in his first 8 seasons.

Joe Montana had 3 Super Bowls in his first 9 seasons.

Tom Brady had 3 Super Bowls in his first 14 seasons.

Things he DOESN'T have, that those players had: blowout losses before the conference title game and non-playoff seasons.

Mahomes is the ****ing gold standard right now.

It will pass. There are no style points for dynasties. Only glory.

NOTHING about this era is humiliating. EVERY other team wants to be us right now.

Words like "humiliating" have no place here.

It's not spoiled to expect your head coach not to get embarrassed in the biggest game of his life. It isn't whining to point out that he pissed down his leg on the biggest stage again. If you want to give him a hug and some warm milk and tell him the most important thing that is he tried, feel free. But fixing a problem starts by admitting it exists.

I can't imagine this place if, last year, our season had ended 49-3 in Buffalo, and we followed it up this year with another total disaster AT HOME against the Texans.

That's what happened to Montana.

Sounds humiliating and then you know...one of the greatest teams of all time came two years later and no one ****ing cares about his playoff losses 30 years later.

You are clearly no samurai.

Actually, it is whining. It's loser shit. No coach is perfect. Andy is as close as we're ever gonna get. All the greats piss down their leg at some point. Lombardi embarrassed himself in Washington. Don Shula went to a Super Bowl in 1984 and then spent the next 10 years being Marty. Belichick debased himself with Cam Newton. No one cares.

GLORY lasts forever.

They just need talent man. That’s a major part of this.

But yes I would love to see someone Sark’s Texas offensive staff here. I watch that team and their play designs are so goddamn good. We even copied a couple that Worthy ran when he was there

On paper, there are few more talented teams than KC. Before the season, many posters thought the 2024 Chiefs would be the most stacked roster we've ever had top to bottom. It won't be easy to put a more talented group together. Just need another draft with some home runs.

Also, we were at full health going into the playoffs. Rice was hurt, but they made many moves to replace him bringing in Hopkins and Juju. No major injuries down the stretch to key players. It's hard to be that lucky every year with injuries. Look what happened with the Lions or Packers who lost important pieces going into the playoffs.

gUyS We aRe So EmbRassan

If you're not disappointed that we didn't win a ring WHEN WE'RE PLAYING IN THE SUPER BOWL, what are you even doing?

And you should be doubly disappointed if you made it all the way to the Super Bowl and played a perfectly beatable team, but lost due in large part to the head coach making the same dumb mistakes he's made in the same spot before. A gameplan that just assumes everything will be OK with the offensive line and then a lot of blank stares at the field when that doesn't prove to be the case.

The issue isn't that we lost. If we lost to the Bills at the last minute, sucks, but it wasn't our year. If we lost a close game to the Eagles, same. Oh well. There's a reason nobody's 3peated.

The problem is HOW we lost. Never even having a chance? Getting embarrassed AGAIN because Andy didn't learn anything from the first time? That shouldn't be OK with anybody.

Oh man, the Chiefs went to three straight Super Bowls and went 2-1. Their regular season record was 15-2. What punters. I've totally lost faith in them given that terrible track record.

Seriously.

3-Peat or BUST!!!!

If you want to break it down even further:

1st 8 years of Mahomes: Chiefs +5.43
1st 8 years of Montana: Niners +1.4
1st 8 years of Brady: Pats +6.53

EMBARRASSING THO

No middle ground sanity on this board as usual.

It’s either “blow everything up” or “all is well, change nothing”.

:facepalm:

Andy was at the cutting edge of college spread in the NFL 8 years ago.


I just think we need some new blood to get his creativity going.

if only he was more creative he could be 25-0 instead of 23-2 ROFL

We are winning games with defense and Mahomes freelancing now and then late or on 3rd down.


Offensive play calling has not been special last 2 years.

You said it's no longer time to be happy about being *just* successful. It's ring or bust every single year. You're setting yourself up for disappointment, dude.

We got blown out in the Super Bowl. Okay. What do we still have? Mahomes and Andy Reid? Okay then I think we're in a pretty damn good spot.

Loser shit is wasting another season of the best QB in a generation by getting blown out in the Super Bowl for the 2nd time in 4 years and going "Aw shucks! Well, it was a heck of a season! I certainly won't be asking any questions about how this could possibly happen yet again!"

That shit is how Carl kept the seats full. That shit is why grown men were cheering and high-fiving at the Eric Fisher pick.

According to recent discussions, some of the top available offensive line coaches include Conor Riley (known for his strong track record in college football), Mike Bloomgren (previously at Stanford with a reputation for developing elite offensive linemen), and Daryl Agpalsa (recognized for his ability to develop players even at smaller schools).

OR.... We could pick off Jeff Stoutland from the Eagles and promote him to assistant HC / OL coach

I guess the point is, do you still trust who we have on the team to get us back to that point?

Considering their track record, I'm willing to believe they'll figure it out. That's not "change nothing", that's more me saying "let's sit back and see how the offseason goes first."

Dude, I'm sorry, a Super Bowl appearance is not a wasted season. This is absurd.

I think we've definitely seen the maxxed out Mahomes. He is somewhat reliant on needing to use his fast twitch quickness to get out of trouble. He's going to be moving into his 30s. We aren't ever going to see A+ Mahomes ever again. Combine this defense of the last two years with any of our elite offenses and we roll.

Trying to steal some mojo from the Eagles doesn't sound like bad idea

Average point differential in their first 21 playoff games:

Montana (16-5) : +8.71
Brady (16-5) : +5.85
Mahomes (17-4) : +5.43

Nothing is being wasted.

Yeah apart from those games when we scored 29, 30, 30 and 32 to win this season. LMAO

The goal of a season is not to get to the Super Bowl. The goal is to win the Super Bowl. And this Super Bowl in particular would have put the Kansas City by god ****ing Chiefs into the most rarefied air in NFL history. We don't get to 3peat by winning next year.

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You must be a blast at parties.

we're currently in the middle of the greatest run in NFL history brother

enjoy it

or be this guy:

"WE LOST TO THE GIANTS...AGAIN! WE ARE WASTING JOE MONTANA! FIRE WALSH!"

or be this guy:

"WE LOST TO THE GIANTS...AGAIN! WE ARE WASTING TOM BRADY! FIRE BILL!"

Enjoy being miserable.

I don't enjoy it at all. We got embarrassed again. We got every dipshit who called us a fraud all season, every dumb**** who said we only won because of the refs, out there saying "SEE I WAS RIGHT LMFAOOOO".

It ****ing sucks. I sure as hell don't want it to happen yet again. I want the head coach to get his shit together so it doesn't.

Lot of calls for Andy to be fired, are there?

And we are in the greatest run in NFL history. So ****ing act like it. Some of you act like we should still be happy just getting to Super Bowl. We're not scrappy underdogs who went on a magical run that fell short like the '14 Royals. Live in reality. We run this shit.

Every year of Mahomes we've been a game away from the Super Bowl at worst. That run isn't going to last so let's take advantage of it while it does. When we get there let's collect rings instead of collecting shit in our britches by not even being competitive. Sound good?

You are complaining about the Chiefs not making history when they already have.

Realistically we weren't going to get 2 Super Bowls out of these two seasons, all things considered. We should be happy with the one we got because this team had no business winning in '23.

If they had lost in Baltimore last year but taken the Lombardi this year you would have shrugged your shoulders and said THIS IS GREAT.

The inverse happened, and it is still great.

It sucks to lose like that. Anybody bumping their gums is just pissed their team watched the big game from home.

Andy's plan was pretty terrible with nothing hot to get rid of the ball quickly. Nothing featuring Hunt in the moat important game of his entire life. What a horrific end to that redemption arc. 3 carries.

My biggest complaint of the entire debacle was that it just didn't seem to bother anyone but Mahomes, and Chris Jones. Kelce played that game like the Mafia was holding a gun to his mother's head telling him to throw the game.

Where was the guy hard charging his coach and screaming in his face? Just sad and pouty. Embarrassing way to go out if this was it.

Andy wasn't dillingently working, trying to adjust. We didn't see Thuney move back inside and give anyone else a shot at LT. To stop the bleeding if we were sticking with 3-5 secind developing plays

We didn't do anything except the same exact shit we'd been failing the entire game, and steady Andy just had the aw dog gone man look on his face.

Still, you watched the Kansas City Chiefs play in every game until the conclusion of the season. 3 straight superbowl appearances, first as back to back champs.

Victory defeated the Chiefs. A snow shovel of shit shoved into their mouth getting embarrassed like that, we've seen how they responded last time.

Clay is 100% right ^^^.

Right now everyone else is doing victory laps while the Chiefs stock is down…

But there’s a lot of ball game left…. and one day, when the big documentaries are made about this Chiefs era, that 2023 playoff run is going to have a lot of people saying, “they did WHAT? How? The ****?!!?”

Was as good of a road run as there has ever been.

Always remember that a loss in the SB is a horrible let down for KC.

Losing the SB is not a good season for KC. That's only true for KC - but it is true for KC...

You just compared one of the best runs in NFL history for any team to the Carl Peterson Chiefs. Seek help, you've lost it.

Veach is a huge reason why KC has gone to 5 of the last 6 SB's.

Carl Peterson and his refusal to draft a 1st round QB is the biggest reason KC never won a playoff game without Montana.

1. I strongly suggest turning off the TV and staying off of social media if it bothers you that much.

2. Say Mahomes plays 12 more seasons with the Chiefs. What is an acceptable number of Super Bowls to win during that stretch?

ALL OF THEM!!!!!!!

The battery on their motorized carts can't handle the strain. Of their McDonald's bloated bodies. And the toilet paper wrapped around the toilet brush doesn't reach anymore.

Their time is short and by next season. The wifi in their hospital rooms will have to be cut off. To lower their blood pressure. Don't blow a gasket their headed for an XXL casket

I will NEVER show my face in public if the Chiefs ever lose in the Super Bowl again!!!!

:LOL: TRUTH!

BFD! Just KICK ASS next season and say," I TOLD YOU DUMB ****S SO!"

The referees just stopping preferential treatment in the Super Bowl. Does not hold water. Hold your own

No, I compared the TRUE FANS~! who let Carl stay employed for twenty years with the people who want to cover their eyes and ask no questions about Andy Reid getting blown out in two of the last four Super Bowls.

If that bothers you it's because it's describing you.

lol, the whiners are out in force I see. Don’t know how you live with yourselves. If losing this SB really bothers you all that much, maybe stop watching football. Try taking up ballet.