Titus
Surely not trying to dodge someone as august as yourself, what post and what question did I not answer? I not do respond to your name calling but only a valid question.

Donko John,
You see you and I have a major difference of opinion on this, I DON"T THINK OPPORTUNITY IS A PROBLEM! You on the other hand do. Tell me, how do you address a "problem" like opportunity with out doing away with it? This baffles me quiet a bit. :confused:

STitus
Your opinion that opportunity is not a problem for minorities is bunk, and you know it. To slam someone to express this opinion which we all know to be true is slime.

I don't think opportunity, per se, is the problem. Opportunity in general is a great thing. But I'm not talking about opporunity in general. I'm talking about SPECIFIC opportunities. You haven't picked up on this.

I have an opportunity to sell drugs to children at school (rhetorically speaking, of course). I'm not going to take that opportunity, because I'm not desperate enough to do that. The opportunity still exists. Some would argue that something should be done to eliminate this opportunity, so that our kids don't get sold drugs. Are you telling me that this opportunity is a good opportunity?

Again, I ask... Are you confused?

Good job man... You showed me.

Donko John,
when you make such a blanket statement as "the problem is opportunity" and not be specific, how the he!! am I suposed to know what you are talking about?


I am starting to think Donko John is really a woman, she just expects you to know what is on her mind.



Oleman,
are you talking to me? Cause I don't see Titus posting here right now.

Well, you could start by actually taking the time to read. I just got done with a fabulous dissertation on this, and I specifically asked people, much like you, to pay attention. So please, before you just jump in, do some due diligence as to what is going on.


Even though I just nailed you to the wall, I'm sure someone will be by to pat you on the back for taking care of me with such eloquence... Now go back and read...

For your benefit, I will repost... Please keep up with the discussion next time, especially if you are going to be name calling the whole time...



First of all, from your response, it is obvious that you aren't paying attention to what is going on here. You just *think* that you have.

I did not quickly jump to racial ephhets. It wasn't until Frazod started talking about shooting Mexicans as a solution that I jumped in that direction. For the life of me, I can't figure out why it is such a huge stretch to call someone who advocates shooting Mexicans to solve problems a racist. Especially when you consider that his problem seems to be with mexican immigrants... Not a word of illegal immigrants from Canada, though they exist (yes, it's a problem). It is evident that there is a racial bias here, especially when you hear the complaints about language differences.

As for opportunity being part of the problem... I've gone over this in great detail, but as you insist that I go over it again, I'll ask that you pay attention this time.

First of all, lets establish that wages in Mexico are terrible. Part of the problem is because of American infulence in Mexican politics. American companies enjoy cheap labor... Especially from Mexico, because freight costs become cheaper than shipping over seas. American influence has contributed to corrupting the Mexican government, making Minimum wage more of a ceiling than a floor for wages.

However, there is a great opportunity across the border. Farmers everywhere will pay good money by Mexico standards to illegal immigrants for working on the farms. This is opportunity. In order to iliminate a large part of the flow of illegal immigrants, you must address opportunity. CONSIDER THIS A SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM. You cannot stop the flow without addressing this opportunity. Period. No two ways around it.

Consider, however, what happens if you do stop this flow. Farmers will have to pay more money to American workers. Know anyone American who is willing to hoe beets at 75 cents a row? I don't. So already poor farmers get poorer, and pass the costs along to the consumer.

Again, no one here has even so much as attempted to give me an answer to this problem, despite all of the back slapping going on here. This opportunity is the number one source of Illegal immigrantion in the US (from Mexico).

The second opportunity is more organized, and more dangerous to society. America has a huge appetite for drugs. Because the United States refuses to control the drug problem, a huge opportunity is created on the black market for them. It used to be, mexican drug lords were forced to run cocaine from South America, across Mexico, and into the US. For all their work, they only received a small percentage of the profits... And they had to rely on someone else for those profits. Until someone came along and invented Crystal Meth. Crystal Meth, created largely in thanks to the U.S. War on Drugs, liberated Mexican drug lords from Columbian drugs. Now they've got a product that packs a much longer high, they can create it in their own labs in the US. The only thing you need to smuggle into the country is the materials to make it, including the cooks. The amount of people from Mexico that you need to smuggle in is much, much, much less than come in due to farming, but it doesn't make it any less of a problem...

So, if your solution to this problem is stopping the people, you aren't really solving the problem. The opportunity will still exist to sell drugs to a society who will dole out billions of dollars each and every year for them. The solution is to CONTROL the drug problem by controlling the drugs. If the US Controls the sale of Drugs, they control the opportunity, virtually eliminating it, and turning off the spigot of Illegal immigrants.

So if you really want to discuss how to solve illegal immigration, YOU CAN"T GET AWAY FROM THESE TWO MAJOR POINTS. It's impossible... Unless you just want to ignore the real problem, and attack the people instead. When you attack the people, instead of the problem, it is not a huge stretch to racism.

But go on, and keep patting yourselves on the backs. It's much easier than facing the truth.

Taco...the influx of Canadians into the U.S. is totally due to your agressive recruitment of our professionals. We currently have a so-called "brain-drain" of epidemic proportions, and our health care system in particular is really paying the price. As well, our education system up here is on par or better than yours, and we can't pay our graduates what the Americans are offering.

OK, I'm back. I'm having trouble staying on the Planet tonight.


Donko John,
I'll admit that I wasn't paying as close attention to your physco-babble tonight as I was last night. All those accusations of being racists gets a little old and annoying after a while.

Since you seem to have figured out the main problem, why don't YOU offer a solution. You keep telling us to come up with one, but I don't see you offering one. Since you seem to have the problem cornered on this, you should take the lead in coming up with a solution.


Oh, and one other thing -



It has already been established in this thread that Frazod's problems are not with Mexicans as such, he would have the same problem with any other ethnicity causing the same problems that the Mexicans currently are.

Please keep up with the discussion next time....

FINALLY ABLE TO GET BACK ON THE BOARD. Is it just me, or is the Planet in low orbit this evening?

Boy, Taco really seems to live for dissecting my posts. I'm glad I can bring so much joy to his life.

I didn't offer a serious response to your crap because you don't rate a serious response. Everything you said earlier talked about how America fucks up Mexico, like they have no responsibility in fucking it up themselves. Of course, we all know that liberals never take responsibility for anything, least of all their own problems.

So again, your answer is "we've got nothing, so we'll take what you have." The problem is, you're not entitled to take what we have. This "opportunity" stuff is a bunch of crap. What gives these foreigners the right to take things that don't belong to them? Are you a professional thief? Is that why you have no problem with this concept?

I also like the "killing for Cheetos" twist you put on my quote. So now I'm apparently an evil dictator who kills people for junk food. And to think my guidance counselor said I'd never amount to anything.

Jamie, nice one (or as Taco would say, here's pat on the back) about the jungle thing, but please don't confuse Taco with facts - they are as foreign to him as, say, illegal immigrants are to us.

I am having trouble on the Planet as well
 

Tim,
thanks, and no kiddin'!

I think everyone here can see that the reason you didn't offer a serious response is because you are nailed to the wall, and can't really come up with anything worthwile to attack my very valid points...

No worries. I didn't expect it from you. I've come to the conclusion that you have nothing to offer this argument but hate...

I'll wait for Lapdog to come and bail you out...

You out there Lassie? Timmy just fell in a well.

The reason I haven't posed a solution is because I'm not going to pretend that there is an easy answer. It's not as easy as putting up a border guard... And every solution costs more money... The question then becomes, is the money we are spending to combat this problem going to be more or less than we are paying with the status quo. The answer is most likely "no."

I don't have all the facts and figures. Neither do you.

Taco, I see you that you ignore my question on the language of this country. Show me a school system in the United States which teaches anything other than English as the primary language.

Here is another reason we need to curb illegal immigration.

California authorities requested compensation from the federal government in FY99 for the incarceration expenses for 11,236,513 days of detention for illegal alliens in state and local jails and prisons. The cost of detention amounted to $615,860143. Under the Federal State Criminal Alien Assistance Program, California received $237,981,284 in compansation, leaving $378,494,042 in uncompensated costs to be borne by California taxpayers. The SCAAP program began in 1994 and compensates the state and local jurisdictions only for incarceration of undocumented,..i.e illegal aliens who are serving time for a felony or at least two misdemeanors.
In FY'00 California received $240,784,042 from SCAAP. Even though the federal assistance was higher, less money was available overall, so taxpayers were forced to absorb a larger share of the cost of criminal incarceration.

24% of CA is white males and the rest are minorities?