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Pasta Little Brioni 02-20-2023 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler (Post 16819934)
If he didn't want to be paid like he was Trent Williams, then he would for sure be re signed.

He thinks he's the second coming of Orlando Pace, Willie Roaf, etc...which is really sad because the reality is he's just the guy that Arden Key blew past while he was busy giving his very best impression of a fencepost, allowing a dirty hit on Mahomes' ankle that put the entire post season run in jeopardy.

If he wants to be foolish and try to use the Superbowl performance as leverage, it will go nowhere.

The top two sack teams in football both had their pass rush virtually eliminated by that terrible playing surface.

You're not that guy OBJ. You're the guy that got Patrick hurt. Put that on your ****ing t shirt.

You mean the play where Pat held the ball 6 seconds and got hurt? jfc clueless bullshit

Megatron96 02-20-2023 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16820029)
Not really. There is a reason Mahomes was one of if not the most agile QBs in his draft. There is a reason wny he takes so little sacks despite being pressured often. This leads one to conclude that LT is less important for Mahomes than anyone else. Its not not important just not as important as it would be for like a Tom Brady or Joe Burrow

ROFL
Yes, and we have proof of how well that works. SB LV. Worked incredibly well there.

Chief Roundup 02-20-2023 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mkp785 (Post 16819852)
https://i.imgur.com/inQ9R2T.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/V0CsJI8.jpg

Either of those guys could work well and both are way cheaper and younger. Either should be available with a trade up. The combine is in 2 weeks and should show us a lot.

You never know but 2 of the top 3 tackles falling outside the top 10 to 15 is not likely.

BWillie 02-20-2023 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16820035)
ROFL
Yes, and we have proof of how well that works. SB LV. Worked incredibly well there.

Extreme situation where the entire line was out

RunKC 02-20-2023 06:34 PM

All 3 losses this year were bc of poor tackle play. The Super Bowl against TB was proof of that.

Mahomes may not need elite tackle play but he needs good tackle play like any QB

Megatron96 02-20-2023 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16820039)
Extreme situation where the entire line was out

What? Pat's very agile. We don't need him to have time to survey the field, right? Just let him run around avoiding the rush until he finds someone to throw to while running for his life.

Hell, we don't need a LT at all, right? Just trot out 4 OLs. Pat will figure it out.

smithandrew051 02-20-2023 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16820029)
Not really. There is a reason Mahomes was one of if not the most agile QBs in his draft. There is a reason wny he takes so little sacks despite being pressured often. This leads one to conclude that LT is less important for Mahomes than anyone else. Its not not important just not as important as it would be for like a Tom Brady or Joe Burrow

I’m going to push back on this point.

We were middle of the pack in pressure percentage, despite having the highest average pocket time in the league.

Most of the teams with the lowest pressure percentages had the lowest average pocket times.

So really, Mahomes’s pressure percentage was actually pretty good despite either 1) how long it took our receivers to get open or 2) the plays we ran and how often we try to push the ball down the field.

raybec 4 02-20-2023 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16820024)
Yeah. There isn't a QB in the league that is right handed that needs a great LT less than Patrick Mahomes. Its important, just not real important. Id like to have a Top 25 guy but if its a Top 50 guy not a big deal if it means we can Allocate funds elsewhere. Its about using money to improve the team the most and in the most efficient way possible. Paying OBJ is a very inefficient allocation of resources and he doesn't really fit what we want to do. There are Top 50 LTs im sure that would fit our scheme much better so perhaps to the league they are top 50 but to us top 25.

What a terrible effort on your part. You used to have damn near elite trolling skills and tried to make every inane, ridiculous thing you said sound like it had a nugget of logic to it. I can't believe how far you've fallen. Now you just say dumb shit to say dumb shit. Oh how the mighty have fallen, what a letdown.

Chris Meck 02-20-2023 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16820050)
I’m going to push back on this point.

We were middle of the pack in pressure percentage, despite having the highest average pocket time in the league.

Most of the teams with the lowest pressure percentages had the lowest average pocket times.

So really, Mahomes’s pressure percentage was actually pretty good despite either 1) how long it took our receivers to get open or 2) the plays we ran and how often we try to push the ball down the field.

I think the pressure statistic is based on 2.5 seconds, so I don't think the fact that Patrick holds the ball so long sometimes is counting in that.

That said, I think our OT play could be a lot BETTER, but at any rate, it should not be the same or worse and yet be more EXPENSIVE.

The big thing is not to overpay for less than elite play at LT.

BWillie 02-20-2023 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 16820051)
What a terrible effort on your part. You used to have damn near elite trolling skills and tried to make every inane, ridiculous thing you said sound like it had a nugget of logic to it. I can't believe how far you've fallen. Now you just say dumb shit to say dumb shit. Oh how the mighty have fallen, what a letdown.

So ur saying i used to be nick wright or DA but now im skip bayless?

That might be the meanest thing anyone has ever said to me

Chris Meck 02-20-2023 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16819811)
Brown didn't even have an agent at this time last year and didn't get one until the process was almost over. For all we know, he's spent the last year telling Brown that his demands were unreasonable.

Well, and see here's where my own temper comes into play, because that whole thing pissed me right the **** off.

Brown pulled that shit because he thought he could force The Chiefs' hand, and I think that's really shitty. It's not operating in good faith, and I don't believe there's any other reasonable explanation for that action. And then his whole 'yeah, this isn't the season you want to go into with a back-up left tackle' comment.

Business, yeah, whatever, but operate in good faith.

If I was Veach (and we're all glad I'm not!) I would be looking to get rid of him just for that.

But at a reasonable, fair market value deal, he's fine. He's a middle of the road starting LT. If he's insisting on record setting money and all of it guaranteed, I'm tagging and trading.

DRM08 02-20-2023 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16820068)
Well, and see here's where my own temper comes into play, because that whole thing pissed me right the **** off.

Brown pulled that shit because he thought he could force The Chiefs' hand, and I think that's really shitty. It's not operating in good faith, and I don't believe there's any other reasonable explanation for that action. And then his whole 'yeah, this isn't the season you want to go into with a back-up left tackle' comment.

Business, yeah, whatever, but operate in good faith.

If I was Veach (and we're all glad I'm not!) I would be looking to get rid of him just for that.

But at a reasonable, fair market value deal, he's fine. He's a middle of the road starting LT. If he's insisting on record setting money and all of it guaranteed, I'm tagging and trading.

What's weird is Orlando seems like a good guy who fits in very well with his teammates. He said the other day, "With Mahomes at QB, anything is possible." I don't understand someone making this statement and then playing super hardball on the contract.

If Orlando goes to another team with a shitty QB, it will make Orlando look worse since Patrick is a damn magician at avoiding pass rushers and getting rid of the ball. He'll have less success winning games too.

mkp785 02-20-2023 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 16820076)
What's weird is Orlando seems like a good guy who fits in very well with his teammates. He said the other day, "With Mahomes at QB, anything is possible." I don't understand someone making this statement and then playing super hardball on the contract.

If Orlando goes to another team with a shitty QB, it will make Orlando look worse since Patrick is a damn magician at avoiding pass rushers and getting rid of the ball. He'll have less success winning games too.

He can nice and true things about Mahomes and still not want to lose millions giving us a home town discount. I mean just cause you like your teammates doesn't mean you don't wanna make the most out of your career.

How much is it worth to you for that? How many millions would you give up?

I don't blame the guy for getting as much as he can. Especially since he now has a ring.

Chris Meck 02-20-2023 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 16820076)
What's weird is Orlando seems like a good guy who fits in very well with his teammates. He said the other day, "With Mahomes at QB, anything is possible." I don't understand someone making this statement and then playing super hardball on the contract.

If Orlando goes to another team with a shitty QB, it will make Orlando look worse since Patrick is a damn magician at avoiding pass rushers and getting rid of the ball. He'll have less success winning games too.

I've always thought Brown was a weird fit in terms of skillset. He'd fit great on a team that wants to run the ball.

He's not a great pass blocker, especially against speed rushers.

But that's neither here nor there-the big thing to me is that we should not overpay for middling performance.

RunKC 02-20-2023 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16820059)
The big thing is not to overpay for less than elite play at LT.

Like QB, there are really only like 4 elite LT’s in the league. The rest are either really good or good.

And this is a reminder that over the last handful of drafts, Christian Darrisaw was the only really good LT taken in the 2nd half of the first rd, and that guy had questions as a prospect.

We did this the year we traded for Orlando. Tons of LT’s were coming out. We thought one could be drafted in the late first rd. None of them were worth it.

Orlando is not elite but he is good. That has immense value in this league. And good luck finding good starting LT’s in the late first rd. History shows they are rarely available.


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