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RustShack 04-02-2017 01:42 PM
Ive been saying it all year, KC needs to get Mahomes.

Mr. Laz 04-02-2017 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12806316)
Stop confusing safe for smart.
Stop confusing Football instincts with Intelligence level

From everything I've heard, Alex Smith is very intelligent. That he can learn an offense just about as fast as a coach can explain it. That he understands the game and the processes.

The stuff like field vision and throwing accuracy is not something anyone can teach anyway.

Alex Smith will be a great example of how to be a Pro Football player. He will teach where he can and help the kid learn the offense and how to handle the pros. He won't be hostile and tell a rookie QB to "**** off" or try to prevent a new QB from developing to keep his job.

Whether the young QB has natural football instincts and on-the-field talents are completely up to him.

Stuff like footwork and mechanics will be handled by the position coach.

The Franchise 04-02-2017 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 12806385)
From Great Blue North...

The ‘most interesting man in the draft’ … He’s not even a consensus first-round prospect for the upcoming draft, but Texas Tech QB Patrick Mahomes may be the most popular guy in the class. Mahomes had what is being described as a very impressive pro day today in Lubbock where he showed what is considered to be the strongest arm in this year’s draft. However, what makes Mahomes such a popular guy is the number of team’s that want him to either work out privately or visit. Mahomes has already reportedly worked out with as many as a half dozen teams, including Cleveland, Chicago, Cincinnati, Arizona, New Orleans and San Diego, while he reportedly has workouts or visits planned with as many as a dozen more. One other team that appears to be very interested in Mahomes are the Giants. How interested? Giants’ head coach Ben McAdoo, who has never attended a pro day in the three-year tenure with the team, but took the time to travel half way across the country to check out Mahomes as a potential successor to Eli Manning. Only problem for the Giants is that it is starting to look like Mahomes may off the board long before they get on the clock with the 23rd pick.
ESPN's Jordan Raanan doesn't expect the Giants to address quarterback early in the draft.

The Giants have talked about drafting a successor to Eli Manning but it's unlikely Mitchell Trubisky or Deshaun Watson would fall to them with the 23rd pick. Coach Ben McAdoo was present for Pat Mahomes' Pro Day as well, but he wouldn't be an option until at least the second round. Raanan does expect the Giants to add a quarterback in the draft, though it will probably happen on Day 2. Josh Dobbs, Jerod Evans and Nathan Peterman could be available in that range.

milkman 04-02-2017 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12806608)
Stop confusing Football instincts with Intelligence level

From everything I've heard, Alex Smith is very intelligent. That he can learn an offense just about as fast as a coach can explain it. That he understands the game and the processes.

The stuff like field vision and throwing accuracy is not something anyone can teach anyway.

Alex Smith will be a great example of how to be a Pro Football player. He will teach where he can and help the kid learn the offense and how to handle the pros. He won't be hostile and tell a rookie QB to "**** off" or try to prevent a new QB from developing to keep his job.

Whether the young QB has natural football instincts and on-the-field talents are completely up to him.

Stuff like footwork and mechanics will be handled by the position coach.
There is a difference between the designed short passing game that you bitch about from Reid, and the checkdowns by Smith.

He isn't making smart decisions when the game is being played.

He makes the safe decisions.

The fact that he's a hard worker and is a quick study doesn't change the fact that he doesn't play smart.

He plays scared.

Coogs 04-02-2017 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12806611)
ESPN's Jordan Raanan doesn't expect the Giants to address quarterback early in the draft.

The Giants have talked about drafting a successor to Eli Manning but it's unlikely Mitchell Trubisky or Deshaun Watson would fall to them with the 23rd pick. Coach Ben McAdoo was present for Pat Mahomes' Pro Day as well, but he wouldn't be an option until at least the second round. Raanan does expect the Giants to add a quarterback in the draft, though it will probably happen on Day 2. Josh Dobbs, Jerod Evans and Nathan Peterman could be available in that range.
I have no idea what the G-men are thinking. It's the last sentence that is important here. If the G-men want him, it is starting to look like he will be long gone before they pick at 23. That means if we want Mahomes we are going to have to move up as well.

Mother****erJones 04-02-2017 03:21 PM
I really think KC will have to move up to get a QB. Teams that want one know KC is in the market. Teams always do it to KC. KC has the ammo to. I really hope they do it.

RippedmyFlesh 04-02-2017 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 12806624)
I have no idea what the G-men are thinking. It's the last sentence that is important here. If the G-men want him, it is starting to look like he will be long gone before they pick at 23. That means if we want Mahomes we are going to have to move up as well.
Exactly no way Mahomes makes it to 27. The "experts" who say he is a 2nd rounder are full of crap.

Chief Northman 04-02-2017 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 12806642)
I really think KC will have to move up to get a QB. Teams that want one know KC is in the market. Teams always do it to KC. KC has the ammo to. I really hope they do it.
Buffalo only has 6 picks this year and Indy has 7.

Dorsey and Reid should make proposals with Ballard for their first round pick. Ballard would arguably like to have more picks in his maiden voyage to the draft. He is on record as stating the Colts need to become younger and faster.

Maybe Andy can sweet talk his good buddy Sean McDermott in Buffalo to acquire more pics as well by making an offer for that number 10 pick and get ahead of Cleveland and arguably have what I would think would be a swing at the quarterback they would want or at least the second guy on their board at QB if they go that route.

Urc Burry 04-02-2017 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 12806661)
Buffalo only has 6 picks this year and Indy has 7.

Dorsey and Reid should make proposals with Ballard for their first round pick. Ballard would arguably like to have more picks in his maiden voyage to the draft. He is on record as stating the Colts need to become younger and faster.

Maybe Andy can sweet talk his good buddy Sean McDermott in Buffalo to acquire more pics as well by making an offer for that number 10 pick and get ahead of Cleveland and arguably have what I would think would be a swing at the quarterback they would want or at least the second guy on their board at QB if they go that route.
Meh. I like some of these qbs a lot. But none are worth moving up the the 10 spot. You're talking about giving up a first next year for that type of move. Late teens would be max on how high we'd move up

Mr. Laz 04-02-2017 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12806618)
There is a difference between the designed short passing game that you bitch about from Reid, and the checkdowns by Smith.

He isn't making smart decisions when the game is being played.

He makes the safe decisions.

The fact that he's a hard worker and is a quick study doesn't change the fact that he doesn't play smart.

He plays scared.
I swear you are like a pitbull who will never let go of a bone. You can't let go of your anger long enough to think rationally about an issue.

Alex Smith won't be teaching playing scared or not scared, he will be teaching the offense, film study etc. He will be showing leadership, work ethic and how to interact with the coaches and teammates.

If we draft someone, that draftee will already be aggressive or conservative. That is about the personality of the person, not something that they will learn from Alex Smith.

A coach can sometimes beat the aggressiveness out of a QB like the 49ers coaches did to Smith, but that isn't being taught from a fellow QB. If you want to worry about a young QB learning to play too conservatively, then you should worry about Andy Reid, not Alex Smith.

Look at Tyler Bray, he went into games ignoring progression and flinging it deep. He basically got benched by Reid for it. Unless you think it was Alex Smith that dropped Bray down to 3rd string and signed Foles. :shake:

Mother****erJones 04-02-2017 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 12806661)
Buffalo only has 6 picks this year and Indy has 7.

Dorsey and Reid should make proposals with Ballard for their first round pick. Ballard would arguably like to have more picks in his maiden voyage to the draft. He is on record as stating the Colts need to become younger and faster.

Maybe Andy can sweet talk his good buddy Sean McDermott in Buffalo to acquire more pics as well by making an offer for that number 10 pick and get ahead of Cleveland and arguably have what I would think would be a swing at the quarterback they would want or at least the second guy on their board at QB if they go that route.
They could be a target. He's going to have to leap frog someone.

Chief Northman 04-02-2017 05:26 PM
Posted this in the Draft forum. A contrarian take on Mahomes. Don't shoot the messenger.

http://presnapreads.com/2017/04/02/p...ure-of-upside/

Chief Roundup 04-02-2017 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 12806751)
Posted this in the Draft forum. A contrarian take on Mahomes. Don't shoot the messenger.

http://presnapreads.com/2017/04/02/p...ure-of-upside/
That article is pretty blunt. Watching the videos it seems like a fairly accurate take on Mahomes though.

MahiMike 04-02-2017 06:27 PM
Consensus pick is Watson at 27.

Nickhead 04-02-2017 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 12806810)
Consensus pick is Watson at 27.
i still think that's a reach. but if i had to choose between watson and trubisky, i'd pick mitch myself. :D


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