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tooge 06-15-2011 12:16 PM

I dont foil mine first either. I am a believer in a good sear with a good bark will keep moisture in the meat. I also think that the meat is either moist or not. You can dry out a moist piece of meat, but some pieces are just dry to begin with due to having a fraction less fat in the animal. I think the only way to guarantee a moist piece of meat is to inject it with similar juice to its own (chicken stock or broth for pork, and beef for beef). Otherwise, I've found constant mopping and turning to produce a bark that seals in whatever moisture the meat contains.

MOhillbilly 06-15-2011 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tooge (Post 7699224)
I dont foil mine first either. I am a believer in a good sear with a good bark will keep moisture in the meat. I also think that the meat is either moist or not. You can dry out a moist piece of meat, but some pieces are just dry to begin with due to having a fraction less fat in the animal. I think the only way to guarantee a moist piece of meat is to inject it with similar juice to its own (chicken stock or broth for pork, and beef for beef). Otherwise, I've found constant mopping and turning to produce a bark that seals in whatever moisture the meat contains.


what size we talkin here?

tooge 06-15-2011 12:32 PM

really anything from a pork loin , pork backstrap(tenderloin) , pork shoulder, bone in chop, or something like a beef tri-tip roast, brisket, etc.. I dont really do this on steaks unless its a lean cut like a top sirloin.

tooge 06-15-2011 12:33 PM

sorry MoH, that didn't really answer your question. I'd say anything thick enough that the time to bring the center to temp would possibly dry out the outer parts of it.

MOhillbilly 06-15-2011 12:37 PM

What type of smoker do you have tooge?

Tryin to put some shit together in my brain for an experiment.

tooge 06-15-2011 12:42 PM

a few months ago I got rid of my offset stickburner and got the 22 inch weber smokey mountain. Love it. SOB holds 225 to 250 for 8 or 9 hours with no additions.

Fire Me Boy! 06-15-2011 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tooge (Post 7699224)
I dont foil mine first either. I am a believer in a good sear with a good bark will keep moisture in the meat. I also think that the meat is either moist or not. You can dry out a moist piece of meat, but some pieces are just dry to begin with due to having a fraction less fat in the animal. I think the only way to guarantee a moist piece of meat is to inject it with similar juice to its own (chicken stock or broth for pork, and beef for beef). Otherwise, I've found constant mopping and turning to produce a bark that seals in whatever moisture the meat contains.

Actually... the food science guys say a high-heat sear actually makes the meat lose more moisture. For moisture retention, you're better off at lower temperatures.

That said, I like a good sear, so I'm willing to let a little of that moisture go.

MOhillbilly 06-15-2011 12:52 PM

for clarity. You have a ten pound bone out loin. how many times an hour do you mop?

tooge 06-15-2011 12:58 PM

I'll mop that about every half hour or so. With the sugar in my mop (apple juice), I have to watch to make sure it doesn't get too black, but usually thats not a problem.

Fire Me Boy! 06-15-2011 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly (Post 7699298)
for clarity. You have a ten pound bone out loin. how many times an hour do you mop?

Why would you have a bone out loin? The bone adds a ton of flavor.

tooge 06-15-2011 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 7699291)
Actually... the food science guys say a high-heat sear actually makes the meat lose more moisture. For moisture retention, you're better off at lower temperatures.

That said, I like a good sear, so I'm willing to let a little of that moisture go.

I've read that as well, but I'm with you. I don't dispute alton brown, but my experience is that a leaner piece of meat is best seared then mopped, and a fattier piece of meat is best slow cooked and mopped.

Fire Me Boy! 06-15-2011 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tooge (Post 7699335)
I've read that as well, but I'm with you. I don't dispute alton brown, but my experience is that a leaner piece of meat is best seared then mopped, and a fattier piece of meat is best slow cooked and mopped.

I saw the AB show, but first read it in Cook's Illustrated. They actually did it with a pork butt, if I'm not mistaken.

For me, lean meats are starting to go into the sous vide and then finished on the grill. Fattier gets smoked. :D

MOhillbilly 06-15-2011 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 7699317)
Why would you have a bone out loin? The bone adds a ton of flavor.

cause bone ins are 50#s plus.

MOhillbilly 06-15-2011 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tooge (Post 7699316)
I'll mop that about every half hour or so. With the sugar in my mop (apple juice), I have to watch to make sure it doesn't get too black, but usually thats not a problem.

so apple juice over cider vinegar?

MOhillbilly 06-15-2011 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 7699357)
I saw the AB show, but first read it in Cook's Illustrated. They actually did it with a pork butt, if I'm not mistaken.

For me, lean meats are starting to go into the sous vide and then finished on the grill. Fattier gets smoked. :D


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