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RealSNR 02-08-2010 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6515260)
Look I'm sorry for anyone to say Manning sucked and then talk about Brees awesome game speaks to someone just reading a stat line and nothing else.

Drew Brees threw a bunch of 3 yard passes, there was nothing special there, the Saints did what they had to do to win the game but really it was not a special performance by any means unless the checkoff is your thing.
For me, though, Drew Brees IS an elite QB. If he's not the best in the league right now (I don't think he is. Manning still makes throws that he can't) then he's the 2nd best. It's not all about stats, sure, but if you have stats like Brees, you're obviously doing something right. Finally, this stat QB has a Super Bowl ring to his credit too, so people can stop chucking shit around and saying, "I'LL TAKE THE QB WHO WINS SUPER BOWL RINGS LAWL!!!"

Mecca 02-08-2010 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Mastashake (Post 6515264)
Brees won and played a nearly perfect game. What the fuck does the guy have to do to make you see that and appreciate it? Does he have to win two Super Bowls? Three, four? He's won as many as Manning has. Don't rack on him for having a different style of play, if it WORKS.

Manning didn't suck, he choked. There's a difference. Sucking takes a whole game. Choking is one BIG play.
He threw a bunch of dump off passes, he threw passes Matt Cassel can throw, that's fine that was probably the game plan, but lets not act like it was a magical performance that transcended time.

Mr. Flopnuts 02-08-2010 02:08 AM
Manning had one of the best passes in Super Bowl history tonight. He also had one of the worst.

Hootie 02-08-2010 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6515260)
Look I'm sorry for anyone to say Manning sucked and then talk about Brees awesome game speaks to someone just reading a stat line and nothing else.

Drew Brees threw a bunch of 3 yard passes, there was nothing special there, the Saints did what they had to do to win the game but really it was not a special performance by any means unless the checkoff is your thing.
not going to take anything away from Brees...he executed their gameplan precisely..

but yep, agreed 100% and that's what I meant earlier when I said...

BREES DIDN'T MAKE A SINGLE TOUGH PASS THAT ENTIRE GAME...

MANNING COMPLETED 3 OR 4 PASSES ON 3RD DOWN ALONE (AND ONE 4TH DOWN) THAT WERE JUST AMAZING PASSES.

Like...

OMG

That. Just. Happened.

Amazing.

Unrealistic expectations by people on this board.

The Colts are literally a 2 or 3 win team without Manning at QB...the fact he's THIS good amazes me...he would've had our Chiefs team in the playoffs. No doubt in my mind. Dwayne Bowe would be a perennial pro bowl receiver.

Mastashake 02-08-2010 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6515268)
He threw a bunch of dump off passes, he threw passes Matt Cassel can throw, that's fine that was probably the game plan, but lets not act like it was a magical performance that transcended time.
If you won its magical. I've seen QBs win super bowls with MUCH uglier games. He did a fucking superb job. A QB doesn't have to push the ball to win games. Do you forget how Montana managed the West Coast offense? I guess he wasn't good though since he didn't push the ball like Marino did.

Mecca 02-08-2010 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 6515267)
For me, though, Drew Brees IS an elite QB. If he's not the best in the league right now (I don't think he is. Manning still makes throws that he can't) then he's the 2nd best. It's not all about stats, sure, but if you have stats like Brees, you're obviously doing something right. Finally, this stat QB has a Super Bowl ring to his credit too, so people can stop chucking shit around and saying, "I'LL TAKE THE QB WHO WINS SUPER BOWL RINGS LAWL!!!"
That's fine I'm not saying Brees sucks or played a poor game, I'm seeing it was this outstanding performance, it was a solid safe performance, it wasn't special.

Mecca 02-08-2010 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Mastashake (Post 6515272)
If you won its magical. I've seen QBs win super bowls with MUCH uglier games. He did a fucking superb job. A QB doesn't have to push the ball to win games. Do you forget how Montana managed the West Coast offense? I guess he wasn't good though since he didn't push the ball like Marino did.
I don't think Montana is the best ever so you're making that argument to the wrong guy.

Mastashake 02-08-2010 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6515274)
I don't think Montana is the best ever so you're making that argument to the wrong guy.
Who is? You seem more interested in great plays and statistics than wins.

Games are not won on 40 yard passes for the most part. Game management is what wins games. Brees managed his game better than Manning. And he won.

L.A. Chieffan 02-08-2010 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6515263)
You know frankly at this point we shouldn't be making any kind of jokes seeing as our team can't even make a bowl.
word, i be pissed if i had the greatest qb of all time, who does things never before seen on the football field, destroys defenses by a mere glance, annihilates all before him...and then chokes it away.

-King- 02-08-2010 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 6515271)
not going to take anything away from Brees...he executed their gameplan precisely..

but yep, agreed 100% and that's what I meant earlier when I said...

BREES DIDN'T MAKE A SINGLE TOUGH PASS THAT ENTIRE GAME...

MANNING COMPLETED 3 OR 4 PASSES ON 3RD DOWN ALONE (AND ONE 4TH DOWN) THAT WERE JUST AMAZING PASSES.

Like...

OMG

That. Just. Happened.

Amazing.

Unrealistic expectations by people on this board.

The Colts are literally a 2 or 3 win team without Manning at QB...the fact he's THIS good amazes me...he would've had our Chiefs team in the playoffs. No doubt in my mind. Dwayne Bowe would be a perennial pro bowl receiver.
The only OMG pass I remember was the pass to Clark. My jaw dropped on that one. Other than that, what other passes were there?

salame 02-08-2010 02:11 AM
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Mecca 02-08-2010 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 6515276)
word, i be pissed if i had the greatest qb of all time, who does things never before seen on the football field, destroys defenses by a mere glance, annihilates all before him...and then chokes it away.
He won as many SB's as our franchise has.

L.A. Chieffan 02-08-2010 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Mastashake (Post 6515275)
Who is? You seem more interested in great plays and statistics than wins.

Games are not won on 40 yard passes for the most part. Game management is what wins games. Brees managed his game better than Manning. And he won.
sanchez

Hootie 02-08-2010 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6515269)
Manning had one of the best passes in Super Bowl history tonight. He also had one of the worst.
they were in hurry up mode playing against the clock...shit is going to happen...

football is a game of inches...the three plays that were needed to win a game that featured little defense all went to the Saints...

Plain and simple.

If I thought Manning was at fault for the loss, I'd peg it with him and eat my crow...I call them like I see it and in no way can I pin that loss to Peyton Manning.

I'm sorry...

Just can't do it. Only so many times in a season can one player continuously bail an entire team out...yesterday just wasn't meant to be.

L.A. Chieffan 02-08-2010 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6515279)
He won as many SB's as our franchise has.
but hes the greatest ever. shouldnt he have like a dozen by now?


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