I'm sure people are getting tired of my posting about these things, but your "she's a liar" tirade across threads is reallllllly getting stale. I haven't responded to it up until this point only because it's just too ridiculous and it's clear that you are aggressively projecting your own issues onto the situation.

But you don't need to believe me - I told a lie when I was 13 and everything I have said since should be completely discounted according to your thermometer of justice.

Damn, this is tough to see. I hope Hill receives the help he needs. This is bigger than football. Parenting is so darn important and it is a dying art.

31 teams just got a hard-on... Knowing Clark, somebody's going to get the fastest NFL WR for a song...

Browns are waiting in anticipation of his release.

Dorsey is building a monster in Cleveland.

Okay you keep clinging to hope that Hill, a man who choked his pregnant girlfriend is innocent. It's all just a vast conspiracy to take down an innocent man.

This is going to play out exactly like the Hunt thing. Fans are going to defend him or rationalize it, even more damning evidence will come out and he'll be gone.

Brother, she's making stuff up. There's no way Tyreek punched his 3 year old son in the manner she suggests on that recording.

He would've KILLED the kid.

There's so much that doesn't add up in her story, that I'm inclined to disbelieve her, because she admittedly lied in the family court proceedings. About what?

I don't know.

I'm just not ready to judge, condemn, and throw the guy away just because of what she says on that recording.

My ex-wife tried some similar shit a few years ago, and I've since been exonerated, she apologized, and she's now a good friend whom I work with for the sake of my daughter.

Hell, I wouldn't have the relationship with my daughter today WITHOUT my ex-wife's help in facilitating it.

But in 2015, she was recording phone conversations, making stuff up, wild accusations that didn't happen FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE RECORDING, which pissed me off and I said some shit I shouldn't have said out of anger.

So...I'm just saying, I know how these things work, ya feel me?

I respect you and your opinion, I'm just saying...I don't think he did what she accuses him of in the recording, and that's it's entirely possible that she's making a good portion of it up for recording, knowing that he's a hothead, and she knows how to push his buttons hard.

That needs to be considered.

That's all.

They didn't get it wrong. It's fans hoping against hope that one of their best players isn't a monster despite all of the evidence to the contrary.

That audio is such bullshit. **** THAT BITCH. yeah I said it!

At this point I'm happy they didn't just cut him.

That could all be true... unfortunately, he's unable to leave her - something he should have done years ago, but hasn't ... likely beacause of the kid. Feel bad for the kid, really bad that this is his world.

Regarding punching the kid in the chest... I've read your argument a few times, made by several and it assumes that the only way he would punch someone is with all his might.

abuse?

Most likely.

Did he punch his son in the chest the way she insinuates on the recording?

Not without breaking the kid's sternum and causing major injury.

She was performing for the recording. Baiting him to "prove" what a hothead he is...

You can never trust recordings like that.

I've got a great deal on a bridge.

Disagree.

There have always been bad people and parents. You just hear about it more today.

Me too. Let him stay on suspended status until the NFL makes a decision. Cannot make the same mistake as with Hunt again.

Ok, well, when I was 3/4 years old, I had a pair of 6 Oz boxing gloves that I would put on, and my dad had his 12s, and we used to sparr, and I got knocked around a little bit.

That's how I learned how to fight.

They probably call that "child abuse" in 2019, too. IDK, it's a slippery slope...but no one has ever kicked my ass but my dad, so...

As for Tyreek and Crystal, their relationship is beyond toxic, and there's no way he should stay with her, no matter what happens.

Of course, you can't tell people to stay away from each other without a restraining order.