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OnTheWarpath15 07-29-2012 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8776320)
I still don't believe Vick has the necessary tools to lead his team to the SB.

I believe that he has paid the price for his mistakes off the field, and is working his ass off to further atone, so from that standpoint, I would have no issue with him as a Chief.


You better screw your head on straight.

SAUTO 07-29-2012 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8776317)
My issue with signing Vick at the time was that he had been out of football for nearly three years, IIRC.

Now that he's paid his price and gotten his life on track, who wouldn't want him?

Who wouldn't want Roethlisberger?

And again, who here rooted for Allen and Johnson?

You remember correctly. I argued that even if he had list a step he would be ok in that regards maybe even better.

He might not be so quick to run.
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Direckshun 07-29-2012 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8776312)
Why wouldn't I?

Dude made a mistake, has done his time, and turned his life around.

I'd root for Ben Roethlisberger as well.

Did you root for Jared Allen? Larry Johnson?

I know the answer is yes, which makes you a ****ing hypocrite.

Jared Allen is NOT any of those three guys. He made a shit mistake that's unfortunately too common that claims too many people. If I condemned everybody I knew engaged in that shit at some point I would have the world's longest shit list.

LJ and Big Ben were engaged in various forms of domestic violence, and Mike Vick... well let's not go there.

But you make a somewhat decent point -- did I not root for LJ when he burst through the Ravens defensive line for a 44 yard gain? Just like I do when I root for Matt Cassel when he nails Bowe on a slant?

Yes, yes I did.

But not all rooting is created equal.

Just like not all opposition to a particular player/team is equal.

There is a special satisfaction in me when we beat the Denver ****ing Broncos. And I'm also happy when we beat somebody like the Seahawks. But there is a very special sensation to seeing the Broncos go down.

But if that's the psychological rabbit hole we're going down, then we have to acknowledge that that feeling works both ways.

I'm happy when LJ rips off a big run, but it's a lot more satisfying when Dexter McCluster can pull it off because McCluster's a good ****ing person who has overcome a ton of limitations to pull that accomplishment off. There's an element of satisfaction to that that LJ can never match.

Your argument, from the start of this thread, has been that it doesn't matter one iota to you.

That's lowest common denominator bullshit, friend.

okcchief 07-29-2012 04:08 PM

I like great character as much as the next guy, but it means shit if you can't lead by example. Matt Cassel can't do that because he doesn't have the tools to be a starting NFL QB. All the stuff he says about team means shit because he's holding them back. If he cared about the team he would have retired. That would show me some ****ing character.

OnTheWarpath15 07-29-2012 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8776335)
Jared Allen is NOT any of those three guys. He made a shit mistake that's unfortunately too common that claims too many people. If I condemned everybody I knew engaged in that shit at some point I would have the world's longest shit list.

LJ and Big Ben were engaged in various forms of domestic violence, and Mike Vick... well let's not go there.

But you make a somewhat decent point -- did I not root for LJ when he burst through the Ravens defensive line for a 44 yard gain? Just like I do when I root for Matt Cassel when he nails Bowe on a slant?

Yes, yes I did.

But not all rooting is created equal.

Just like not all opposition to a particular player/team is equal.

There is a special satisfaction in me when we beat the Denver ****ing Broncos. And I'm also happy when we beat somebody like the Seahawks. But there is a very special sensation to seeing the Broncos go down.

But if that's the psychological rabbit hole we're going down, then we have to acknowledge that that feeling works both ways.

I'm happy when LJ rips off a big run, but it's a lot more satisfying when Dexter McCluster can pull it off because McCluster's a good ****ing person who has overcome a ton of limitations to pull that accomplishment off. There's an element of satisfaction to that that LJ can never match.

Your argument, from the start of this thread, has been that it doesn't matter one iota to you.

That's lowest common denominator bullshit, friend.

Allen had 4 alcohol related offenses, 2 with the Chiefs. That's not just a "mistake".

Listen, it's your right to root like a 7 year old. "Look Daddy, the nice guy I got an autograph from made a play!"

It's also my right to root for anyone and everyone that performs at a high level for this organization, regardless of what they do in their personal lives.

If you get a warm-and-fuzzy over a "good guy" contributing, good for you.

I get a warm-and-fuzzy watching all ballplayers make great plays.

Direckshun 07-29-2012 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8776365)
Allen had 4 alcohol related offenses, 2 with the Chiefs. That's not just a "mistake".

Listen, it's your right to root like a 7 year old. "Look Daddy, the nice guy I got an autograph from made a play!"

It's also my right to root for anyone and everyone that performs at a high level for this organization, regardless of what they do in their personal lives.

If you get a warm-and-fuzzy over a "good guy" contributing, good for you.

I get a warm-and-fuzzy watching all ballplayers make great plays.

I never denied it was your right. Christ, what am I, the Bane of sportsmanship?

That was never my point.

OnTheWarpath15 07-29-2012 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8776371)
I never denied it was your right. Christ, what am I, the Bane of sportsmanship?

That was never my point.

Ok, Mr Holier-than-thou.

Direckshun 07-29-2012 04:24 PM

My point is that you are deeming my appreciation of Matt Cassel for what he is as inappropriate.

As only something children do.

As unappreciative of what it takes to succeed in the NFL.

Direckshun 07-29-2012 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8776375)
Ok, Mr Holier-than-thou.

As if a drafturbator could ever level that charge.

OnTheWarpath15 07-29-2012 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8776376)
My point is that you are deeming my appreciation of Matt Cassel for what he is as inappropriate.

As only something children do.

As unappreciative of what it takes to succeed in the NFL.

Who has ever said he's not a good guy?

By all appearance, he is.

He's just a shitty QB.

And you're using the phrase "succeed in the NFL" pretty ****ing loosely here.

OnTheWarpath15 07-29-2012 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8776379)
As if a drafturbator could ever level that charge.

I just did, Superfan.

Please, excuse me. I'm getting ready for a fantasy draft, and I need to make sure I scratch all the guys with off-the-field issues off my list so I don't upset your sensitive vagine.

Hammock Parties 07-29-2012 04:30 PM

Direckshun ****ing hates Matt Cassel.

He just has problems coming to terms with it. He feels bad about it.

He needs a 7-step drop program.

As in, watching a quarterback who can execute one.

Direckshun 07-29-2012 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8776385)
Who has ever said he's not a good guy?

By all appearance, he is.

He's just a shitty QB.

And you're using the phrase "succeed in the NFL" pretty ****ing loosely here.

A shitty QB is Brody Croyle and Tyler Palko. Cassel is a good backup and a mediocre starter.

Direckshun 07-29-2012 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8776395)
Direckshun ****ing hates Matt Cassel.

He just has problems coming to terms with it. He feels bad about it.

He needs a 7-step drop program.

As in, watching a quarterback who can execute one.

I just hate how I've become this huge Cassel apologist because I personally like the guy and am not willing to call him the worst QB in the NFL.

Hammock Parties 07-29-2012 04:38 PM

When you start threads like this you deserve every ounce of shit you get.

And I know you don't like him when we get beat 31-3 and 17-10 at home.

All I ever think about when I think about Matt Cassel are those two games, and his games in 2010 at home against Buffalo and Baltimore.

4 home games, and he sucked huge chickens in each one.

That's who he is. And it makes me mad as hell. When you think of Matt, think of shit, and hate him.


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