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Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=202838)

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Originally Posted by Crush (Post 5514767)

Dude, your full name, address, place of employment, telephone number, and every other little secret that you may have is up for the taking.

I highly suggest that you stop this little game before the detectives decide to go to work.

Shhhhhhhhhh!

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5514765)

Ah. Excuse me.

I'm so wrapped up in the Zombie files that I might have missed the boat. Many apologies.

I will lower my bullshit ranking from 100% to, oh..., 98%.

He's not going to keep a lock down at 1 Arrowhead and then make that type of tell.

Right, it's still no doubt bullshit. But at least it makes a little more sense why it is even worth mentioning.

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan (Post 5514758)

For not being you, or like you.

Are you talking rep points? Yeah not surprisingly I got a ton. Can't check it on my wireless but the last time I was on the computer I had a lot of positive feedback from the majority here who think you guys are complete ass holes but don't want to mix it up with you like I'm willing too.
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5514756)

Well, I think his point is that it just so happens that New England holds the #23 pick. Could there be something to the Cassel rumor or whatever

That was exactly what I was getting at.

I know we're likely to hear that kind of thing, being in need of a QB and all, but it sounds kind of funny hearing all this about Pioli and Cassel today...then to read a quote where he mentions the 23rd pick....maybe he's baiting DET or another team...maybe it was freudian....maybe it was complete horses**t...just thought I'd share the article.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5514757)

I expended a shit ton of ordinance, and I'm able to swing a decent stick.

I almost wonder if he's bankrolled by some long-surviving true fans hiding in the shadows.

I think so. Zombo's reign of terror is obviously supported by dark masters, Mr. 'Hamas' Jenkins. I fear for our sanity.

FAX

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5514757)

I almost wonder if he's bankrolled by some long-surviving true fans hiding in the shadows.

Given the Planet hierarchy in this area, the options would be somewhat slim; that's why I have reservations about this theory.

Well, I've had my fun with Zombo. He obviously has nothing better to do then play internet troll, but it is time to get off of this gravy train.

Although I would enjoy it to see the #3 traded down just to hear the wailing and crying the hot topic in new england is a rumor of the chiefs trading their 2nd round pick (35) and first in 2010 for Cassel which would make heads explode too. If the chiefs did that who would you then pick with the #3?
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This just in from KC Crow, a very reputable poster from across the hall.

Use as you will:

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I've done some research for ya'll...
I have considered all QBs taken in the first 32 picks since 1990 (For consistency).
Pro Bowl selections were used as the criteria for "success" (in alignment with the stated study and for consistency even though I may not agree with this method).

Here is the data through the 2008 draft:
Of those, 15 were underclassmen and 28 were seniors for a total of 43 QBs.
Of the 15 underclassmen, 5 have been selected to the ProBowl (33%).
Of the 28 seniors, 10 have been selected to the ProBowl (36%).
Of all QBs (43), 15 have been selected to the ProBowl (35%).

Conclusion... Being an underclassmen doesn't mean you will be more or less successful in the NFL than a senior!

Here is teh data through the 2006 draft (to eliminate the "time will tell" players)
Of those, 14 were underclassmen and 26 were seniors for a total of 40 QBs.
Of the 14 underclassmen, 5 have been selected to the ProBowl (36%).
Of the 26 seniors, 10 have been selected to the ProBowl (38%).
Of all QBs (40), 15 have been selected to the ProBowl (38%).

Conclusion... It still doesn't matter!

Here is the data set:
Year - Pick - Underclassmen/Senior - Name - Pro Bowls - Success/Failure
1990 - 1 - U - Jeff George - 0 - F
1990 - 7 - U - Andre Ware - 0 - F
1991 - 16 - S - Dan McGwire - 0 - F
1991 - 24 - U - Todd Marinovich - 0 - F
1992 - 6 - S - David Klingler - 0 - F
1992 - 25 - U - Tommy Maddox - 0 - F
1993 - 1 - U - Drew Bledsoe - 4 - S
1993 - 2 - S - Rick Mirer - 0 - F
1994 - 3 - U - Heath Shuler - 0 - F
1994 - 6 - U - Trent Dilfer - 1 - S
1995 - 3 - S - Steve McNair - 1 - S
1995 - 5 - S - Kerry Collins - 2 - S
1997 - 26 - S - Jim Druckenmiller - 0 - F
1998 - 1 - S - Peyton Manning - 10 - S
1998 - 2 - U - Ryan Leaf - 0 - F
1999 - 1 - U - Tim Couch - 0 - F
1999 - 2 - S - Donovan McNabb - 4 - S
1999 - 3 - S - Akili Smith - 0 - F
1999 - 11 - S - Daunte Culpepper - 3 - S
1999 - 12 - S - Cade McNown - 0 - F
2000 - 18 - S - Chad Pennington - 0 - F
2001 - 1 - U - Michael Vick - 4 - S
2001 - 32 - S - Drew Brees - 4 - S
2002 - 1 - S - David Carr - 0 - F
2002 - 3 - S - Joey Harrington - 0 - F
2002 - 32 - S - Patrick Ramsey - 0 - F
2003 - 1 - S - Carson Palmer - 1 - S
2003 - 7 - S - Byron Leftwich - 0 - F
2003 - 19 - S - Kyle Boller - 0 - F
2003 - 22 - U - Rex Grossman - 0 - F
2004 - 1 - S - Eli Manning - 1 - S
2004 - 4 - S - Philip Rivers - 1 - S
2004 - 11 - U - Ben Roethlisberger - 1 - S
2004 - 22 - S - J.P. Losman - 0 - F
2005 - 1 - U - Alex Smith - 0 - F
2005 - 24 - S - Aaron Rodgers - 0 - F
2005 - 25 - S - Jason Campbell - 0 - F
2006 - 3 - U - Vince Young - 1 - S
2006 - 10 - S - Matt Leinart - 0 - F
2006 - 11 - S - Jay Cutler - 1 - S
2007 - 1 - U - JaMarcus Russel - 0 - F
2008 - 3 - S - Matt Ryan - 0 - F
2008 - 18 - S - Joe Flacco - 0 - F

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5514790)

I trust Pioli enough not to make that terrible trade.

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5514790)

Although I would enjoy it to see the #3 traded down just to hear the wailing and crying the hot topic in new england is a rumor of the chiefs trading their 2nd round pick (35) and first in 2010 for Cassel which would make heads explode too. If the chiefs did that who would you then pick with the #3?
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That's asinine. If the Chiefs did that...there would be nobody at #3 worth taking. Nobody. That scenario WILL NOT happen.

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Originally Posted by Rigodan (Post 5514805)

I trust Pioli enough not to make that terrible trade.

Good lord I hope we can.

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5514559)

And I can have an opinion about it too so **** you.

Your qb only crowd constantly insults those whose opinion differs but when you get a push back you act like you are being told you can't have an opinion. Its not an outragous thing to say that I do trust Pioli. The guy has helped build a champion. What has been won here?
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I think I see the problem here.

We aren't here telling everyone we know better than Pioli.
We are not in his position and don't have the access to players and film and all the resourses he has to work with.

We are here to offer our opinions on what we hope he does based on the limited information we have.

The problem is that you are to ****ing stupid to understand this.

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5514976)

I don't think he understands much of anything to be honest with you.

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5513405)

I didn't SAY Pioli doesn't think they have #3 value. I said if he didn't think they did he will and he should pick someone else.

Read much?
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Yeah and if he doesn't think a LB has #3 value he wont draft them #3. If he doesn't think drafting a LT or DT in the first round back to back years is good value he wont. If he doesn't think Crabtree is worth a #3 pick he wont draft him. God damn your a ****ing idiot. You never state your opinion, you just shut everyone elses down by saying "If Pioli this, If Pioli that." Your just shooting out common sense shit that everyone already knows. If you don't have your own opinion and you don't talk to Pioli then just shut the **** up.