Carolina Panthers 2017 CP Mock:

8. Carolina - CleveSteve - Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU
40. Carolina - CleveSteve - Tre'Davious White, CB/S, LS
64. Carolina (from New England) - CleveSteve - Roderick Johnson, OT, Florida State
98. Carolina - CleveSteve - Daeshon Hall, DE, Texas A&M
115. Carolina - CleveSteve - Rayshawn Jenkins, S, Miami
152. Carolina - CleveSteve - Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina
192. Carolina - CleveSteve - Jordan Evans, LB, Oklahoma
233. Carolina (from Indianapolis through Cleveland) - CleveSteve - Ishmael Zamora, WR, Baylor

I'm in.

It seems like a better way to do it would be to count how many total draft points you got in the draft on the famous Jimmy Johnson trade value chart, compared to how many draft points you had in picks. That way, getting a steal on a 1st round pick would be worth more points than getting a steal on a 7th round pick.

Edit: As I think about it, though, maybe that's not better. You would basically win or lose depending on the where the first-rounders go.

Tamp Bay 2017 CP Mock Draft Class

19. Tampa Bay - CleveSteve - Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama
50. Tampa Bay - CleveSteve - Evan Engram, TE, Ole Miss
84. Tampa Bay - CleveSteve - Vincent Taylor, DT, Oklahoma State
125. Tampa Bay - CleveSteve - John Johnson, S, Boston College
162. Tampa Bay - CleveSteve - Amba Etta-Tawo, WR, Syracuse
204. Tampa Bay - CleveSteve - Elijah McGuire, RB, Louisiana - Lafayette
237. Tampa Bay - CleveSteve - Vince Biegel, LB, Wisconsin

I really like this draft for Carolina. Lot of good fits here.

Thanks Ash. Definitely liking my Panthers draft more than my Buccs. Could have killed Tampa Bay's draft had I just taken Marcus Williams in the third. Still don't know what I was thinking there, as much as I like Taylor.

Broncos 2017 Mock:

1.20) Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin
2.51) Sidney Jones, CB - Washington
3.82) Jaleel Johnson, NT - Iowa
3.101) Derek Rivers, DE/OLB - Youngstown State
4.126) Alex Anzalone, LB - Florida
5.177) Chad Wheeler, OT - USC
6.203) Jamaal Williams, RB - BYU
7.238) Darrell Daniels, TE - Washington
7.252) Zach Pascal, WR - ODU
7.253) Jayon Brown, LB - UCLA

This draft is utter shite. Stupid decisions abound:

1 - Not taking David Njoku with my 1st rounder. That would've just been a HR pick there.

2 - Sidney Jones - should've gone Jarrad Davis or Joe Mixon; too early for an injured CB in a draft this deep at the position. Just hadn't realized how deep CB was yet.

3 - Alex Anzalone - reach for need in the 4th with his shoulder issues; should've gone with Kittle here or Julie'n Davenport. With Njoku in the fold instead of Ramzcyk, Davenport is the likely pick here.

4 - Wheeler instead of Gibson.

Things I did well for Denver - just the 3rd round. Johnson and Rivers are larceny in the 3rd. It won't be enough to make up for the rest of that draft being nothing but wheel spinning and need picks, but I'm extremely happy with those 2 picks anyway.

So what my draft SHOULD have been:

1 - Njoku
2 - J. Davis
3 - Johnson
3 - Rivers
4 - Davenport
5 - Gibson
6 - Sharpe (need the OL depth without Ramczyk and Wheeler)
7 - Pumphrey (3rd down back without Williams)
7 - Pascal
7 - Brown

And that's not even a 'knowing what I know' draft; those are guys that I knew I liked in real time and wouldn't get another shot at. I didn't stretch it at all. Just really let need dictate way too much in the 1st and didn't give enough credence to Jones injury and the Broncos currently strong defensive backfield. Just a pretty poor job by me here. I dicked up my first two picks and it set the tone for bad picks in the 4th and 5th as well. Just snowballed on me, really.

Great job everyone. Another successful CP mock.

6. New York Jets - Malik Hooker, S, Ohio State
39. New York Jets - Alvin Kamara, RB, Tennessee
70. New York Jets - Nate Peterman, QB, Pittsburgh
107. New York Jets - Jake Butt, TE, Michigan
150. New York Jets - Isaac Rochell, DL, Notre Dame
191. New York Jets - Grover Stewart, NT, Albany State
224. New York Jets - De'Von Smith, RB, Michigan


29. Green Bay - BigMeatballBillay - TJ Watt, DE/OLB, Wisconsin
61. Green Bay - BigMeatballBillay - Quincy Wilson, CB, Florida
93. Green Bay - BigMeatballBillay - Kareem Hunt, RB, Toled
134. Green Bay - BigMeatballBillay - Malachi Dupre, WR, LSU
172. Green Bay - BigMeatballBillay - Samson Ebukam,OLB, Eastern Washington
182. Green Bay - BigMeatballBillay - David Jones, S, Richmond
212. Green Bay - BigMeatballBillay - Jadar Johnson, S, Clemson
247. Green Bay - BigMeatballBillay - Cethan Carter, TE, Nebraska

Love my Jets draft though I should have went CB round 3 instead of Peterman but I still think he can stabilize their QB position. Hate my Packers middle round picks but got them 3 starters and a couple lottery tickets with the later round picks.

Where they are actually drafted shouldn't really matter it should be what they do and their impact the next year.


Maybe the guy isn't well known but performs at the highest level

I've always done both, for example one of my best picks was Ethan Westbrooks DT of the rams, he is just a backup but he has stuck in the league and put together a decent 2016 season. He was one of my late round flyer type picks.

My best ever was Olivier Vernon in the 7th round several years back; looks like I grabbed him for the Lions late. Interestingly, he wasn't my biggest 'pick gainer' that year; that was Josh LeRibeus who I took 10 picks later in the 7th but who went the pick right before Vernon.

I had a shot at a record-breaking draft that year but Chase Minnifield, who I took in the 2nd, went !@#$ing undrafted and murdered me. My Lions draft ended up 'negative' in overall points that year but I got 4 really good players for them and a couple other decent ones:

Olivier Vernon - DE
Trumaine Johnson - CB
Nigel Bradham - LB
Mike Adams - OT
Josh LeRibeus - C

2 franchise caliber players at DE and CB, another damn good starting ILB, a starting RT and a starting C. But my draft 'score' was pretty poor.

Yeah, I've always tracked both but you can do those at different times of year so it's kinda interesting to keep an eye on.

That's a damn good pick, Wow! My worst was probably that corner from Oregon. Efe something

I picked telvin Smith in the 4th round of the 2014 draft

I just went back and found the post - I went +305 in the 7th round alone. I doubt anyone ever touches that particular record. I thought I had a shot with my draft last year when I grabbed Davis and Toner in the 7th and they both went in the 5th; I wasn't even close with a mere +144.

I completely forgot how badly I smoked that round that year. I thought I'd grabbed Vernon in the 5th and didn't remember the LeRibeus thing at all.

Good job running it this year guys. Pest and snr, thanks and **** off.

Staylor with the kick to the dick.

His first rounder knocked a chick unconscious. 5th round at best now, IMO.

God, these guys are so dumb. He just lost so much money

$7 million right cross.

Good move, Caleb.

Yea and I already hated that pick more than any I've ever made. First all out need need pick I've made in my two years doing this mock, but at least it was to **** the Raiders I guess?

Lesson learned though. I'm a full believer in BPA every single pick after this practice.

Might actually drop that far, too.

UDFA

It's possible. What team is going to jump on that grenade?

Conley accused of rape. One more kick to the nuts for me.

You should be a detective. You're great at identifying criminals.

Well, he was drafting for Oakland, after all.

My second round pick for SF went before my first.

I have no response to that.

Nailed the Chiefs pick.

My Browns picks have worked out well so far. The #1 and #2 picks overall.

Got 17 points for Mahomes and I'm not sure if we add a bonus for nailing the pick for the team that drafted him or not...

I took Adoree Jackson in the 43rd pick for Philly and he just went 18th overall to the Titans...+25

Nice start.

Same thing happened to me.

Dalvin Cook is still on the board and Adoree Jackson just went 18th.

My Saints draft looks fantastic so far

Ross, McKinley, and Conley. 3 first round talents that all went earlier than I got them. As GM, I'm a little nervous about McKinley after that interview though LMAO

Whoever drafts for the Chiefs next year is probably super ****ing pissed right now.

Two of my 2nd rounders have been drafted already. One of my first rounders hasn't been.

Both of my first rounders were picked before my selections so I earned some points on those. Now for the rest of the draft....

I'll deal, just thrilled I won't be looking for a QB.

53. Detroit - TambaBerry - Jarrad Davis, LB, Florida

This pick looking damn good

I was just bragging you up to the locals for your first two picks for the Leos.

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Aside from Winston going to Tampa this is the first time im pretty sure ive nailed the player the team picked.

Another full round gained for the 49ers with Zay Jones.

I knew I was in nice shape with them.

Nice +50 for ReachChief on Marcus Williams.

Mahomes was a +17
Williams was a +49
Douglas was a +5
Vanderdoes is a +44
-19 for Tim Williams

Not too shabby of a start.

For philly

Cook -27
Jackson +25
Nailed the exact draft slot Chris Wormley went.

Tanoh


I picked him in this mock we are so lucky we got him. Ever since I did research for titans I wanted this kid for chiefs I'm so excited that Dorsey and crew saw what I saw!

Both of my drafts have AIDS LMAO

+129 for Vince Biegel

Mack Hollins just went at 118.

That's another +62

Holy shit, Joe Williams just went at the 121 slot.

Another +95

Sitting at a +253 overall and I'm sure Blair Brown is gonna come off the board fairly soon to give me more value

Straight killing it.

My 49ers draft is killing.

Basham and Beckwith also a round ahead of where I took them.

Huge first 4 rounds for them.

I picked Montae Nicholson with pick 249, Redskins took him wiht pick 123

I have a couple real turds, I'm talking about you Desmond King.

David Sharpe, Niners 7th rounder goes in the 4th.

Slayin' it...

And Davenport right behind him.

Looks like I'll take a hit for. Kaaya but he and the kicker are my only guys that haven't been taken already.

Detroit Lions Draft

21. Detroit - Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama - 16th +5
53. Detroit - Jarrad Davis, LB, Florida - 21st +32
85. Detroit - Juju Smith-Schuster, WR, USC - 62nd +23
127. Detroit - Wayne Gallman, RB, Clemson - 140th -13
165. Detroit - Jerod Evans, QB, Virginia Tech -
205. Detroit - Riley Bullough, LB, Michigan State
215. Detroit - Najee Murray, CB, Kent State
250. Detroit - Cameron Tom C Southern Mississippi

Cincinnati Bengals draft

9. Cincinnati - O.J. Howard,TE, Alabama 19th -10
41. Cincinnati - Jordan Willis DE Kansas State - 73rd -32
73. Cincinnati - Chidobe Awuzie, CB, Colorado - 60th +13
116. Cincinnati - Charles Walker, DT, Oklahoma
138. Cincinnati - Jalen Reeves-Maybin, LB, Tennessee 124th +14
153. Cincinnati - John Toth, C, Kentucky
176. Cincinnati - Fish Smithson, S, Kansas
193. Cincinnati - Tanzel Smart, DT, Tulane
217. Cincinnati - Jordan Morgan, OG, Kutztown - 147th + 70
227. Cincinnati - Isaiah Mckenzie, WR, Georgia
251. Cincinnati - KD Cannon WR Baylor

To quote Nate Diaz, " I'm not surprised, Mother******!"

Practice safe mocking.

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Might have to change name to CleveStud?

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Easy does it. I won this dick measuring contest last year when we calculate based on slot comparisons. I outright dominated, in fact.

Shrinkage this year?

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Vincent Taylor killed me. Knew that should have been Marcus Williams.

Blair Brown got me another +22

Cooper and Rehnkow didn't get picked, though.

I'll have to total it all up later.

Sure was fun

I overdraft the shit out of everyone it seems.

Pittsburgh's draft:

1.30. Carl Lawson, DE/OLB, Auburn (116) -86
2.62. Adam Shaheen, TE, Ashland (45) +17
3.94. Jalen Myrick, CB, Minnesota (222) -128
3.105. Davon Godchaux, DT, LSU (178) -73
4.135. Taywan Taylor, WR, Western Kentucky (72) +58
5.173. Connor Harris, ILB, Lindenwood (undrafted) -81
6.213. Avery Moss, DE/OLB, Youngstown State (167) +46
7.248. Donnel Pumphrey, RB, San Diego State (132) +116

Minnesota's draft

2.48- Dan Feeney, OG, Indiana (71) -23
3.79- Isaac Asiata, OG, Utah (164) -85
3.86- Ahkello Witherspoon, CB, Colorado (66) +20
4.120- Elijah Qualls, DT, Washington (214) -94
4.128- Marlon Mack, RB, South Florida (143) -25
5.160- Tedric Thompson, S, Colorado (111) +49
6.199- Antony Auclair, TE, Laval (Canada) (undrafted) -55
7.232- Nate Hairston, CB, Temple (158) +74

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4. Jacksonville - Hoover - Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford (San Fran Pick 3) +1
35. Jacksonville - Hoover - Forrest Lamp, G, Western Kentucky (Chargers pick 38) -3
68. Jacksonville - Hoover - Desmond King, CB, Iowa (Chargers pick 151) -83
110. Jacksonville - Hoover - Cameron Sutton, CB, Tennessee (Steelers pick 94) +16
148. Jacksonville - Hoover - J.J. Dielman, G, Utah (Bengals pick 176) -28
187. Jacksonville - Hoover - Michael Roberts, TE, Toledo (Lions pick 127) +60
222. Jacksonville - Hoover - Travin Dural, WR, LSU (Packers pick 247) -25


31. Atlanta - Hoover - Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan (Cowboys pick 28) +3
63. Atlanta - Hoover - Montravius Adams, DT, Auburn (Packers pick 93) -30
95. Atlanta - Hoover - Ethan Pocic, C, LSU (Seahawks Pick 58) +37
136. Atlanta - Hoover - Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson (Jet pick 150) -14
174. Atlanta - Hoover - Fred Ross, WR, Mississippi State (UNDRAFTED) -79
249. Atlanta - Hoover - Montae Nicholson, S, Michigan State (Redskins pick 123) +126


So all combined, I ended up being -19 for both teams. I'm actually pretty happy with that. A couple big misses. Oh well.

Cleveland's draft breakout:

01. Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M - #1 pick (0 points)
12. Mitchell Trubisky, QB, UNC - #2 pick (+11 points)
33. Budda Baker, FS, Washington - #36 pick (-3 points)
52. Pat Elflein, C, Ohio State - #70 pick (-18 points)
65. Ryan Anderson, OLB, Alabama - #49 pick (+16 points)
108. Samaje Perine, RB, Oklahoma - #114 pick (-8 points)
145. Jeremy Sprinkle, TE, Arkansas - #154 pick (-9 points)
175. Aviante Collins, OT, TCU - Undrafted (-79 points)
181. Ryan Glasgow, DT, Michigan - #138 pick (+43 points)
185. William Likely, CB, Maryland - Undrafted (-69 points)
188. Travis Rudolph, WR, Florida State - Undrafted (-66 points)

-182 points total, but it was mostly three late-round picks who went undrafted. Eliminate them and it's a +32. My first five rounds went about as predicted.

Here are New England's picks. We didn't have any high picks.

72. New England - Rain Man, S Josh Jones - #61 (+11 points)
96. New England - Rain Man, Cooper Kupp, WR, Eastern Washington - #69 (+27 points)
131. New England (from Seattle) - Rain Man - James Conner, RB, Pittsburgh - #105 (+26 points)
163. New England (from Denver) - Rain Man - Ejuan Price, LB, Pittsburgh - #234 (-71 points)
183. New England - Rain Man - Ifeadi Odenigbo, DE, Northwestern - #220 (-37 points)
200. New England (from Indianapolis) - Rain Man - Cole Hikutini, TE, Louisville - Undrafted - (-54 points)
239. New England (from Detroit) - Rain Man - Lorenzo Jerome, S, St. Francis - Undrafted (-15 points)

Overall, a score of -113 points, but again, it was my late rounders who cost me. My first three picks were +64. We'll be fine, and if not, we'll cheat.

I did absolutey terrible, probably the worst one out of everybody

Carolina Panthers, -59 due to Roderick Johnson dropping like a rock.

8. Carolina - CleveSteve - Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU 4 4
40. Carolina - CleveSteve - Tre'Davious White, CB/S, LSU 27 13
64. Carolina (from New England) - CleveSteve - Roderick Johnson, OT, Florida State 160 -96
98 daeshon hall 77 Match 21
115. Carolina - CleveSteve - Rayshawn Jenkins, S, Mia 113 2
152. Carolina - CleveSteve - Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina 133 19
192. Carolina - CleveSteve - Jordan Evans, LB 193 -1
233. Carolina (from Indianapolis through Cleveland) - CleveSteve - Ishmael Zamora 254 -21

Tampa Bay -11 due to me being an idiot

19. Tampa Bay - CleveSteve - Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama 34 -15
50. Tampa Bay - CleveSteve - Evan Engram, TE, Ole Miss 23 27
84. Tampa Bay - CleveSteve - Vincent Taylor, DT, Oklahoma State 194 -110
125. Tampa Bay - CleveSteve - John Johnson, S, Boston College 91 34
162. Tampa Bay - CleveSteve - Amba Etta-Tawo, WR, Syracuse 254 -92
204. Tampa Bay - CleveSteve - Elijah McGuire, RB, Louisiana - L 188 16
237. Tampa Bay - CleveSteve - Vince Biegel, LB, Wisconsin 108 129

I hit with my Bills draft and sucked with my Cowboys draft:

Bills +42<O:p</O:p
1.10 Mike Williams, WR, Clemson (7) +3
2.44 Teez Tabor, CB, Florida (53) -9
3.75 Dalvin Tomlinson, DT, Alabama (55) +22
5.156 Chad Hansen, WR, California (141) +15
5.171 Erik Magnuson, OT, Michigan (ND) -83
6.198 CJ Beathard, QB, Iowa (104) +94<O:p</O:p

Cowboys -35<O:p</O:p
1.28 Derek Barnett, DE/OLB, Tennessee (14) +14
2.60 Jourdan Lewis, CB, Michigan (92) -32
3.92 Dede Westbrook, WR, Oklahoma (110) -18
4.133 George Kittle, TE, Iowa (146) -13
6.211 Matt Milano, LB, Boston College (163) +48
7.228 Jessamen Dunker, OG, Tennessee State (ND) -26
7.246 Austin Carr, WR, Northwestern (ND) -8

I love reading the CP Mock Draft every year. But from an outsider's perspective, I think you guys are scoring this wrong. Having huge misses - either positive or negative - shows you don't really know how the NFL sees these guys. Huge negative scores mean you reached really bad but huge positive misses means that you and everyone else had no idea that the teams liked that guy as much as they did.

It seems to me that you want your score to be as close to zero as possible (without large offsetting misses). Marco Polo's Cowboys draft is a good example of what I see as a good mock. None of his guys are more than a round off from where they actually went.

Just a thought.

Well yeah but that's just like your opinion man. You can have an absolutely embarrassing one lime I had

Mahomes was a +17
Williams was a +49
Douglas was a +5
Vanderdoes is a +44
-19 for Tim Williams
Mack Hollins was a +62
Joe Williams was a +95
Blair Brown was a +22

Cooper and Rehnkow didn't get picked

Rehnkow cost me -9
Cooper was a -36

Overall, my Chiefs draft was a +230

Bossreach, indeed.

I'm probably about -800 or so on each team. I'll get around to checking here in a moment.

Assuming UDFA valued at 254.

Chargers Draft: -48

1.007 - Reuben Foster, ILB, Alabama (R1.31 SF) -24
2.038 - Obi Melifonwu, FS, Connecticut (R2.056 OAK) -18
3.071 - Dion Dawkins, OT/G, Temple (R2.063 BUF) +8
4.113 - Shaquill Griffin, CB, Central Florida (R3.090 SEA) +23
5.151 - Kenny Golladay, WR, Northern Illinois (R3.096 DET) +55
6.190 - Hunter Dimick, DE, Utah (UDFA) -64
7.225 - Chad Kelly, QB, Ole Miss (R7.253 DEN) -28

Seahawks Draft: +1

1.026 - Fabian Moreau, CB, UCLA (R3.081 WAS) -55
2.058 - Antonio Garcia, LT, Troy (R3.085 NE) -27
3.090 - Tyus Bowser, DE/OLB, Houston (R2.047 BAL) +43
3.102 - Larry Ogunjobi, DT, Charlotte (R3.065 CLE) +37
3.106 - Will Holden, RT, Vanderbilt (R5.157 ARZ) -51
6.210 - Josh Malone, WR, Tennessee (R4.128 CIN) +82
7.226 - Damarius Travis, SS, Minnesota (UDFA) -28


Taking Dimick really slaughtered my Chargers draft and Moreau injuring his pec dropping him from R1 consideration hurt pretty bad. Other than that, I suppose I did okay.

Wow boss that's fantastic. Great job

Here's the Eagles actual daft...

1. (14) Derek Barnett, de, Tennessee

2. (43) Sidney Jones, cb, Washington

3. (99) Rasul Douglas, cb, West Virginia

4. (118) Mack Hollins, wr, North Carolina

4. (132) Donnel Pumphrey, rb, San Diego State

5. (166) Shelton Gibson, wr, West Virginia

5. (184) Nate Gerry, s, Nebraska

6. (214) Elijah Qualls, dt, Washington

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...#storylink=cpy

...

Crazy that I drafted Douglas and Hollins for KC and drafted Gerry for Phili....

I selected at least 1 player from each team that their real team actually drafted. I think I've done that every year I've been in this mock.

...

14 Dalvin Cook went at 41....-27
43 Adoree Jackson went at 18....+25
74 Chris Wormley went at the 74 slot. Nailed the exact slot he was drafted.
118 Corn Elder went at 152....-34
139 Jermaine Eluemanor went at 159.....-20
155 Noah Brown went at 239....-84
194 Nathan Gerry went at 184....+10
230 Chase Roullier went at 199...+31

Overall, I think I'm at a -99 with the Eagles...but I'm happy with that.

I nailed the draft slot for Wormley and drafted them a player they took in the real draft in Gerry. Getting a first round corner like Jackson in the second was nice and Cook is a game breaker. Also, every guy I drafted for the Eagles got drafted in the real draft.

Overall, between both drafts, I'm at +131 (if I did my math right, I quick added it up in my head.)

My best pick was Joe Williams that got me a +95
Other notable selections were nailing KCs first rounder, Nathan Gerry to Philly and Wormley taken at his actual draft slot.

My worst pick was Noah Brown at a -84.


Thanks again for letting me participate.

Did anybody score higher for one of their teams than KCs +230? Or combined +131?

While my numbers / score were not good, I did a pretty good job of positional picking.

The Buccs started off with seven picks but ended up drafting six players. All six positions they drafted, I drafted for them as well.

Also, I drafted the same positions for the first five rounds as the Panthers actually drafted with those picks, including getting Daeshon Hall in the third, a running back at 8, and a tackle at 64.

49ers draft = +164. Not as good as my Steelers draft last year, IIRC but damn good. The Kaaya pick got me pretty good; I bought into some of the late hype on Davis, Dobbs and Peterman, figuring that Kaaya would end up being the beneficiary of a day 2 run that had him going early in day 3.

But other than that, I pretty much aced this one; no terrible misses and 7 picks that went ahead of where I got them to 3 that went behind. I'll take that any day.

Broncos total = +137. More misfires in this draft but better than I thought it would be. I'll do my 'woulda shoulda' draft in a minute; I'm betting it's far better.

Got ya by a fair amount at +301.

So my combined score this year was better than last year's though my best team last year was better than my best team this year.

Come at me, bro. I'm pretty sure I have back to back Ws in the Mock...

Worthless breakdown of my hypothetical alternate draft from my previous draft breakdown post