Man, I read an article a few years back where they tried to go into the expansion of the universe and how that expansion, when combined with the necessary changes in properties of matter and energy, actually supports the idea that time has slowed down SUBSTANTIALLY over several thousand years. Like, the speed of light was THOUSANDS of times faster then than it is now because there was so much more energy in the universe.

Essentially the argument was that decay and everything else was greater then because the levels of energy that existed in the universe at that time was substantially greater as well.

The conclusions were that radio carbon dating could be off by exponential levels IF the math has changed over the course of thousands of years due to simple entropy.

It was fascinating but just batshit enough (and beyond my baseline understanding of physics enough) that I found it quaint fodder for conversation but nothing that was going to fundamentally alter my outlook on life.

So I'm not saying that's a correct read on things, but I am saying that it's a hell of a lot more likely than not that we've overlooked something like that which would make everything we've ever thought we've known fundamentally wrong.

The more we understand about quantum mechanics, string theory, relativity, and dark matter, the more likely it is that "aliens" are more likely "us" from a parllel universe. A different universe, a better universe, one where the Chiefs traded up two spots in 2010 and drafted Trent Williams.

So they used a pile of stones to navigate despite the fact that arriving here in the first place would have required faster-than-light travel. Come on, man.

If only it was capapble of dating rocks!

I mean something as (relatively) basic as Relativity tore apart our understanding of time.

125 years ago none of this stuff was even remotely discussed. Time was time; the same as it has ever been and will ever be.

We know essentially a fraction of what we need to know to fully understand Relativity and even that small amount of information subjects every single bit of our understanding of historical time to scrutiny.

Once time became variable, all bets were off. And even Relativity as we understand it is unlikely to survive another 100 years. Someone will rip that asunder as well.

Their technology was placed atop the stones.

String theory and multiple dimensions is where I always pull the ejection handle.

It's how I know I've reached the level of my intellect and imagination. Anything I have to say on that topic is almost certainly bullshit. So I generally just tap out.

It's remarkable, remarkable stuff. And again, calls into question anything and everything we've ever thought we've understood about the universe.

“The Great Pyramid of Giza exhibits a remarkable alignment with the cardinal points (north, south, east, and west), with its sides deviating only a fraction of a degree”

These guys were incredibly accurate and precise. They had to have been significantly smarter than we ever gave them credit for. Of course we are technologically smart, but they understand math and physics as well as we do.

A chamber dug nearly half a mile beneath the Earth is an incredible feat. It’s unbelievable for their time. I’m not saying Aliens helped them bc I don’t believe in Aliens.

I hope they can find a way to get down there via drone of other technology. I’m fascinated to see what the hell could be down there.

YOU NEVER PLAYED WITH LEGOS?

Mind-boggling! There is a Cosmology professor from Ariz St that is an "expert" on Inflation who claims the universe has stopped expanding in some areas, but is still expanding in others. So that REALLY screws up time in our universe! One area, possibly inhabited by intelligent life is aging at warp speed, while others like Keith Richards. I don't like many TV shows, so I mostly watch science and history...they make you feel really dumb. They make you feel like Dextor Manley sitting for the SAT.

The historical records of many ancient civilizations including those in the Bible support the idea that time is compressing.

C14 dating relies on a relationship between unstable and stable molecules like C18. Fundamentally, C14 dating assumes that our carbon-based atmosphere is at equilibrium. It's a fixed equation.

Nobody on any side believes our atmosphere is stable and not changing. C14 dating is simply flawed.

New Kingdom is not the Old Kingdom. Old Kingdom, the bronze age. New Kingdom is iron age. There is a 650 year difference, two intermediate periods, and the Middle Kingdom between them.

Everyone's army in the bronze age was made of a warrior elite with bronze armor and weapons with lighter armed peasant archers, slingers, and skirmishers since the materials for making bronze were somewhat rare and expensive. Unlike later iron ore which is incredibly common.

Indeed.

What we know now vs. what we knew thousands of years ago, when recorded as a percentage of what there IS to know, remains nothing more than a rounding error, IMO.

I don't think we know a damn thing.

Which is why I find it so hilarious when we shit on those from pre-recorded history.

In the words of the immortal poet, Ben Folds -- The more you know, you know you don't know shit...

I only know that carbon is needed...how accurate would you say c dating could get if dating something 5,000 yrs old? 100 years? 1,000 yrs?

We do. In Egypt. The Bent pyramid and Meidum pyramids were two early sloped pyramids in which the engineering was bad. The Meidum actually partially collapsed and the bent pyramid is bent because they changed the angle to prevent it from collapsing.

Well, I mentioned it in the Must Watch Series thread but it's relevant here as well.

I just finished watching The Last Kingdom and I was fascinated with how they portrayed Alfred. He was one of those 1% you talked about earlier. The one man in his age that saw the value in writing things down. If he wasn't OCD about his ink, we'd have virtually no written accounts of the roughly 600 years between the collapse of the Romans and the arrival of the Normans.

Not that the period was a marvel of human innovation at all but it demonstrates the fragility of a human history that was largely word of mouth for over 5000 years. We have barely scratched the surface in understanding ancient cultures.

Sounds similar to what was covered in Graham Hancock's "Fingerprints of the Gods".

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, but Egypt at the time of Giza pyramid construction was absolutely capable and even expanded its footprint.

I'm an historian, not a physicist but my understanding is that the older the object, the less accurate the dating is.

So using carbon dating for things 10's of thousands of years old and even older isn't all that relevant.

I never read that, and I'm sure there is a lot of overlap. I think "The Atlantis Blueprint" focues more on the pyramids, and less on lost time frames and lost civilizations. I'm sure both are fascinating and worth reading a few times.

There's definitely something to the lost civilization theories. Think about it this way - we thought Homer's Troy was a mythical place for what, 3 millennia before archaeologists dug up the real city?

Past about 40k years, the isotopes are a bit to indistinguishable to be super accurate

So out past that, you've gotta use other techniques.

I went to Egypt circa 1983. Took a Taxi(was cheaper than a bus) from Eilat in Israel to Cairo. No air conditioning as we make our way through Negev desert the Taxi driver stops the Taxi goes out into the desert about 10 yards, pulls down his pants and takes a shit. Wipes his ass with sand, pours a little water on his hand to wipe the shit/sand off his hand. Starts driving again. We are in the middle if a huge desert, the smell from the driver and the 120 degree weather in a car without air con. We considered getting put in the middle of the desert and hitchhike the rest of the way but we didn't have enough water..... it was not my favorite taxi ride.

The pyramids at night was fantastic. We climbed up the Giza pyramid and watched the sunset. It was against the law but tourists were just told to get off there. Egyptian museum was fantastic. The city was a shithole. Women are not safe. Back then the locals were raping women was common, no reprecussions unless it was someone's wife.

I'd seriosly skip this if its on your bucket list. It's just not a safe place.

It's funny how often we take a single source as 'fact' (for instance, Herodotus) and then dismiss that same source if/when he starts talking about events we're predisposed to dismiss.

So much of what we claim to know about the Persian empire, for instance, comes from one or two guys and word of mouth. And it becomes unassailable truth.

History is generally written by the victors. At least, it was that way from the Bronze Age through the Iron Age. We often only have one side of the story, if we have an account of the story at all.

I can do that in 10 seconds.

There are massive leaps in human evolution that have been made obvious by science. With that have been massive leaps in technology.

We've seen in more recent history the insane contributions that Leonardo Da Vinci and Nikola Tesla brought to the world.

No doubt there were absolutely brilliant people of ancient times who brought similar technological advances. Hell, we're still wrapping our heads around some of Tesla's work, including wireless electricity.

I don't doubt for a minute that people back then were capable of profoundly incredible feats and we simply do not have the written or archeological records to support it yet. We know they had the wheel, pulleys, and the like. Moving large objects doesn't seem all that difficult. Precision cutting is what we probably need an answer for.

The Giza pyramids do have the look of chemical reactors of some sort with the way the chambers that were already found were designed. Now it looks even more so. For what, who knows yet.

All that said, I do believe in Aliens but whether or not they'd bother helping us is another thing.

The information in the first post is untrue. While the two people cited in the post did makes a study the results were not in anyway what is being claimed. They two scientists think that the pyramids on the Giza plateau were built with self draining flood control, probably to preserve burial and burial goods from water damage.

........ yeah, the half-life of carbon-14 is defintely quack science.

ignoring the rest of your comment which is accurate--- gobekli tepe is insane levels of cool... but yeah... doubting C-14 dating is like doubting physics.

you know when you can start doubting radiocarbon dating? when living organisms aren't carbon based.

when the half-life of carbon-14 is observed to be something other than the normal (off top of head--- 524 years?).

otherwise, non starter.

fertile crescent is roughly 10,000 bce.

depends on your use. dating formerly living things? gold. for dating non-living things? bunk.

edit to mention yeah, there's an upper range because at a certain point you run out of all the half-lives worth of c-14

Some people are gullible.. Surprised they didn’t say Amelia Earharts plane was down there.. That technology isn’t capable of seeing detail that deep..

I'm a ways out of undergrad physics and organic chem here, but IIRC, there was a threshold where you are capped in terms of carbon dating?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions on this but I find it strange to think that these were erected to be a tomb. The corridors are so incredibly precise and nothing about any of it suggests it should be a tomb.

You also look at the fact that their standard mastabas for burial don't exude any of the same types of efforts for anyone for any reason and it just all seems like too large an undertaking to bury someone, no matter the prominence.

As for the comment made about depth of GPR, it's largely correct based on my experience working for a GIS company that did above and sub-terranean locating. GPR doesn't go that deep and if it did, it would take quite the machine and power.

I recall seeing some 6.5 ft deep anomalies reported like a year ago near the pyramid but not 650 ft.

Mastabas were the first step in the evolution to the great pyramids. Mastaba -> step pyramids -> meidum pyramid -> bent pyramid -> great sloped pyramids.

Yep, it loses reliability at roughly 50,000 years. They use potassium-argon dating for much older things

The original hieroglyphics inside the pyramids themselves state their purpose as tombs.

Something that makes it very challenging for understanding the past is the rising sea levels How many Gobekli Tepes must be buried under the oceans? When the oceans really started rising 10,000 years ago we must have lost a ton of progress which didn’t really start to be regained until 4-5,000 years ago. So there’s a good at least 4,000 years where the process of civilization development was completely paused. Amazing to think what things could be like now if that gap in development didn’t happen.

The only thing that has them as tombs is graffiti that is believed to be from a worker when they were built, but there is some belief the graffiti was forged by early European explorers to try and garner news attention shortly after we were able to translate it.

If you really want your mind blown, look at this. A 500,000 year old wooden structure was unearthed in Zambia. Anatomically modern humans have only been around for like 200,000 years, which means whoever built this wasn’t “human” but some other species of ancient hominid.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66846772

There's an entire collection called The Pyramid Texts that covers this in great detail. There are many sources. Not just some worker's graffiti.

Not much more impressive than a chimp using a stick to catch termites.

Neanderthal man was around much longer than us and had culture and maybe even speech of some type.

Really? I think using a rock to smash open a shell or a twig to reach further into a termite mound is, like, absolute bare minimum requirement for being considered “using tools”.

A structure with notched wood? That’s next level shit. I don’t think we see even great apes today do anything like that despite literally living in environments surrounded by wood.

If David Attenborough released a documentary tomorrow with a chimp colony building a lean-to it would be groundbreaking lol

No doubt, though I believe Neanderthals were chilling up in Europe. This structure was discovered in Southern Africa so there’s a very good chance it was some other hominid.

Which is honestly mind blowing in its own right. If you went back 100,000 years ago, there were, like, six hominid species living on the planet at the same time. We know we are the only ones left. We also know we carry DNA from many of those groups so there had to be a lot of ****ing (raping too, probably).

How did interactions typically fare? Was it kill on-site? Only skirmishes over local resources? Did they trade? Did they trade information and tech?

To be a fly on a pile of wildebeest shit 50,000 years ago..

I could be wrong, but I'm fairly certain that a mummy or human remains have ever been found inside a pyramid, especially in supposed sarcophagi.

If someone wants to point me to actual evidence of that, I'll gladly oblige in reading it.

Until then, it seems more likely that "tomb" is a misinterpretation.

You're going to give me a source I can write?

It looks like the book referenced by Lehner is the only true "source." I may check that out.

Would.

Well that took longer than I thought....

The Sumerians wrote in cuneiform that we originated as a DNA splice between their species (they came here from their home planet that originates near the belt of Orion) and humans. They created us as a slave race to mine gold that they could bring back to their home planet to help fix their atmosphere.

And it’s outside the box low key plausible. Everything funnels to gold eventually.

Side note…a few thousand years later, they stopped by the virgin marys place…

Here’s my take.

They WERE TOMBS.

Until the system broke down piece by piece in the centuries after tut and the heiarchy KNEW the tombs in the pyramids would be looted and their ancestors afterlife destroyed.

So they started carving out burial tombs in the valley to move them to, one by one. To preserve them. This was kinda their knights Templar..

Recommend me books and TV shows immediately.

think about all of the undiscovered shit in the Amazon and other parts of the world

Society is getting dumber and dumber by the minute.

When we finally discover Atlantis, everything will change.

The Atlanteans were the alien race known as the "Tall Whites."

They were often mistaken by primitive man as Angels.

<iframe width="1840" height="1035" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/EieUJvKrjo4" title="Our Alien Overlords | How We Secretly Serve The Tall Whites" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe>

that's ancient aliens stuff. this guy would know where to look:

No shit, this place is really slipping. LMAO

I'm curious about the opposite. Maybe they weren't tombs originally and when they stopped using them they tossed a couple of bodies in a few of them. Even based on the wiki information shared by Fish, there is zero consistency and there isn't much in the way of noting where body parts were found in the ones that did have them. I've watched some shows on it and most of the notable supposed sarcophagi never had remains found in them.

A lot of theories exist about vibration chambers, chemical reactors, and so on. They are very precise, that much we know. It seems like simply making tombs wouldn't require that level of precision.

They were tombs. The only source of doubt on that is quack shows on the Travel channel. There is plenty of evidence to support it. The majority were plundered. But their original purpose was never really in doubt. They've been studied for thousands of years.

https://www.si.edu/spotlight/ancient-egypt/pyramid

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/pyramid/explore/age2.html

So they don't find pharaoh mummies in pyramids, but they've found some (or at least Tut) in the Valley of the Kings.

This can only lead to one conclusion. The pharaohs are taken to the afterlife from the pyramids in their own bodies, but not from the underground tombs.

There's actually not all that much evidence to support it. Hieroglyphs depicting some sort of family life of the king and such don't necessarily mean with absolution that they were tombs. We think they were tombs but even the links you sent say specifically "the scarcity of ancient records, however, makes it difficult to be sure of the uses of all the buildings in the pyramid complex or the exact burial procedures." We really don't even know 100% that they are or were tombs. Is it likely? Sure, I can agree with it being likely. It could also be, like the pyramids of the Americas, that they were religious temples. Maybe these pyramids helped foster some advanced technology for the time that we don't even have now and we're simply missing the boat by not questioning. Doubtful? Probably, and maybe likely just a conspiracy theory. I feel it's definitely within reason to question what they were for. We don't have all of the answers about the pyramids and we may never have them. Building something that large, with the level of precision and layout with which they were built, seems very, very odd if only to be a burial chamber. Quite the lavish chamber. Not only that, you are using your slave force on something like that rather than for the betterment of you or your people. Hmm.

There's still a few left

https://imagez.tmz.com/image/aa/4by3...0bf02ab_md.jpg

If the pyramids were built as a tourist item, then it was a very good investment. They're still drawing tourists 4,000 years later.

These threads are always interesting to see into the minds of your CP peers.

I did not have Bosschief as an Ancient Astronaut theorist on my BINGO card.

On my recent trip to Antarctica, I looked for aliens and Nazis, but I didn't see any. I did, however, see a suspiciously large concentration of penguins.

Hey, is there any chance that the aliens are actually penguins?

I bet the pyramids were here well before the Egyptians. The beings who built them, and the structures underneath them, made an energy creating device that generates energy from sound, and were using that energy that’s being transmitted from the pyramids to their home planet. And they’re using that energy.

Maybe these things help power the sun, which they use for their own energy, and/or their lighted paths across the universe.

Maybe I shouldn’t have eaten all those shrooms??

So if aliens built these things, why did are there so many different types (read: failures) on the way up to the Giza pyramids?

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e5/47/71/e...94aaece387.jpg

The reality is there is a whole pile of shit we don't know about early civilizations. Largely because a lot of stuff we do know is in arid areas where shit doesn't degrade as quickly. But it's hard for me to go whole hog into ALIENS, mostly because there is a LOT we don't know.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WTF is going on under the Giza pyramids? <a href="https://t.co/X3d24jPbEs">pic.twitter.com/X3d24jPbEs</a></p>&mdash; 8BitTendies (@8BitTendies) <a href="https://twitter.com/8BitTendies/status/1902385917253374382?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 19, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Would.

Yeah, this sort of thing is ignored when people get into their conspiracies. There are tons more pyramids than the Great Pyramids. There are even more pyramids in Sudan than Egypt.

Pyramids are also the simplest structure to build next to a straight-up wall. I’m not surprised that they’ve been built by so many civilizations across the globe.

Where does all the stuff about vibrations come from anyway? That seems to be the most popular idea on why the pyramids were built - as mechanisms to harness vibrations as power or some shit. Where tf did that idea even come from?

The Aliens took the rain away to save their structures. Those bastards

Randall Carlson on the JRE was where I first came about it.

I just know those things weren’t built solely by man power and pulleys. There’s no way

Have you read about Tesla's experiments with vibrations? It's kind of freaky stuff. I wonder if the pyramid vibration theories arose around that time when he was getting attention.

Watching NPC normies try to "so what" this stuff is hysterical. I'm never surprised at how stupid so many of the nitwits around us are. Trying to get them to understand the engineering going on here is like trying to educate a dog to understand calligraphy. There's no point. It's okay if they can't understand it. Don't try to get them to. They don't have the capacity to.

Should be in RR.

From Ed Leedskalnin

Hmm, I had not. I only looked briefly and was not able to find any first-hand accounts from Tesla, but it appears he was very interested in the Great Pyramids and believed they were created to harness energy from the atmosphere.

Sounds like that theory started with him. Thank you for clueing me in.