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kccrow 04-04-2025 04:49 PM

I prefer Jaylin Noel to Kyle Williams myself but draft position is going to matter. Noel may not make it to us in round 2 but if he does it's going to be really tempting.

SAGA45 04-04-2025 05:21 PM

If I had to pick a 'Guy' in this WR group it'd probably be Jayden Higgins. Good lord, the havoc that him, Rice, Hollywood, and Worthy would wreak!!

JohnnyHammersticks 04-04-2025 08:19 PM

Tory Horton 4.41 in the snow coming off a knee injury. Somebody is going to get a gem with this guy in the 4th round.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-theme="dark"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“Typical Tory Horton”: CSU’s star receiver holds pro day outside despite snow <a href="https://t.co/gr5wnNGvS8">https://t.co/gr5wnNGvS8</a></p>&mdash; Denver Post Sports (@DPostSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/DPostSports/status/1907980706170503571?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 4, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

louie aguiar 04-05-2025 10:07 AM

James Palmer reporting that some team may grab Higgins at the end of round 1. I don’t think Higgins is a guy we would target though (Reid and Veach prefer smaller shiftier guys).

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Plus, James Palmer is hearing whispers that NFL teams might be eyeing Higgins at the end of the first round!<a href="https://t.co/5vcBxsYp5y">https://t.co/5vcBxsYp5y</a></p>&mdash; James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/JamesPalmerTV/status/1908550672871457087?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

kccrow 04-05-2025 10:43 AM

Oooh... I said in my overrated/underrated guys segment that I think Higgins is a better receiver than Tet. He is absolutely being slept on. If this team actually used a big WR, I'd be screaming for this kid.

Rain Man 04-05-2025 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18020569)
Oooh... I said in my overrated/underrated guys segment that I think Higgins is a better receiver than Tet. He is absolutely being slept on. If this team actually used a big WR, I'd be screaming for this kid.

I think he's my top guy at WR.

SAGA45 04-05-2025 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by louie aguiar (Post 18020528)
James Palmer reporting that some team may grab Higgins at the end of round 1. I don’t think Higgins is a guy we would target though (Reid and Veach prefer smaller shiftier guys).

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Plus, James Palmer is hearing whispers that NFL teams might be eyeing Higgins at the end of the first round!<a href="https://t.co/5vcBxsYp5y">https://t.co/5vcBxsYp5y</a></p>&mdash; James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/JamesPalmerTV/status/1908550672871457087?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not surprised at all

Chris Meck 04-05-2025 09:30 PM

I'm never listening to Steve Smith talk about WR projects ever again.

He talked me into Skyy Moore.

**** that guy.

Stryker 04-05-2025 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18020569)
Oooh... I said in my overrated/underrated guys segment that I think Higgins is a better receiver than Tet. He is absolutely being slept on. If this team actually used a big WR, I'd be screaming for this kid.

So, curious question, when you look at players like Higgins and Egbuka do you consider the level of opponents played (i.e conference they played in and it's level of competition) or the use of the players talents in the Chiefs "system"? I am NO guru like you and DJ as well as others - just wanted your opinion, or anyone else's opinion regarding the question asked. :thumb:

Couch-Potato 04-06-2025 07:59 AM

Why Higgens > Harris, out of curiosity?

In58men 04-06-2025 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 18021137)
I'm never listening to Steve Smith talk about WR projects ever again.

He talked me into Skyy Moore.

**** that guy.

I had to look it up because I vaguely remember that lol.

https://www.sportscasting.com/news/b...ce=chatgpt.com

“Former NFL wide receiver and current analyst Steve Smith Sr. has expressed high praise for Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver Skyy Moore. Smith highlighted Moore’s potential, stating, “The only thing that’s awkward about Skyy Moore is his jersey number. Other than that, he is a bona fide superstar on the rise.” He further predicted, “I believe he will be a 1,200-yard receiver this year.”

Oof

staylor26 04-06-2025 02:09 PM

Harris, Royals, William, Noel or Savion, Tez, Bond, Horton

If they go WR, the earliest will be day 2. I think you'd be looking at one of these guys from tiers 2 and 3.

RunKC 04-07-2025 09:04 AM

Jalen Royals has been my WR1 this whole time but I cannot ignore Jaylin Noels. That kid is really ****ing good. I may just have to put them as 1A and 1B.

Noels putting up 23 bench reps at 194 lbs is incredible. Love his 3 cone which shows on his tape. He just gets open all the time.

Really need to take one of these guys at 63 IMO

kcbubb 04-08-2025 05:25 PM

I’d like to add a bigger wr late. What about Will Sheppard? His best years was at vandy in 2022 when he caught 60 balls for 776 yards and 9 TDs. I’m a vandy fan and this guy can play. Vandy even had will return punts and the qb situation was not very good for his years at vandy. The lights will not be too bright for Sheppard. I’d take him in the 5th. I think he could be a steal and compliment our speed wrs well. Sheppard has a WR1 mentality.

STATS

RECEIVING RUSHING FUMBLES
REC YDS AVG TD LNG CAR YDS AVG TD LNG FUM LST
48 621 12.9 6 47 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
47 684 14.6 8 85 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
60 776 12.9 9 31 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
43 577 13.4 4 56 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0

https://youtube.com/shorts/NnXomqdYe...drkTMf1CS9envi

https://youtu.be/2DeOFhCeQCE?si=MiQOCxZ11qyocv6x
https://www.ralphiereport.com/2025/4...faloes-pro-day

After transferring in from Vanderbilt last offseason, Sheppard put together a solid senior campaign for the Buffs, recording 48 receptions, 621 yards and six touchdowns.

While those numbers might not pop at first glance, they become much more impressive when you consider he was working within a crowded and talent-heavy Colorado receiver room. Despite sharing targets with NFL-caliber receivers like Travis Hunter, Jimmy Horn Jr. and LaJohntay Wester, Sheppard still carved out a defined role as a reliable weapon with his big body and elite athleticism, especially in the red zone.

At 6’4”, Sheppard’s frame already fits the mold of a prototypical outside NFL receiver and his testing numbers at Pro Day only added fuel to his draft stock:

40-Yard Dash: 4.54 seconds
Vertical Jump: 40.5 inches
Broad Jump: 10 feet, 11 inches

His 40 time was respectable given his size, but it’s his explosive lower-body athleticism that really turned heads. His 40.5-inch vertical would’ve ranked top three among receivers at the NFL Combine, while his broad jump would’ve tied for fourth. Sheppard didn’t just test well—he tested like an elite-level athlete.

DJ's left nut 04-08-2025 07:53 PM

I've become virulently anti 'big receiver' likely in response to the number of people who insist we need a contested catch guy.

Probably not fair but whatever.

If you're 6'4" and not an athletic unicorn, I'm not interested.

RunKC 04-08-2025 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18024351)
I've become virulently anti 'big receiver' likely in response to the number of people who insist we need a contested catch guy.

Probably not fair but whatever.

If you're 6'4" and not an athletic unicorn, I'm not interested.

They’re looking at TE’s like Fannin who have elite level speed (within 20 yards) for a 240 lb receiving TE.

Kinda wonder if that is who they want to have as their “bigger WR’s” to utilize in that role.

DJ's left nut 04-08-2025 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18024468)
They’re looking at TE’s like Fannin who have elite level speed (within 20 yards) for a 240 lb receiving TE.

Kinda wonder if that is who they want to have as their “bigger WR’s” to utilize in that role.

Which is why I'm also not a huge fan of the undersized TEs. I think it's 6 in one hand, half dozen in the other.

That's why I really liked the Wiley selection last year -- he's a TE. He's not just a large WR who lines up in-line on occasion.

I'll take 5'11" to 6'1" with short area quickness 100 times out of 100 over these Keon Coleman types who folks insist we should have but who Mahomes and Reid have never demonstrated a willingness to use.

Buehler445 04-09-2025 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18024470)
Which is why I'm also not a huge fan of the undersized TEs. I think it's 6 in one hand, half dozen in the other.

That's why I really liked the Wiley selection last year -- he's a TE. He's not just a large WR who lines up in-line on occasion.

I'll take 5'11" to 6'1" with short area quickness 100 times out of 100 over these Keon Coleman types who folks insist we should have but who Mahomes and Reid have never demonstrated a willingness to use.

I mean, he forced what, 5 balls to Hopkins? So there is >< this much of an argument. The counterpoint is he forced far more balls to Reek trusting he'd get open than he did to Hopkins.

I'm sure you're position would change if we had a **** it chuck it guy but we have Mahomes. So you go with what works.

Dunerdr 04-09-2025 06:55 AM

If your a 6'4" and a contested catch type you need at least one elite trait and I don't consider winning contested catches a trait. You've got to be able to get open in the NFL no matter how good you are at jump balls.

DJ's left nut 04-09-2025 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 18024512)
I mean, he forced what, 5 balls to Hopkins? So there is >< this much of an argument. The counterpoint is he forced far more balls to Reek trusting he'd get open than he did to Hopkins.

I'm sure you're position would change if we had a **** it chuck it guy but we have Mahomes. So you go with what works.

Absolutely.

I don't think there's no room for them in the league. But this offense with this QB just doesn't need/want them.

I mean even the highlight play that Hopkins made, definitely something of a '**** it' ball, was still a ball placement throw and really good hands by Hopkins to bring it in through traffic.

It wasn't some play where he threw it into double coverage and let Hopkins body off a guy and high point it.

Mahomes just doesn't throw those. He really doesn't even throw them to Kelce.

As you said, he's far more likely to throw it into space and let his guys run to it than he is to throw it to a big body and hope they win at the catch point.

Could a guy like that be handy in the red zone? Sure - but we won't use 'em. We'll keep doing motion to create mis-matches and trying trick plays vs. asking a guy to just win on the boundary with physicality.

It isn't that I don't think they can play - it's that there are styles and body types that we get more use out of.

So a guy who's "fast for a 6'4" receiver" is still middling by standard measurements.

Sammy Watkins is about the prototype for bigger and more physical WRs in this system. Ayomanor is pretty much the outer bound of guys like that who interest me.

Tre Harris? Jayden Higgins? Savion Wiliams? Pat Bryant? Nah -- just not our guys.

Tory Horton is tall but he's fast and doesn't play physical -- he's a different sort. Maybe someone like Theo Wease if he's there in the 7th. But if I'm looking at a guy like Sheppard vs. a guy like Jordan Watkins, give me Watkins 100 times out of 100.

RunKC 04-09-2025 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18024592)
Absolutely.

I don't think there's no room for them in the league. But this offense with this QB just doesn't need/want them.

I mean even the highlight play that Hopkins made, definitely something of a '**** it' ball, was still a ball placement throw and really good hands by Hopkins to bring it in through traffic.

It wasn't some play where he threw it into double coverage and let Hopkins body off a guy and high point it.

Mahomes just doesn't throw those. He really doesn't even throw them to Kelce.

As you said, he's far more likely to throw it into space and let his guys run to it than he is to throw it to a big body and hope they win at the catch point.

Could a guy like that be handy in the red zone? Sure - but we won't use 'em. We'll keep doing motion to create mis-matches and trying trick plays vs. asking a guy to just win on the boundary with physicality.

It isn't that I don't think they can play - it's that there are styles and body types that we get more use out of.

So a guy who's "fast for a 6'4" receiver" is still middling by standard measurements.

Sammy Watkins is about the prototype for bigger and more physical WRs in this system. Ayomanor is pretty much the outer bound of guys like that who interest me.

Tre Harris? Jayden Higgins? Savion Wiliams? Pat Bryant? Nah -- just not our guys.

Tory Horton is tall but he's fast and doesn't play physical -- he's a different sort. Maybe someone like Theo Wease if he's there in the 7th. But if I'm looking at a guy like Sheppard vs. a guy like Jordan Watkins, give me Watkins 100 times out of 100.

They did a pretty nice job with Juju in 2022 in that role and he was a bigger guy who wasn’t particularly fast.

I agree that the speed guys who can get open quickly like Isaiah Bond, Jaylin Lane and Jaylen Noel are probably who they want. They just can’t trust Hollywood to stay healthy there. And even still, they need depth badly.

Harold Fannin is really starting to grow on me bc he fits a lot of what we do. He’s really good at YAC, breaking tackles and getting open in the middle of the field. Sure he’s not a deep speed guy, but Wiley is. Think it’s good to have guys with different traits there.

We need guys who can break tackles, get YAC or even just get open badly. Worthy was literally the only guy we had that could do that for the majority of last season. It was painful watching Hopkins, Kelce, Juju and Watson try to get open last year. They’re too old and too slow now. Same with Kareem’s lack of speed at RB.

If I’m Veach I’m absolutely hammering the DL and skill weapons with our first 4 picks. We just can’t keep asking Mahomes to carry a shit offense with guys who are old or can’t make plays.

RunKC 04-09-2025 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18024592)
Absolutely.

I don't think there's no room for them in the league. But this offense with this QB just doesn't need/want them.

I mean even the highlight play that Hopkins made, definitely something of a '**** it' ball, was still a ball placement throw and really good hands by Hopkins to bring it in through traffic.

It wasn't some play where he threw it into double coverage and let Hopkins body off a guy and high point it.

Mahomes just doesn't throw those. He really doesn't even throw them to Kelce.

As you said, he's far more likely to throw it into space and let his guys run to it than he is to throw it to a big body and hope they win at the catch point.

Could a guy like that be handy in the red zone? Sure - but we won't use 'em. We'll keep doing motion to create mis-matches and trying trick plays vs. asking a guy to just win on the boundary with physicality.

It isn't that I don't think they can play - it's that there are styles and body types that we get more use out of.

So a guy who's "fast for a 6'4" receiver" is still middling by standard measurements.

Sammy Watkins is about the prototype for bigger and more physical WRs in this system. Ayomanor is pretty much the outer bound of guys like that who interest me.

Tre Harris? Jayden Higgins? Savion Wiliams? Pat Bryant? Nah -- just not our guys.

Tory Horton is tall but he's fast and doesn't play physical -- he's a different sort. Maybe someone like Theo Wease if he's there in the 7th. But if I'm looking at a guy like Sheppard vs. a guy like Jordan Watkins, give me Watkins 100 times out of 100.

They did a pretty nice job with Juju in 2022 in that role and he was a bigger guy who wasn’t particularly fast.

I agree that the speed guys who can get open quickly like Isaiah Bond, Jaylin Lane and Jaylin Noel are probably who they want. They just can’t trust Hollywood to stay healthy there. And even still, they need depth badly.

Harold Fannin is really starting to grow on me bc he fits a lot of what we do. He’s really good at YAC, breaking tackles and getting open in the middle of the field. Sure he’s not a deep speed guy, but Wiley is. Think it’s good to have guys with different traits there.

We need guys who can break tackles, get YAC or even just get open badly. Worthy was literally the only guy we had that could do that for the majority of last season. It was painful watching Hopkins, Kelce, Juju and Watson try to get open last year. They’re too old and too slow now. Same with Kareem’s lack of speed at RB.

If I’m Veach I’m absolutely hammering the DL and skill weapons with our first 4 picks. We just can’t keep asking Mahomes to carry a shit offense with guys who are old or can’t make plays.

Chris Meck 04-09-2025 11:38 AM

Not interested in any receiver whose scouting report mentions contested catches. We just flat won't use them, so what's the point?

kcbubb 04-10-2025 11:37 AM

Bigger WRs need burst for separation. They need that twitch and the ability to run routes.. That’s why I like Sheppard. I think he can become a good route runner and use that vertical and broad jump numbers to get open quickly. Don’t sleep on him. He produced at a high level at vandy as the #1 target against sec competition for 2 years. He went to Colorado and got stuck behind Travis Hunter. Jimmy Horn also produced solid numbers at Colorado. And Sheppard still produced. I wouldn’t label Sheppard as just a contested catch guy. He’s more than that but his catch radius is definitely helpful. Sheppard is not a burner but I think he could be a good compliment to what we have. As far as burners go, don’t forget that we have Tyquan Thornton on the roster. Thornton is still young at 24.Developing as a wr in that patriots offense couldn’t have been easy with the qbs, oline and overall, the pats offense just stunk. At some point, you gotta draft guys that can play football and Sheppard has that kind of IQ.

In58men 04-10-2025 03:05 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Texas WR Isaiah Bond turned himself in to Frisco Police last night for an outstanding warrant for sexual assault. He posted bond and was released (<a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RapSheet</a>).<br><br>Bond is a consensus top 10 WR in this year’s draft. <a href="https://t.co/xLCtwI8NiO">pic.twitter.com/xLCtwI8NiO</a></p>&mdash; uSTADIUM (@uSTADIUM) <a href="https://twitter.com/uSTADIUM/status/1910438770962219173?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 10, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

DJ's left nut 04-10-2025 04:49 PM

"Bond is a consensus top 10 WR in this year's draft..."

Well not anymore, laddies.

Tough draft season for Isaiah.

Couch-Potato 04-13-2025 08:35 PM

LSU WR Kyren Lacy died last night: https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comment...hopeful_kyren/

RunKC 04-14-2025 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18019915)
Royals is the most 'Chiefs' receiver that may slide to us, IMO. I could see us taking him if he's at the back of 2.

Fast, physical enough, good route runner, by all accounts a willing blocker/teammate.

May not work out, in which case we'd be looking at someone like maybe Ayomanor or Kyle Williams. Lane could be in that group as well in the back of the 3rd or into the 4th. Maybe Jordan Watkins in the 7th round or De'Corian Clark.

But I think they want someone out there that can be physical and also be athletic enough to do the 'run-offs' that they like doing with someone like Watson or Watkins before him. They don't always use those receivers purely as pass-catchers and right now I think their 'big 3' are all guys that are somewhat lacking in those sort of gritty areas that they like to have someone occupy.

I'm not sure Lane does that. He feels more like a Skyy Moore replacement than a Justin Watson one. Remigio already gives us the Skyy Moore replacement. I don't see anybody on the roster who they'll want doing what Watson did.

I'm starting to get a bit of a crush on Royals, though. Be awfully happy if we get him but I also don't think we'll see a ton of him this season. He's still pretty green.

Royals reminds me of Khalil Shakir who was 3rd in the NFL in YAC last year. I love his fit here.

He’s still green but I think we could work him in early if needed. Love his size, explosion, hands and downfield speed. He’d be awesome here.

We need bigger athletic WR’s. Last year really exposed that flaw with Rashee out.

If this kid is there at 63 I’m taking him no question.

RunKC 04-16-2025 02:40 PM

The more I watch Jaylin Lane the more I love him. He’s an ideal fit for us.

He’s 190 lbs so considerably heavier than Worthy and Hollywood, top athlete in nearly every testing category athletically.

Ran a shit ton of Andy Reid concepts in college. Also a very good returner. Would be an excellent value in rd 4 IMO. Would be WR5 but but would replace Steel on kickoff return duty

DJ's left nut 04-16-2025 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18031404)
The more I watch Jaylin Lane the more I love him. He’s an ideal fit for us.

He’s 190 lbs so considerably heavier than Worthy and Hollywood, top athlete in nearly every testing category athletically.

Ran a shit ton of Andy Reid concepts in college. Also a very good returner. Would be an excellent value in rd 4 IMO. Would be WR5 but but would replace Steel on kickoff return duty

In a perfect world I think he ends up a bit redundant.

I think you have Worthy to do everything that he does and Remigio can do most of the gadget stuff as well.

If you have Brown and Rice along with Worthy I just don't see a near term value. And if/when Brown leaves, I don't see Worthy and Lane as being terribly complementary unless you end up using Rice as an X, Worthy as a Z and Lane as a Y, but I think you want your Y being a little more versatile than Lane is.

If I had a choice between Lane and Williams, I'm taking Williams without a moment's hesitation.

Now if we come up in the 4th, haven't taken a WR and the choice is Lane or Pat Bryant....I'm taking Lane. But that feels a little unlikely. If that happens you probably have someone like Horton or Dike on the board and I think they're just a little more versatile than Lane.

Dunerdr 04-16-2025 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18026404)
"Bond is a consensus top 10 WR in this year's draft..."

Well not anymore, laddies.

Tough draft season for Isaiah.

A wr out of TX with off field issues? Veach will sprint to the podium.

kccrow 04-16-2025 06:08 PM

DJs guy, Runs guy, My guy head-to-head. Talk about layers of damn near the same player at varying levels of the draft.

Kyle Williams - Washington State
Projected Round: 3rd
Height: 5'10-5/8"
Weight: 190
Arm Length: 30-1/8"
Hand Size: 8-3/4"
4.40 FYD, x.00 3C, x.00 SS, 9'11" BJ, 36-1/2" VJ, 0 BP
Senior State Line: 70 REC, 1,198 YDS, 14 TD
Best Stat Line: Senior

Jaylin Lane - Virginia Tech
Projected Round: 5th
Height: 5'9-3/4"
Weight: 191
Arm Length: 31-3/4"
Hand Size: 9-7/8"
Athleticism: 4.34 FYD, 6.75 3C, 4.12 SS, 11'0" BJ, 40" VJ, 14 BP
Senior Stat Line: 38 REC, 466 YDS, 2 TD
Best Stat Line: 69 REC, 940 YDS, 5 TD (Middle Tennessee State)

Dymere Miller - Rutgers
Projected Round 7th-UDFA
Height: 5'10-5/8"
Weight: 181
Arm Length: 32"
Hand Size: 8-5/8"
Athleticism: 4.36 FYD, 6.76 3C, 4.26 SS, 10'4" BJ, 34-1/2" VJ, 18 BP
Senior Stat Line: 59 REC, 757 YDS, 4 TD
Best Stat Line: 90 REC, 1,295 YDS, 9 TD (Monmouth)

kcbubb 04-25-2025 01:48 PM

I was checking Dont’e out and saw this. He claimed 24 mph.

https://www.on3.com/teams/tennessee-...-speed-24-mph/

Top 10 fastest mph ever, nobody over 23 mph
https://x.com/RAanalytics/status/1677874780752551936

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17996485)
Interesting advanced stats lists from Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/c...ardscontested/

Dont’e Thornton Jr is of particular interest in the thread: 6-5, 205, 4.3 speed, 25.4 ypa, x6 50+ yard plays (#1 in the nation), he excels at deep targets almost exclusively… would be an interesting weapon in KC.

Edit: I think he might be a better get for us than Savion Williams, who’s a contested catch guy and HB with 11%+ drop rate, will go in the middle rounds whereas Thornton will go late.



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