Cassel has played for two years.
Niswanger has been in the league for four years and started for two.
Legget was part of the same draft as Dorsey and Albert.

Jackson and Dorsey converting to 34 ends are as close to Albert in terms of transitioning, but still haven't gone through the same number of changes that Albert has been through.




And that's why I put up those vids, so you can take a look at his foot speed. Looked pretty good, especially compared to other top tackles in this draft. But I'd hate to have you form your own opinion versus reading a mock draft site...

I'm glad you had/have such a high opinion of McIntosh. So, what you are saying is that he's got one more year to reach that potential of a first round, franchise left tackle? And then what? Say he performs to the exact same level in 2010 that he did in 2009 - what's your viewpoint of the position then? Do we go after the top tackle next year, which looks to be Barksdale? I mean, next years line class is going to be pretty damn weak. Are you hoping that we'll find some diamond in the rough this year? Next year? Would you be happy with the Chiefs soldiering on with mediocrity at the LT spot for the next decade?

Who is? He had better footwork than Davis, Bulaga, Iupati, Campbell and looked even better than Brown. I don't have zeroed in game evaluation tapes, but he looked substantially better than the other guys people are touting as top tackles.


You've got to be a major masochist.

Don't be dense, dumbshit.

Whether they actually started and played in games, they have been working at their respective positions since high school, for the most part, and to play that card is disingenuous, at best.

I've seen Okung, and formed my own opinion.

He doesn't have elite foot speed, and looks like a RT on the next level.

JFC.

The fact that we were in rebuilding mode means that we didn't need Albert to be all pro overnight, and has not a ****ing thing to do with my opinion of McIntosh.

If Albert doesn't improve, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.
But for now, I'm prepared to move forward with Albert.

You provided the link where it was suggested that others might be better prospects because of foot speed.

Go read your own damn links.

Perhaps.

Get ready for the dynamite Sac....

Pittsburgh
Indianapolis
New Orleans
New England

Ya know what all these successful teams have in common? Keep in mind that these are four of the most successful teams in the entire NFL.

Ill give ya a hint, it has to do with not having to spend first rounders on offensive linemen.

***7 superbowls in the 2000s combined in those 4 teams and only 1 offensive linemen drafted in the first round, combined, for all the four teams starting lineups (and that was Logan Mankins that was the last player drafted in the first round of his respective draft.)

BOOM goes said dynamite!

You aren't going to find much in common if you want to copy what they did. You have two teams that were primarily a 34 and two that were a 43. You have 2 1st round QBs, a free agent 2nd rounder and a late round pick. There isn't a single way to build a team.

IF you look back, this is my point as well. Okung is NOT enough (if at all, he never impressed me much) of an upgrade over Albert to warrant picking when we have far bigger issues to address.

My post was simply regarding the hatefest for Jake Long that exists on this board. Those same people were creaming over Dorsey , who I never liked and instead wanted us to trade down at damn near any cost. Herm actually wanted to as well but was overruled by Carl. btw I STILL hope I was wrong on Dorsey and he was just horribly miscoached by us so far.

What does that have to do with the massive point that I just made?

If you want to win the superbowl, you dont spend first rounders on the offensive line.

How far back does one have to go to find a superbowl winner that invested two first rounders on the offensive line?

Willie Roaf was the best to ever play the game. Orlando Pace and Jonathan Ogden were elite, but they weren't Roaf.

Roaf was good, but wasnt the best to ever play the game.

Top 5? Probably.

...but the point still holds... ELITE just means one of the top 5 in the game at that time... I think you are thinking I meant ELITE as in Hall of Fame all time elite... I did not.

I hold to my point that Long is on the cusp of (maybe even is there after only 2 seasons) being an elite LT, which is what he was drafted for.

2.5 sacks as a rookie then 4 sacks last year. 2 Pro Bowls (not that they mean as much)

how many times does it need to be said? its much easier to find an effective OL father down in the draft, or UDFA even, than it is to find effective playmakers. can this be disputed?

I don't have an agenda here, but the New Orleans receiving corp disputes it. Miles Austin disputes it.

I'm not sure what exactly "father down in the draft" means (not a joke on your typo.. okay.. maybe partly).. but you still can't wait until the 5th round. Well, we can't with such a need.

I'm NOT a fan of spending the first on a RT. Oops.. I mean LT.

But, we need to be spending some 2nds, 3rds, 4th on O-Line, and stop with this wait until the 5th, 6th round to pick up some scrub shit.

Take a guess:

how many first round draft picks at offensive line are on the last ten superbowl winners starting lineups?

then guess how many 3rd round draft picks to UDFAs were on those lineups.

ASTONISHING!

Take a guess:

how many first round draft picks are on the last ten superbowl winners?

then guess how many 3rd round draft picks to UDFAs were on those lineups.

It's amazing there are more in the later category than in the prior....

You'ld think the offense for the saints would be:

WR - 1st round
TE - 1st round
OT - 1st round
OG - 1st round
OC - 1st round
OG - 1st round
OT - undrafted
WR - 1st round
QB - 1st round
HB - 1st round
FB - two first round picks

3 of the top 5 Saints leading recievers WERE ALL DRAFTED IN THE FIRST ROUND

Not to mention the guy throwing the ****ing ball to those guys was the 1st pick in the 2nd round.



Backfire.