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DaneMcCloud 07-28-2016 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12339813)
If they've already approached poe and it's gone no where, I'd say he's gonna want more than you're thinking.

Wanting and receiving are two completely different animals.

As I've said all offseason, unless he has an 8+ sacks, he'll get somewhere between $8-9 million.

That's not chump change and it's more than either Bailey or Howard are paid but there is virtually no one outside of KC that views Poe as elite.

Sassy Squatch 07-28-2016 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12339800)
The same thing was said about Jaye Howard, who signed an even worse deal than the best deal I was suggesting last summer.

Still astounds me we signed him for that.

rico 07-28-2016 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12339818)
I'd imagine Poe's rep is gonna say "he'd be an 8 sack guy if he didn't play the nose in a 34 and could play DT and rush the passer more".

I'm guessing he's your tag next year

You guessing Fisher gets an extension? If so, what do you think the numbers will be for him, in terms of how much we should probably expect to pay him?

O.city 07-28-2016 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rico (Post 12339824)
You guessing Fisher gets an extension? If so, what do you think the numbers will be for him, in terms of how much we should probably expect to pay him?

I can't imagine they won't extend fisher as they should. No clue on numbers.

O.city 07-28-2016 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12339820)
Wanting and receiving are two completely different animals.

As I've said all offseason, unless he has an 8+ sacks, he'll get somewhere between $8-9 million.

That's not chump change and it's more than either Bailey or Howard are paid but there is virtually no one outside of KC that views Poe as elite.

Probably looking at another tag situation.

DaneMcCloud 07-28-2016 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12339826)
I can't imagine they won't extend fisher as they should. No clue on numbers.

Lane Johnson's deal should be the starting point..

IMO, it should have happened already. The only reason I have to think that it hasn't happened is because the Chiefs shelled out dough for Kelce and expected to shell out dough for Berry.

The signing bonuses come out of the Clark's pockets.

DaneMcCloud 07-28-2016 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12339827)
Probably looking at another tag situation.

I would be surprised if that's the case.

The tag will be somewhere around $13 million, which is way too much for a guy that isn't getting 8+ sacks a year.

Plus, as tight as the 2017 cap appears to be, I doubt they can fit $13 million for an NT.

DaneMcCloud 07-28-2016 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 12339823)
Still astounds me we signed him for that.

It's just more proof that Chiefs fans overvalue their players.

Last summer, I suggested signing Howard to the same deal as Bailey, which was 4 years, $25 million. That was met with disdain.

Two years, $12 million is far less for Howard.

LoneWolf 07-28-2016 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12339841)
It's just more proof that Chiefs fans overvalue their players.

Last summer, I suggested signing Howard to the same deal as Bailey, which was 4 years, $25 million. That was met with disdain.

Two years, $12 million is far less for Howard.

$6.5 million per vs. $6 million per. Yep, that is far less. :rolleyes:

DaneMcCloud 07-28-2016 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 12339848)
$6.5 million per vs. $6 million per. Yep, that is far less. :rolleyes:

:facepalm:

4 years vs. two years. He'll be 29 years old when the deal ends as opposed to 31 years old.

Duh, Stud.

RunKC 07-28-2016 04:47 PM

Chris Jones was drafted for future need.

Poe-FA 2017
Howard-FA 2018
Bailey FA 2019

I think they want to have him replace Howard in 2018, but he could play NT if he bulks puts on 20-25 lbs (he has a very good tall frame for that).

It wouldn't surprise me at all if they go DL again in the first rd next year should Poe want insane $$ or has continued back problems.

OLB (if Ford doesn't show progress) or a S (Berry replacement) wouldn't surprise me either.

LoneWolf 07-28-2016 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12339853)
:facepalm:

4 years vs. two years. He'll be 29 years old when the deal ends as opposed to 31 years old.

Duh, Stud.

So what you meant was far less years, because in a salary cap league the only number that matters is the per year compensation and guaranteed money.

DaneMcCloud 07-28-2016 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 12339860)
So what you meant was far less years, because in a salary cap league the only number that matters is the per year compensation and guaranteed money.

Bailey received $15 million in guaranteed money, which is more money than Howard will receive in two years.

Meatloaf 07-28-2016 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12339859)
Chris Jones was drafted for future need.

Poe-FA 2017
Howard-FA 2018
Bailey FA 2019

I think they want to have him replace Howard in 2018, but he could play NT if he bulks puts on 20-25 lbs (he has a very good tall frame for that).

It wouldn't surprise me at all if they go DL again in the first rd next year should Poe want insane $$ or has continued back problems.

OLB (if Ford doesn't show progress) or a S (Berry replacement) wouldn't surprise me either.

Can't imagine that they'd draft a safety at #1 (not that it's what you said) as I honestly think Dorsey doesn't want to sink that much into the safety position. We seem to fill said position quite well with "lesser" guys. But then again, there's the old BPA thing, so it might work out that it'd be a safety. Then again, if they should sign Berry, I guess my theory goes out the window.....which sadly, wouldn't be a first.

O.city 07-28-2016 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12339838)
I would be surprised if that's the case.

The tag will be somewhere around $13 million, which is way too much for a guy that isn't getting 8+ sacks a year.

Plus, as tight as the 2017 cap appears to be, I doubt they can fit $13 million for an NT.

So you let him walk?


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