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AFC Stock Up / Stock Down, Post-Free Agency
(https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=357474)
The Chiefs offense fell apart without this guy. He was the new Kelce. On the way to a top 10 WR season. And we replaced him with slow ass Hopkins. Even with Rashee back we still need to add to the WR room.
DL, RB and WR. That should be our first 4 picks IMO <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"I miss him"<br><br>but it's just weeks 1-3 Rashee Rice <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/zdhwrS3Av2">pic.twitter.com/zdhwrS3Av2</a></p>— Price Carter (@priceacarter) <a href="https://twitter.com/priceacarter/status/1863972562977411354?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 3, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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The Philly defense knew our playbook as well as our WR's did. No chance to get open when the other team is running your routes for you. |
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Suamataia getting ****ed up by Hendrickson was the catalyst for Mahomes and the offense struggling. Didn't trust his blindside after that and it was obvious.
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And to the Rice point — I think early in the year, Mahomes, because of the LT issue, losing Hollywood after a strong camp, and Kelce taking a visible step or two back… that led him to lean on Rice like a crutch. It was overkill. But I think it’s safe to say now that because Brown is back, because Worthy has developed into a truly good WR, adding Rice back into that mix only means good things. No one needs force-fed. Just keep the f’n chains moving. And it’s why I think the early draft pick at RB is coming too — because even when all these WRs are somehow covered or facing conservative defenses, Reid is going to want a quick killer in the passing game out of the backfield. Mahomes getting the ball out in under 2.5 seconds is the best quarterback the sport has ever seen. |
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The absolute embarrassing lack of explosion outside of Worthy had to make the Eagles laugh their asses off. The Chiefs might have had the slowest offense in football last year. |
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I think it’s more like Philly had the #1 defense with a super fast unit in their own right, and with the styles make fights nature of the league, our running game that lacked any explosiveness was a really poor match for them. That’s before we consider the game plan stunk, and Mahomes was inaccurate from the start. |
Rice was leading the entire NFL in receptions and was 2nd in receiving yards when he got hurt.
If anyone thinks that - along with Hollywood breaking on the first play of preseason - didn't have a huge impact on our offensive numbers, please send me the name of your dispensary because you must be smoking/vaping/edible-ing some good stuff. |
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We scored 27 against a Ravens defense that was playing terrible early in the year. We scored 26 against a Bengals defense that could not stop shit. Then we scored 22 against the crappy Falcons on a nationally televised game. In Rice's final game as a Chief where he was injured we had only scored 10 points against the Chargers until late in the 4th. Sure, Rice was getting the volume and the fantasy football points. But it wasn't translating into a powerhouse offense. |
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are we at the point in the offseason where the media starts crowning the Chargers as the AFC West champs yet
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After the draft. |
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Cowherd today ranks KC 7th in power rankings, citing a bad OL and a roster getting old. The first name out of his mouth? Juju Smith-Schuster.
A guy who won’t even start. ROFL |
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How has the media STILL not learned their lesson on Herbert? |
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So much so that his takes aren’t even aligning. He said Buffalo got a lot better with Bosa yet still ranks the Chargers higher than the Chiefs. Najee Harris is that great I guess. LMAO |
We’re better this year.
Upgrade at LT, our best offensive weapon will be back in Rice, another pretty good corner… I still think omenihu comes back on a 1-year deal. If he does, we’re way better than last year |
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People like to cite our 11-0 record in one score games last year as a sign of regression coming. To me, it more so shows how our weak areas made a lot of games WAY closer than they shoulda been. So sure, maybe we will go like 7-2 in one score games next year. But I could see us winning the four other games by multiple scores. We won’t go 15-1, but we do have a shot to be a lot better equipped for the various potential playoff matchups that will inevitably occur. Last year, any team with a dominant defense would’ve gave us major problems due to the nature of our weaknesses at LT, LG, and RB. |
The difference between how good these teams are will come in the draft ultimately. We’re still the best.
Having that Sneed pick will be very helpful |
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RB, LT, WR, whatever it is — if you somehow have a first round grade available at 31, take them. Even if DL is the best case scenario. But knowing Veach, he’s going to see a McDuffie like graded player fall to the 20s, and flip 95 to go up and get them. And I’m more than OK with that if it’s a McDuffie like player. Again, having 65 makes it a lot more palatable. |
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I’m getting the feeling someone will fall to the second who has no business doing so. Burden or similar level player. If that happens, I wouldn’t hate taking an impact DL in the first. Then moving up in the second, while moving back in the third. I want to keep 7-8 total picks, but there’s a scenario the Chiefs walk away with 2 guys early that they have no business getting at 31. |
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Draft may bump that a win, or not, depending on how it falls. We still need a handful of FA's to fill holes, but I'd guess that will wait until after the draft. |
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'getting old'? LOL. Other than Kelce, who's old? Got younger on the OL. Got younger in the secondary. Got younger in the RB room. Got younger in the WR room. Got younger in the QB room. Got younger (so far) on the DL. Even Juju One-leg is only 28. And he'll be WR4 at best to start the season. |
Screw the AFC…what about the Iggles?
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Which there is some truth to. But on the whole… don’t get it. Like I said, he was talking out of both sides his mouth big time. In the same breath, he talked about how Thuney was a devastating loss that we didn’t want to have happen — despite him being old and a traded away asset. |
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Posted it in the draft forum. I like way Veach swaps picks instead of giving them away. A trade with the Vikings for 24 and 97 for 31 and 66 is even per the draft chart. I’d love that |
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When you have a mediocre offense it keeps other teams in the game. We have fielded a mediocre offense every year since Matt Nagy arrived. People say it's Andy's offense. Ok, great. But the playcalling and scheme has been stale the last two years. Just watching Mahomes throw passes at the LOS or trick plays feels like I am watching a shittier, less slick version of the offense designed for Alex Smith. I want to see us attack on offense again. |
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We still managed to win every close game we were in. That's not a negative - that's an amazing positive that you have the heart and discipline to overcome having to use your B team on offense to win games. And you do it every single time. Imagine what will happen this year if we have all those guys back... |
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The mic’d up from I believe it was the Chargers game showed me that the conservativeness was not on Matt Nagy.
He repeatedly told Mahomes, “have a **** it mentality”, “sling it, fire away” etc etc If he felt like he had to coach Mahomes to play with a **** it mentality, that tells me they saw it as a Mahomes problem. And if it was a Mahomes problem last year, you could track it back to the left tackle. |
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The problem is Mahomes playing like he's Alex Smith, not Andy/Nagy calling plays like he is. This is the same shit we saw with Alex, guys running wide open down the field. Some people blamed the offense too ten, and they were proven wrong when we got a young gunslinger.
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Meanwhile in Pittsburgh...
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero reports the Steelers are comfortable starting QB Mason Rudolph in 2025."<br><br>Fans on the other hand... <a href="https://t.co/Keys2UglSi">pic.twitter.com/Keys2UglSi</a></p>— Andy Holloway (@andyholloway) <a href="https://twitter.com/andyholloway/status/1902369978814492942?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 19, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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That’s not like him. He 1 million % throws that ball if it’s 2018 Mahomes. I think the personnel has really hurt him the last 2 years. It’s made him conservative bc he feels like he can’t make a mistake anymore bc he knows this offense can’t overcome it like it used to. |
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The audacious throws have disappeared in the past two years. I want them back. WHat can CP do to make this happen?
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This is probably going to get some push back and that's fine.
But I really think in hindsight, letting OBJr walk was the biggest mistake Veach has made up to this point. No he wasn't an elite LT, but he was serviceable and the most important thing is that Patrick trusted him and was mentally able to play freely with him protecting his blindside. I think we all thought that because he wasn't elite he was easily replaceable. This has not only proven to not be true, but the damage done to Mahomes psyche behind two years of subpar LT play has been by far the biggest consequence of this and is going to have to be undone, which may or may not be easy. We should have overpaid for him and just called it good. And to be clear, I'm not slamming Veach for this. It seemed like a shrewd move at the time and hindsight makes it look worse. But the moral of the story is you just don't mess around at LT. If Patrick trusts a guy, that's your guy and you should stick with him. Really hoping Moore can provide that same level of comfort that Brown gave Patrick and we might be back on schedule. |
JFC the amount of time things have to be explained over and over to you ****ing whiny ****s is unbelievable.
For the millionth time, OBJ is the reason he didn't get an extension, one that would've paid him even more than what he got from Cincy. Not the Chiefs, or Veach. OBJ. No amount of revisionist history changes actual history, sorry. |
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They didn't let OBJ get away. He was insulted by their offer and refused to sign. He ended up signing an inferior deal after it all.
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I still don’t get the cliche who thinks Patrick Mahomes forgot how to play QB and that Matt Nagy is a sharp play caller.
If we aren’t in the top ten for offense for the 3rd year in a row there people will just say it’s Mahomes. |
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And the evidence against Pat is voluminous and obvious. He HAS to play better or nothing will change. |
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The same Mahomes is not good crew claimed the weapons were acceptable. |
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You're almost there. |
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You’re a very good Kool Aid sipper. |
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The current version of Mahomes would play better if transported via time machine to 2018/2019. Meanwhile, the Mahomes from 2018/2019 wouldn't immediately dominate if transported to 2025. He'd have some learning to do first. That said, yes he needs to play better. Your best player makes everyone else look better. That's what happened in 2022. |
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You think our offensive play calling has been good the last two years?! Just watch other NFL games like Coen last year with Tampa and Baker. Baker is a good QB but he ain’t Mahomes. Just easy wins over and over. Our offense hasn’t done this since Nagy arrived. The SB everyone including Mahomes sucked. But the play calling wasn’t good. Philly knew our plays better than we did. We need a reboot. |
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When something goes right offensively, Andy gets the credit first on the coaching staff. When the offensive performance sucks, everyone wants Nagy fired. I understand it's easier to call for Nagy's job than Reid's, but you can't have it both ways. Andy is not a defensive minded coach. He's the brains behind this offense. The Super Bowl loss is on him first. |
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Our playbook is one of the worst in the NFL right now. How many 3 yard passes and goofy “trick” plays do you need to see before you are tired of it too? SB Eagles defenders were running our routes for us. As soon as our offense started calling all verticals and Mahomes ad libbed we got some deep shots completed. Why was our offense so bad on 1st and 2nd down but good on 3rd down and end of game?! That’s clearly showing it’s a scheme issue and the QB is making it work. |
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The o-line in particular was bad, but there were guys open down field quite often. Just a bad day to have a bad game. |
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The Eagles let up in the 4th quarter, otherwise the garbage points wouldn't have been scored. I mean, it's hard to concentrate when you're up 34-0 and know you're about to win a SB. |
It’s incredible seeing these talking points when the personnel issues limiting playcalling were as clear as ever before as well as the QB missing wide open Worthy deep all year long.
It’s like someone walking outside and saying the sky is red. There’s a reason the offense was composed of short passes. Bc the personnel outside of Worthy was ****ing horrific 90% of the season. |
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Universally people who know the NFL way better than you or me said Mahomes was not good but that the scheme and game plan was AWFUL. |
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Their defense is so shitty we could run anything on them and it would work. Houston and Philly made us look awful on offense even with wide receivers that were good enough. |
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It’s insane that people blame any coach and bitch that we had to throw short passes. The OL got Mahomes killed a lot the last 2 years. <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">All 18 plays where Raiders Had Pressure vs Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs<br><br>Charting:<br>Wanya Morris had 5 Quick Losses; 3 Late Losses for Pressures allowed<br>Jawaan Taylor had 1 Quick Loss (to Crosby); 5 Late Losses (4 to Maxx)<br>Blitz/Other OL had 6 pressures allowed (1 by LT Thuney) <a href="https://t.co/vj46XdZ6fN">pic.twitter.com/vj46XdZ6fN</a></p>— DMac Wake (@DMacWake316) <a href="https://twitter.com/DMacWake316/status/1862898327508972011?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 30, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> People want to go bombs away but won’t accept the playcalling for that can’t happen bc the LT gets Mahomes killed before the play can develop. |
We know the O-line doesn't allow for deep passes. The question is, why is the coaching staff not doing a better job of creating other routes that can actually work?
The SB gameplan was devoid of ideas. Not enough screen passes, RPO, slants, etc. Too many routes that never had a chance because of pass protection. It's like the coaching staff wanted to run what they wanted and dared Thuney/Caliendo to block their man. |
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My personal theory is that he has delegated a lot more to Nagy than people realize but if he hasn't, then Andy has lost his fastball. Our offensive play calling and game prep is no longer an advantage. Andy is close to retirement. My hope is he has one last push to reinvent the offense before he exits. |
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Hopkins is washed and can’t separate. Kareem is washed and can’t turn a 2 yard run into 10+, Kelce is washed and isn’t explosive anymore, Justin Watson isn’t explosive and can only run deep or corner routes. Look at what Rashee gave this offense before he got hurt compared to what Juju/Hopkins and Watson gave us after? We need more speed. Andy runs the WCO and it relies on speed and YAC. That’s why I firmly believe we are drafting a WR and RB with 2 of our first 3 picks next month |
Nick Wright said something interesting about Hopkins yesterday that sounded like it came from inside the building based on his wording
Said he was running his own routes and the staff started to feel like they couldn’t play him as much because it negatively impacted the offense too many times Maybe there’s only room for one guy (Kelce) to get away with that stuff |
Andy needs to get back to what worked before. The offense was amazing because he had force multipliers in Tyreek, Kelce and Kareem.
Worthy is the new Tyreek, Rice was the new Kelce intermediate middle of the field chess piece before injury. Go get another big time weapon at RB. People forget that even the 2018 offense struggled at times. They leaned on Kareem and he put the team on his back through stretches. Mahomes didn’t have this the last 2 years. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/xDi0h2p_QMs?si=WIRbpIJri6OfSPHI" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe> We ran the ball only 16.5X/game with Kareem that year but each of those runs were respected bc they knew Kareem could bust a long run at any time. We need that back. Badly |
I would love Andy to call Frank Reich in as an offensive assistant.
Reich/ Pederson (Reid offense) made Carson Wentz play at an MVP level. When Reich left Philly Pederson's offense went to shit. Reid's 2022 reboot seemed to borrow a bunch of Reich concepts. Why not bring in Reich himself to get some juice going into this offense? |
1. Chiefs
2. Bills 3. Ravens 4. Texans 5. Chargers 6. Steelers (with Rodgers) 7. Broncos 8. Bengals 9. Patriots 10. Raiders 11. Dolphins 12. Colts 13. Jags 14. Titans (assuming they draft Ward) 15. Jets 16. Browns Yeah that sounds about right |
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I’m probably higher on the Broncos and lower on the Chargers. Top 3 should always be as you have it until one of these other teams kicks the door down. Every other team needs to prove it before being anointed. |
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It’s been cracking me up seeing some Broncos and Chargers truthers saying they’re gonna take us down.
They’ll both be tough playoff teams but they ain’t us |
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