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saltydd5 03-13-2025 09:07 AM

I feel better but Veach has got to add another piece or two for insurance. Teams like Denver and Buffalo are stacking their defenses because they see what too much pressure on Patrick causes. left side suspect.

GordonGekko 03-13-2025 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by saltydd5 (Post 17997993)
I feel better but Veach has got to add another piece or two for insurance. Teams like Denver and Buffalo are stacking their defenses because they see what too much pressure on Patrick causes. left side suspect.

We need a great pass blocking TE as well to counter this, Gronkowski was a beast as a blocker

Palangi 03-13-2025 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Delano (Post 17997868)
Concerned about the left side. I think Moore will have similar problems with speed rushers that we got used to last year. Unfortunately, as of now, there will be a second year player next to Moore so that amplifies the issue. Also a bit unnerving that we’re a Moore injury away from Kingsley and Wanya playing next to each other.

Concerns with Taylor are also still prevalent.

I wonder if some of Taylor issues get cleaned up with a better left side. Mahomes won’t drift to Taylor as much, which happened often.

Deberg_1990 03-13-2025 10:34 AM

Get all these guys in camp. Andy Heck will solve all concerns

dannybcaitlyn 03-13-2025 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 17998067)
Get all these guys in camp. Andy Heck will solve all concerns

lol Heck is overrated as a oline coach as is. He has one less All pro player on the Oline now. We’re ****ed! He’s the equivalent of Bob Sutton when half his units need to be all pros or probowlers to be successful

FloridaMan88 03-13-2025 10:56 AM

Jawaan Taylor with the second highest cap # on the team at $27 million.

One more year.

Toad 03-13-2025 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17997846)
Let's break this response down.

Most?
2018 - no question, Eric Fisher
2019 - no question, Eric Fisher
2020 - no question, Eric Fisher (blows his Achilles, career over, in AFC championship game)
2021 - no question, traded 1st round pick for Orlando Brown after trying to make Trent Williams the highest paid T in the league.
2022 - no question, Orlando Brown
2023 - question, get through season with Donovan Smith
2024 - questions, try to cover position with two young players. Did not develop quickly enough/work

So really, you can say - at most - they have had TWO seasons with questions at the LT spot. And really, only one of those was a "well, we'll see what sticks" year.

2/7 or 1/7... neither is "most."



He WAS serviceable. For sure. The Chiefs offered him a lot of money and a deal on par with/better than the one he actually signed. (And even that deal was more than many were comfortable with).



Hindsight is a powerful evaluation tool, unfortunately unavailable to everyone except Doc Brown, Marty McFly, and occasionally Biff Tannen.

They had two young players with the physical tools they like at LT. They tried to get through the season and let them develop. It didn't work. Yes, it was a risk. But as pointed out, when you are drafting where the Chiefs are, and great LTs rarely make it to true free agency, it's a tough spot.



As pointed out above, they have not been going into most seasons with questions at LT.

They spent a decent chunk on Moore to try and fix LT. We don't know what the rest of the plan is. Is there another depth veteran signing coming (Cam Robinson? Jedrick Wills? D.J. Humphries?)? Will they spend another draft pick on a player at that position?

Too soon to know and evaluate. Again, unless you're Biff Tannen.

It's easy to say "FIX IT VEACH." It is quite another to, actually, fix it.

So that's what is up, Biff.

Love the Biff Tannen reference
“What are you looking at, butthead?”

Gary Cooper 03-13-2025 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 17998098)
Jawaan Taylor with the second highest cap # on the team at $27 million.

One more year.

What's the over/under on his penalties taken matching his cap total in 2025?

burt 03-13-2025 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 17997732)
it's more about the fact that this has been an issue going into most seasons since Veach has been here,a

The fact that you actually said this about the BEST GM in the NFL says all I need to know about you.

IN VEACH I TRUST.

Mike in SW-MO 03-13-2025 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17997752)
I think that Veach definitely has his eyes on someone in the draft. This move screams temporary fix, and I applaud it, and he's going to make damned sure we end up two-deep at the position.

So last 2 drafts they have spent high picks on guys that they thought could play tackle. For various reasons, both came up short last year.

They also kept another guy on the active roster, because they thought too highly of him to risk. There is a non-zero chance their future plans include Ethan Driscoll at LT.

Terrifying thought as it is, 😳 how do they develop him without playing time? I see no signs they think of him as guard. That means it is tackle or bust for the big kid.

kcbubb 03-13-2025 12:14 PM

This will probably not be popular but I’d trade up for Josh Simmons around the 20s and create more competition at LT.

philfree 03-13-2025 01:53 PM

I can fancy two or three different draft scenarios but with one I'd like to see one of the OTs slip and for Breach draft that player. Simmons because of medicals or Conerly who could turn out to be the best LG option for now with the possibility of moving to LT in a year. Sumaitaia and Wanya can compete.

Chris Meck 03-13-2025 02:03 PM

We really need the picks. So unless Conerly or Simmons somehow falls to us, I doubt it.

Delano 03-13-2025 03:27 PM

One of the other things to consider about Moore is that he’s been mediocre even with the advantage of surprise. Always seems when a backup comes in they have an advantage because the opposition hasn’t prepared for them.

On top of that he loses plenty of pass snaps. They may not result in pressure because of SF’s scheme, but he gets beat a fair amount.

Should be better in the run game.

Couch-Potato 03-13-2025 06:18 PM

Who’s going to play LG?

Chris Meck 03-13-2025 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17998549)
Who’s going to play LG?

CP: Guards are completely unimportant!

Veach: Trades Thuney

CP:OMG WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO!!!!???

liquidlounge 03-13-2025 07:14 PM

Is a healthy DJ Humphries = Jaylon Moore?

kccrow 03-13-2025 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike in SW-MO (Post 17998161)
So last 2 drafts they have spent high picks on guys that they thought could play tackle. For various reasons, both came up short last year.

They also kept another guy on the active roster, because they thought too highly of him to risk. There is a non-zero chance their future plans include Ethan Driscoll at LT.

Terrifying thought as it is, 😳 how do they develop him without playing time? I see no signs they think of him as guard. That means it is tackle or bust for the big kid.

I think they continue to look at trying to develop Driscoll at RT. At least that's my opinion. Hell, they could cut the kid, who knows.

As for the draft, now that there isn't pressure to go round 1 LT, I have my eyes on Charles Grant from William & Mary in the 3rd Round. 6'5" 311, 34-3/4" arms, elite athleticism. Needs to add bulk and strength to anchor in the NFL. Looks the part technique-wise in pass sets already. I think he's a definite option. Let's you focus on the bigger holes on the DL earlier.

Megatron96 03-14-2025 12:50 PM

Ambivalent.

I’m no OL guru, so I could well be entirely off-base. But we just traded away our best OL, a perennial All-Pro LG probably destined for the HoF, and replacing him with we’re not sure who. Then, we’ve signed yet another LT, who could be okay, but could just as easily be dirt. But he ain’t a great LT, and there’s no reason to think he’s going to be. So we’re hoping for “better than the jag offs we had in there last season.”

Then, apparently Taylor had a poor season (saw an article that said his grade was a 58 on the season) so we have to hope that he rebounds. And we all know that Trey had maybe the worst season of his career, so he has to bounce back as well.


Bottom line, this could be a terrible year for the Chiefs OL. We need to hope that coach Heck is better at his job than most around here think or this will be a pretty rough ride in 2025.

Easy 6 03-14-2025 12:54 PM

I took option two

Seriously hope they don't just hand Moore the starting LT gig because of his contract, he needs to unequivocally earn it in a three way camp battle with Humphries and Suamataia

ChiefBlueCFC 03-14-2025 12:56 PM

I’m hoping they’ll bring in someone to compete with Moore for LT… maybe Humphries? I imagine he would be cheap for 1 year. That would make me feel a little better about the line, and I’m sure they’ll draft a LT at some point in the draft.

If the left side is serviceable, then it’ll be fine and maybe the offense can actually function as intended.

kccrow 03-14-2025 01:20 PM

Wanya Morris is still on the team. In my opinion, he will be the primary reserve at LT. He played with a knee injury for a while last year, which sunk him. I still think Veach is going to get someone in the draft, but chances are you're already looking at options 1 and 2.

Mike in SW-MO 03-14-2025 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17998817)
I think they continue to look at trying to develop Driscoll at RT. At least that's my opinion. Hell, they could cut the kid, who knows.

As for the draft, now that there isn't pressure to go round 1 LT, I have my eyes on Charles Grant from William & Mary in the 3rd Round. 6'5" 311, 34-3/4" arms, elite athleticism. Needs to add bulk and strength to anchor in the NFL. Looks the part technique-wise in pass sets already. I think he's a definite option. Let's you focus on the bigger holes on the DL earlier.

Curious. Do like him with the Chiefs or the Titan's 3rd round pick?

Mike in SW-MO 03-14-2025 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17998817)
I think they continue to look at trying to develop Driscoll at RT. At least that's my opinion. Hell, they could cut the kid, who knows.

As for the draft, now that there isn't pressure to go round 1 LT, I have my eyes on Charles Grant from William & Mary in the 3rd Round. 6'5" 311, 34-3/4" arms, elite athleticism. Needs to add bulk and strength to anchor in the NFL. Looks the part technique-wise in pass sets already. I think he's a definite option. Let's you focus on the bigger holes on the DL earlier.

Curious. Do like him with the Chiefs or the Titan's 3rd round pick?


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