And if Joe never wins another game, he’s already an all-time NFL winner.

I’m sure he wishes KC would have paid him, but since they won’t, this is a major bonus for Thuney coming off a great year.

Thuney probably gets an extra pay bump after the LT work. Good for him.

Gotta admit it is a little weird that the guy won team MVP like 2 weeks ago and now he’s shipped out LMAO

Wanya Morris vs Mike Caliendo vs Kingsley Sumo for the LG spot

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Is it $27 mil they shaved off, or $16 mil?

16.

Exactly, and shipped to a disaster of a franchise like Chicago with their metrosexual painted nails QB. Regardless of the money, that's dirty

Oh I LOVE this!

Called that one a week or so ago.....didn't know how it made sense financially but if you can get out from an older player to keep a younger important player..you do it

This is so dumb sorry. And you only get a 2026 4th rounder?

Your older vet players aren’t worth as much as you hope

I don’t think it’s that dumb. Thuney only has a couple years left. Trey Smith is the younger player.

You can’t have 3 expensive IOL players. Two is even a stretch.

At least they’re getting something for him.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. I kinda felt bad for him.

For all the reasons you’re hesitant to extend them, other teams are hesitant to trade for them.

Kinglsley left guard next year Morris right tackle in 2026

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Thanks Joe! Always hate losing a player, even if it’s the right move.

Actually a pretty affordable set up and draft win.

I'm still upset that we traded Tony Gonzalez for only a 2nd. Which we ultimately didn't translate into shit while he had many good years still in Atlanta.

Thuney was only going to play in KC for another year at most though. I wish you could get something better than a 4th for one of the best lineman in football, but that's the market. Teams tend to overvalue picks these days even though everyone knows most 4th round picks don't play more than a few seasons in the league.

For a 2026 4th though? Geez the league really doesn't want to play ball with us lol

I get his age and contract being an issue but at the same time he was our best OLineman all year and you trade him for a pick next year? 2 of our Super Bowl beat down's our OL got killed and you go franchise tag one of the biggest culprits?

I should wait and see what other moves they make but right now I am perplexed.

I’m shocked at the number of people who seem surprised by this.

How is anyone surprised anymore when Veach trades guys who are coming off great years?

It’s these moves in conjunction with nailing subsequent draft picks that give you a shot to remain a step ahead of an always tough AFC and now AFCW.

Thuney is 7 years older than Smith and the Chiefs desperately need a LT. We'd all like for the Chiefs to spend way over the cap, but they can't, so, you have to pick your spots. The money we'd be paying Thuney is now being paid to Smith as we shift a rookie contract guy into Thuney's old spot.

Getting younger on the O-line helps to keep Patrick protected for years to come. Moving a 2nd year player into the LG spot saves a lot of money off the cap. Finally, trading Thuney gets us some draft capital for next year in the same way that trading Sneed to the Titans last year got us some draft capital for this year. When you're constantly at the end of every round, getting extra draft capital is a must.

I really like Thuney and wish we could have kept him, but teams are forced to make moves like these because players want to get paid as much as possible. It's nobody's fault. It's just the business.

He's won 4 Super Bowls and will be paid more money than any of us can dream of in Chicago, even for one season. He'll be fine. It's a big market and they at least have a chance to make the playoffs like most teams. Not like he's been traded to the CFL.

Maybe I’m wishcasting, but does it seem like these three moves taken together add up?

1) Save $16 mil in cap space from Thuney
2) Save cap space by letting Reid walk
3) Move Kingsley to LT

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Invest in a high priced LT? I don’t see what else the money could be used for other than maybe an edge rusher or a WR, but the latter seems out of step given we’ve got Worthy/Rice.

Well said.

No team is trading a top 100 pick for a 33 year old player that is making to of the market money.

This is the going rate

We needed to get under the cap too, though. As of yesterday I believe we were something like $10m over the cap. We had to get under by the start of the league year and obviously you want/need space for FA, re-signing guys, and draft picks.

I don’t believe their are really any LTs on the FA market worth a max contract anyway.

I don’t love it, but I get it.

Please look at Andrew Thomas’s development.

Who was the DT? I can’t remember…

Turn your sarcasm meter on.

Bingo.

Veach is just damn good at his job. It's easy to get blinded by emotion. Thuney has been a rock and was a stud this season. And while he has plenty of gas left in the tank, Veach is looking at his entire roster, not just the player. Locking up Creed and Trey long terms should provide the Chiefs a lot of stability. Clearly Kingsley is moving to guard, and the thought of having a huge LG next to Creed is appealing to me, and he looked good there vs Denver. That mean you have the interior three o-line spots locked down for a minimum of 3 years.

Taylor is gone next offseason and you are going to take that money and give it to Karloftis or McDuffie. As for the upcoming draft, prepare thyself for a LT in the first.Veach is going to want a cheap rookie for the next five years, and they contract would slot in perfectly with Creed, Smith, and Kingsley.

If Kingsley becomes the Left tackle and Morris left guard this year Brett Veach should get blowies from all the deniers.

I don't think Kingsley at LG is clear at all.

Maybe I’m wishcasting, but does it seem like these three moves taken together add up?

1) Save $16 mil in cap space from Thuney
2) Save cap space by letting Reid walk
3) Move Kingsley to LG

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Invest in a high priced LT? I don’t see what else the money could be used for other than maybe an edge rusher or a WR, but the latter seems out of step given we’ve got Worthy/Rice.

Only if they’re plus starters.

If that ends up happening and they’re even just average he’ll get raked over the coals.

Time to rebuild the left side of the O Line. A 4th in 2026 doesn't seem great but it is draft capital. Something that could be packaged in a trade for a player or to move up in the draft for a player. What's Breach's next move?:hmmm:

Yup. Love Thuney but he has played 13 more games than the average G in the NFL with the Chiefs and 10 more with the Patriots due to playoff success, so while he’s going to be 33 next season, his body in NFL years is actually closer to 35 due to 23 more games. Add in a serious injury in 2023 and that wear and tear is gonna get worse.

The Chiefs have to get draft capital. You can’t expect Veach to be perfect bc nobody is. They need flexibility which is why they traded Dee Ford, LJ Sneed, Tyreek Hill and Joe Thuney.

Do not be surprised if Chris Jones is traded in 2 years when he is in Thuney’s position at the same age. That’s why they need to capitalize on this incredible DT class.

Prepare for your future. This is what NE did

Ok but if they kept him this year and let him walk in FA they would have gotten a 3rd round comp pick next year right? As long as he doesn't retire.

This isn't the only assumption you're making here LMAO

He’ll be in the ring of honor. I’m at work, how many years was Joe here? He’s a warrior, arguably one of the most important pieces to this dynasty. Gonna miss you big guy, hope he plays at an all pro level next year.

The chances of trading way up to get a LT in the draft are slim, so yes, a FA signing seems most likely.

What I am trying to say is if we kept him, win a SB and he rides off in the sunset with Kelce we don't get nothing from him. Outside of that happening and we just let him walk next offseason we would most likely get a 3rd round comp pick correct?

The only way I’ll be disappointed in this is if Caliendo is the starter.

I just can’t see that happening though. I figure Veach would make a move for another guard or draft one if that is the plan.

Kingsley is my hope. Get immediate value out of that pick with a chance to develop into a tackle long term.

You're assuming that:

1. Thuney stays healthy.

2. Thuney doesn't fall off a cliff.

3. The Chiefs don't pay somebody next year that offsets the comp pick for Thuney.

They have an awful lot of holes to fill. They needed the money. Great player, sad to see him go, but it takes an entire team to keep winning.

Tells me they're signing Robinson.

Thuney could've been a big help if you're breaking in a new or inexperienced LT. But you can't have a green LT AND LG. And they know that.

There's only one fairly reliable LT on the market.

They're gonna sign Robinson.

good points and that is fair.

What about Stanley?

2026 4th round, guess it must be more about cap room. :huh:

Yeah. The 35.5 inch length is going to be too hard for Andy to turn down.

He’ll be the best fit at the position for this offense they’ve had since Fish. I’ll die on that hill probably somewhat lonely.

:Lin:

I just can't get there.

If I'm just looking at 2025, Travis' final year, OK sure, but I don't think he's a guy you are going feel good about paying what its going to cost in 2026, 2027, ect.

Excellent news! :thumb: Thank you Joe for all you did for us!

I don't see Veach getting into a bidding war with NE when they have $125M in cap space.

I really think this is gonna be another signing/trade out of nowhere - someone we haven't even been considering.

For this year it’s a net negative. Thuney was our best guard.


This is Patriots move the player a year early rather than a year late cap mgmt.

Think the next course of action is sign Smith long term, if anything to get his cap number down this year.

Not questioning your logic - it's solid.

But holy shit, we do this and it's like a never ending cycle of bad OT contracts. Finally get Jawaan off the books next year only to pay out the nose for a turnstile on the other side.

Love Joe but this makes sense. Praying to O’line Gods to protect Patrick.

Could be.

They're signing a veteran LT they can reasonably rely on.

I’m cool with it.

One question I have though is if they’re so confident in Kingsley at LG then why wasn’t he playing there through the postseason instead of Caliendo?

Can we trade Taylor also and plug in Morris?

I mean I wanted us to trade for him when he went to the Vikings. Mentioned him when he was just a rumor.

I think he's a very good fit here. But he won't be as good as his paycheck and folks will just never get over that.

But he'd solidify the position well enough.

Wanya is way worse than Taylor...

Would think the lack of reps. I mean he works all of preseason learning tackle. Flames out. They then about 1/2 through the season start working on learning LG and he looks ok during the Denver game. But I would think it takes time and work with the current OL to learn to pickup stunts blitzes etc. I think he is at a point where he comes into camp knowing the position they want him at and he focuses on that position.

Stanley is reportedly going to re-sign with Baltimore...

https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news...he-coming-days

Someone on the socials said it best that this is a move I hate to see, but also totally understand it is the right move

But after the previous year, at a minimum, folks should be able to critically analyze the situation and see that its worth overpaying your LT if they stabilize the position.

I know many still aren't ever going to get there, but my goodness man, I want our QB to be his best self and everyone should see the big picture by now.

Paying your LT 10 or so extra cents on the dollar is more than worth it if it gets your half-a-billion dollar QB to settle his feet in the pocket again.

I'm going to assume he's going to at least test the market with no tag, but it's entirely possible.

Pretty Rickey says Stanley is returning to B-More.

It's Robinson for us and given Stanley's injury problems, that very well may be for the best.

He’s not a legit source lol

If y'all want Robinson, you better pray to your God of choice that Stanley goes to NE.

Something to keep in mind. Kingsley is an elite G prospect in terms of size, strength and athleticism. Here’s how he would rank at G in this years combine.

40-tied for 3rd
10-tied for 2nd
Bench-2nd

He has elite athleticism. We saw that right away in camp. Dude can ****ing move on pulls or screens.

We saw him do a more than solid job vs a top 5 interior rusher in Denver. I think he’s got a chance to be a rock solid G for us.

And if he is then the 2024 draft class suddenly looks like an A

Definitely the right move, excited to see Kingsley at guard, he should thrive there.

Hate to see him go, but we got the best years of his career and then a 4th rounder out the door, I'll take that all day. Thanks, Joe, you've been a warrior.

Would be a fool not to.

Great trade IMO. Free up a bunch of money. Get way younger. Possibly use the trade pick and some more draft capital to move up and get the LT of the future.

Yep! 👍

You think Robinson is a lot worse than he is man.

I get he isn't Trent Williams of 2021, but he's a lot better than what we fielded last year at LT and will be better than Donovan Smith was too.

He's firmly in Orlando Brown territory, a superior pass blocker than him and a step back as a run blocker.

The point of my post is that NE has $125M in cap space and needs two tackles.

If Stanley stays in Baltimore, NE will outbid us for Robinson.

Veach has talked a LOT this offseason about "resources" and how we aren't just gonna throw money at a perceived problem.