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DaneMcCloud 08-30-2017 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13046373)
Man, with that amount of vitriol you woulda thought it was Veach that used a first on him to begin with.
Calling Reggie Ragland a "scrub" is unbelievably stupid.

The guy was Top 4 in terms of talent in the 2016 draft, right along side Jaylon Smith, Myles Jack and Darron Lee.

Unfortunately, Smith was injured in his bowl game and Ragland tore his ACL on August 5th, 2016.

Ragland has enormous upside.

Titty Meat 08-30-2017 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 13046334)
We need to plug Erving in right away and let Alex Smith get hurt. Would be worth every penny if that happened.

You're crazy if you think Mahomes is ready

DJ's left nut 08-30-2017 04:17 PM
Now now, let's not go crazy.

Ragland was alongside Lee (depending on scheme fit) but he was not alongside Smith or Jack. Those two guys were considered potential top 10, even top 5 picks before their injuries.

I liked Ragland at the back of the 1st, but he was definitely not considered to be on the same tier as those two guys. Smith and Jack were absolute horses as prospects before injuries knocked them both down.

aturnis 08-30-2017 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 13045690)
The jury is still out on him. He's played for two years with the worst coaching in the NFL. A 5th is a steal for what could still be a really good player. There was a reason he was that high of a pick, and that reason hasn't been disproven yet.

He could absolutely suck. But a 5th is a cheap, cheap, cheap price to pay for a guy who could still turn into a starter and good player - at a position of DIRE need for us, as well.
Agree. Absolutely doesn't matter. We're going to get comp picks to make up four these future low round picks. These guys are basically free.

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DJ's left nut 08-30-2017 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 13046395)
Agree. Absolutely doesn't matter. We're going to get comp picks to make up four these future low round picks. These guys are basically free.

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For whom?

Not sure where the comp picks are gonna come from. I don't see many pending FAs that are going to draw significant FA interest on this squad. We have our core locked up for a couple of years and the aging guys aren't gonna get comp kinda contracts.

Titty Meat 08-30-2017 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13046394)
Now now, let's not go crazy.

Ragland was alongside Lee (depending on scheme fit) but he was not alongside Smith or Jack. Those two guys were considered potential top 10, even top 5 picks before their injuries.

I liked Ragland at the back of the 1st, but he was definitely not considered to be on the same tier as those two guys. Smith and Jack were absolute horses as prospects before injuries knocked them both down.
Plus the whole Saban wearing guys down in college is true. Ragland may never live up to his potential but it's still better than Justin March and DJ Alexander

DaneMcCloud 08-30-2017 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13046394)
Now now, let's not go crazy.

Ragland was alongside Lee (depending on scheme fit) but he was not alongside Smith or Jack. Those two guys were considered potential top 10, even top 5 picks before their injuries.

I liked Ragland at the back of the 1st, but he was definitely not considered to be on the same tier as those two guys. Smith and Jack were absolute horses as prospects before injuries knocked them both down.
But he was definitely a Top 4 in the 2016 draft and before finding the enlarged aorta, which will in no way affect his football career, considered a late first rounder.

He wasn't a "scrub". He's not Reuben Foster but he's hardly a "scrub".

I hope for their sakes that Smith and Jack can reach their potential.

DaneMcCloud 08-30-2017 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Scooter Libby (Post 13046398)
Plus the whole Saban wearing guys down in college is true. Ragland may never live up to his potential but it's still better than Justin March and DJ Alexander
Again, McClain, Hightower and Mosely have all done pretty well (although as mentioned earlier, McClain is mental).

If the Chiefs can get Hightower or Mosely out of a 2019 4th round pick for in 2018 & 2019, I'll be thrilled.

BlackOp 08-30-2017 04:25 PM
This better have been a conditional 5th...he's been terrible so far. Cleveland has had decent results from their o-line...so it's hard to blame the coaching.

I guess it also speaks to how bad KC's back-up OL has been in preseason/camp.

Tyreek Hill was a 5th rounder....

Ragland I understand...he was hurt, never played, then had a scheme change. Erving has been a big-time bust

staylor26 08-30-2017 04:26 PM
People worrying too much about Bama prospects is what caused Landon Collins to slip past some teams.

I don't think Bama prospects have been quite as bad as some think. It's mainly the corners that worry me.

aturnis 08-30-2017 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13046293)
I think Parker and Bailey are the guys we should keep around for a couple more years.

I'm already considering Hali/DJ/Alex gone next year.
This. I think Parker is one of the most underrated safeties in the league. Who the **** worries about what Parker is doing? Not me. He's rarely a problem.

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Sandy Vagina 08-30-2017 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 13045634)
19th overall pick in 2015.
Yep. Lots to work with. I like this move. Goodbye, Jah Reid. :)

Halfcan 08-30-2017 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13046373)
Man, with that amount of vitriol you woulda thought it was Veach that used a first on him to begin with.

I don't think you can find his raw physical talent on the FA wire. Not at that age anyway.

He used a 5th to try to get some upside baked into a backup. There are a hell of a lot worse uses of a 5th round pick than that. If he goes into the market after cuts, you know who he's gonna find? Jah Reid and his ilk. He's gonna find aging guys that are past their primes and can't necessarily be coached up as much as they can be managed/limped along through their twilights. And sure, the floor on those guys is probably higher than on Erving.

But for a backup OL, I see a fair amount of utility in gambling on upside.
The fact that he was not even good enough as a backup for the Browns says it all. Do you not think they "coached him up" and tried everything they could to get a return on their 1st round investment?

If we can cut Jah Reid now- I guess it was worth it, but it looks like we gave up a 5th for Jah's twin though. This guy is soft as a pillow.

penbrook 08-30-2017 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 13046406)
This better have been a conditional 5th...he's been terrible so far. Cleveland has had decent results from their o-line...so it's hard to blame the coaching.

I guess it also speaks to how bad KC's back-up OL has been in preseason/camp.

Tyreek Hill was a 5th rounder....

Ragland I understand...he was hurt, never played, then had a scheme change. Erving has been a big-time bust
It is in fact a conditional 5th

penbrook 08-30-2017 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 13046409)
This. I think Parker is one of the most underrated safeties in the league. Who the **** worries about what Parker is doing? Not me. He's rarely a problem.

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Parker is a top 5 FS. Coming to the Chiefs his problem is he couldn't tackle. I'm glad those issues have been fixed. Gaines on the other hand his problems are unfixable


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