And this is why I'm all for it. Not only that....but you can extend Hill so that his cap hits don't get huge until after Watkins is gone. You can extend Thomas so that his cap hits aren't huge until Berry's contract is ready to be voided. Shit can be managed so that we can bring Thomas in and still keep the guys that we want to.

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I don't think we cut Houston next year. Dee Ford is the one that needs to be replaced. Cutting Houston would mean you extend/franchise Ford and that is a terrible move. I think we need to use O'Daniel more. I agree that Ragland was a stopgap and look for Niemann to take his place before the end of the season.

Man. There is a LOT of chatter about this in the Twitterverse right now. When that's the case, there's almost ALWAYS something to it.

Hope this ****ing happens.

Ford has been kicking ass this year.

I am praying to EVERY god I can think of!!!

Too bad he's ****ing hurt again.

Yup.

Get it done Veach. Effectively flipping Marcus Peters for Earl Thomas (and whoever that 4th round pick was) looks a lot more palatable.

We have tons of good players on rookie deals.

Get the deal done, now!

can you post some links or something?

Obviously its a position of dire need. But, last I heard it was a 1st rounder for 13 games. 12 in reality because he would need to get up to speed on the play calls? Seems steep to me without any guarantees of playing for us next year.

Yeah, lets see it.

Twitter nobodies....but here you go.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sounding like Earl Thomas to the Chiefs....Reports that Thomas landed in Kansas City for physical....</p>&mdash; Darnell (@Dar007) <a href="https://twitter.com/Dar007/status/1044383567206264832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hearing <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> will trade a 2nd and a 3rd for Earl Thomas.</p>&mdash; Judge Reid (@GothamSirens2) <a href="https://twitter.com/GothamSirens2/status/1044627334022791168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RapSheet</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> made a deal with <a href="https://twitter.com/Earl_Thomas?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Earl_Thomas</a>. Chiefs trade their 2nd and 3rd round picks. Chiefs are giving Earl a 4 year 55 million dollar extension. They are expected to restructure <a href="https://twitter.com/JHouston50?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JHouston50</a> contract to make it happen. Will have 3 million in cap space left</p>&mdash; Judge Reid (@GothamSirens2) <a href="https://twitter.com/GothamSirens2/status/1044630232165228544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Earl Thomas as the high safety and Eric Berry as the down safety. Oh my. I hope this happens. <a href="https://t.co/EIhpChKwlR">https://t.co/EIhpChKwlR</a></p>&mdash; Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) <a href="https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1043875728524226561?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Its all speculation. No reputable NFL reporter is posting anything


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RapSheet</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> made a deal with <a href="https://twitter.com/Earl_Thomas?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Earl_Thomas</a>. Chiefs trade their 2nd and 3rd round picks. Chiefs are giving Earl a 4 year 55 million dollar extension. They are expected to restructure <a href="https://twitter.com/JHouston50?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JHouston50</a> contract to make it happen. Will have 3 million in cap space left</p>&mdash; Judge Reid (@GothamSirens2) <a href="https://twitter.com/GothamSirens2/status/1044630232165228544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/Earl_Thomas?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Earl_Thomas</a> Was that you at MCI?!?!?!?!</p>&mdash; Jordan Thaller (@JordanThaller) <a href="https://twitter.com/JordanThaller/status/1044386137446526978?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/kent_swanson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@kent_swanson</a> there’s people who think they saw earl Thomas at KCI... and a report saying he started following the chiefs and some of their players. Have you heard anything else since Reid’s conference?</p>&mdash; Daulton Baker (@Dbaker_70) <a href="https://twitter.com/Dbaker_70/status/1044408845345452032?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Earl Thomas is at KCI. Let&#39;s ****ing go!!!</p>&mdash; IG: THEDONRICARDO (@TheDonRicardo) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheDonRicardo/status/1044369749302489089?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RapSheet</a> Hearing talk that Earl Thomas is now at KC airport. Any truth??</p>&mdash; DONKEY MUSCLE (@mistashoesta) <a href="https://twitter.com/mistashoesta/status/1044423444920582144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Where is ChiefsInsider when you need him?

Have no idea who this Judge Reid dude is, but I pray to God he is right!

i get that its all nobodies, it just always makes me laugh when people get on twitter and try to act like they know something.

Isn't there a way to front load a deal with Thomas? Hypothetically pay him, I dont know, $22 million next year. Take stress off the cap for the remainder of his contract?

It definitely not ideal to have two of the highest paid safeties....but no one saw Berry missing 20 out of 21 games after signing a mega deal. Dorsey saw potential for a scenario like this though.

It's a strange situation...both KCs starting safeties are hurt coupled with Mahomes setting the NFL on fire. Their defense is allowing 500 yards a game...something has to give. Could signing Thomas make Sorensen expendable after this season? Is there a cash savings there? Thomas also provides long-term insurance in case Berry never gets back to 100%.


Dee Ford is injured too often to offer anything long term...and definitely not worth franchise tag money.

I would trade a 2nd and a 3rd in 2020

Wheres that dude that had the Watkins signing?

I doubt Earl Thomas was at KCI and nobody nationally knew about it.

wouldn't the trade be announced pending a physical anyway?

If they've got that many moving parts, they'll wanna keep it quiet. Agree to compensation with Seattle, a new deal with Thomas, probably have to restructure some deals somewhere as well.

He has nothing about it

Ask him about it.

Ya neber know!!!

RedMamba707

Soren Petro, who I usually agree with, was flat out wrong about Earl Thomas.

In no way is a second round pick more valuable than Earl Thomas. First, let's say you draft his equivalent. How long does it take him to get to that level. Second, the Chiefs are dogshit at drafting second round picks.

The window for the Super Bowl got sped the hell up when Mahomes blew up. It's currently "NOW" and for the next three years. Earl Thomas will be good for three years and a contract for him absolutely makes sense.

He's like "you'll regret it when it comes time to sign some of these young players."

Uh, no we won't, Soren. Not if we win a Super Bowl first.

I'll wait until I hear some concrete info from Nick Athan before I get too excited.

Berry signed for 5 and 50 when he was drafted

Who knows if this will happen.

But getting excited about it sure is fun!

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

There are some people that value draft picks above all else...do you think the Patriots would be better if they had kept Chandler Jones than the guys they drafted with that pick?

Draft picks have value..sometimes the player you can get has more value, it depends on the spot of the team. If you are a horrible rebuilding team, yea picks. Win now teams..players. Green Bay never signs any FA or makes trades look how they are still the Aaron Rodgers show just with a bunch of disappointing draft picks.

I've come to a realization, this market doesn't truly understand what it means to play for this year with the Chiefs. It's always been "next year" so that's why we are getting takes like the pick has more value.

There's a myriad of ways they could structure the contract. The bottom line is if they want him, they absolutely CAN do it.

Veach is an aggressive GM...and not afraid to deal picks to get who he wants. *cough Speaks*

He doesn't want to be there now. That bridge is likely burnt.

The Seahawks done ****ed that up, he'd have stayed if they'd have simply said, you did us a solid 4 years ago so now we'll do you one back.

Right.

Plus for everybody saying the NFL isn't like baseball, it's more like baseball than EVER before. With the newer rules and the emphasis on the passing game, more than ever before, the NFL is about individual players at skill positions.

This isn't the same old NFL it's always been. There absolutely is a place in the 2018 NFL for putting your team over the top at the trading deadline.

Saw him at Hyvee buying rutabaga.

Eric Berry - Earl Thomas -Kendall Fuller - Stud 1st rnd corner.

I'm in.

I get that and agree. But still.....I think a first round pick with 5 years of cost control has more value to our defense than 12 games of Thomas. We can get a stud there. If we are talking a 2nd or a 3rd for Thomas. I can get behind that idea.

No one is giving up a 1st rnd pick for Earl Thomas. Why did you have to go with two unlikely extremes here?

KC's offense is essentially set for the foreseeable future...and they have an entire draft, next year, to spend on defense.

Flip a 2nd (Peters pick) for Thomas..he's a no lose proposition barring injury. Unless the thought of missing out on the next Speaks/K-pass scares you...

so-
you know, I posted earlier that this isn't MLB and a small market team has a tiny window to compete so you absolutely spend all possible capital to make use of that window, it's the NFL and so you have a window as long as you have a franchise QB.

That being said, taking a page from the Royals playbook here-there was a lot of talk last offseason about how the Safety position was 'devalued' and corners were what all the teams were spending the money on, drafting their safeties instead. AND-offensive yardage is way, way up league-wide. Perhaps the NFL was remiss.

IF the problem is not scheme, it would appear that Sutton's scheme as it currently exists is dependent on excellent Safety play. Maybe it'd be worth it to have the hands-down no contest best safety tandem in football.

Earl Thomas is going to cost more but you don't think he has 4 or 5 years in him? And it's not going to be a high pick, someone should go look at like the last 5 drafts and fine me someone taken between 25-32 that you'd trade Earl Thomas for.

First of all, it won't be a 1st round pick.

And second, he's not signing anywhere if he's not getting a new deal.

This isn't a 12-game rental.

If he's coming here, it's for 3-4 years and large money.

Yes!

The talk on Good Morning Football this morning was that the increase in offense has led to an increase in ratings, and the shield is hell bent on protecting qb's and offense as that is the future of the league. Chiefs just need to get this defense to respectable....and Earl Thomas does that instantly.

Get it done Veach!

This. FFS people.

See now you're seeing it. NFL passing and passing TDs are on pace to break every record ever. This just isn't the same old NFL anymore. Times are changing. It's time to get ahead of the curve.

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I'd argue that the increase in ratings is not from an increase in offense, but instead a plethora of fresh, new young QB talent. The NFL has been in a QB dry spell for the past few years while the last of the old guard play out their final seasons.

Theres no chance it ends up costing a first. I'd be surprised if it's more than just a single 2nd.

The addition of the contract is gonna lower the price and his age.

It's all of the above. The NFL is changing right before our eyes.

I think that argument is basically the same. The new fresh qb's are bringing a helluva lot of offense with them.

Either way, we have the offense and a new young stud QB. Go get Earl Thomas and let's fight for a Super Bowl!

No, Thomas would be worth more. Just leary of him signing long term.

Last I heard from the talking heads on ESPN was that a sign and trade is not possible in the NFL. You have to make the trade and then work out a contract. Just going off what I heard. No idea if thats true or not.


Why would ESPN get something that basic wrong? Are you telling me that Thomas and the Seahawks aren't trading Thomas without a long term deal in place with the new team?

I still don't like the scheme. BUT-it is what it is. If you can go get the players to run it this far into the season, your window is open NOW. Do it.

The Seahawks could agree to let the Chiefs and Thomas agent discuss an extension IIRC.

Same with the Bears and Khalil, that was done before they finalized the trade.

In the NFL, the Seahawks can workout the terms of a trade, in principle, with the Chiefs and then give the Chiefs permission to negotiate a deal with Thomas in good faith.

Both the Seahawks' compensation (draft picks) and Thomas' (money) can be worked out ahead of time.

ESPN is wrong. Go read the timeline of the Alex Smith deal and you'll see how it is done. Alex Smith was effectively traded before the league season even started.

The Seahawks give you permission to talk to him, you work out the deal, trade occurs he signs the contract when he comes in.

Yeah, the scheme isn't changing this year so it really isn't a discussion worth having anymore.

Getting rid of Sutton is an offseason decision. With the way Mahomes is playing now, we can't wait to do something different.

Try Thomas and change coordinators this spring if it doesn't quite pay off.

Adam Teicher
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Andy Reid wouldn't talk specifically about Seattle's unhappy safety, Earl Thomas, and whether the Chiefs would be interested in trading for him. But he seemed to indicate they're not in that market when he said in talking about trades in general: "I know the rumors are out there but that's not where we're at

That was yesterday. Keep up.

He has to say that. We already got nailed (undeservedly so) for tampering, no way he risks it again.

We're a little more than half way to the Breeland thread total...

:popcorn:

I hate megathreads. Who started this sum bitch?

People also need to realize that, since Maclin, Reid will shoot down any and all talk of the team acquiring new personnel.

Not quite. You would work out the contract with the agent. You couldn't SIGN the contract until the trade was completed. So yes, they would agree to a contract in principle, execute the trade, and then sign the contract.

"That's not where we're at"

Wtf does that even mean? Coach speak. It means nothing.

I did check, and Thomas DID start following the Chiefs on Twitter yesterday. So that part is at least true.

To my understanding, he follows a lot of teams. Wouldn't be surprised if his agent told him to, to create smoke.

This isn't a megathread. It's about one specific topic that has a lot of burn. Do you want a thread for literally every quotation or piece of news on a topic?

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NFL: "Safety is a position we no longer care about, therefore Eric Reid not getting signed has seriously nothing to do with his lawsuit, there is no collusion, it's just safety doesn't matter as much."

NFL Games: *breaks passing records every week of the season so far*

For a dude that is not keeping up with this thread, can you all summarize where we are at right now?

Stalker?

Imagine your life and what it would be if you never read or even saw this thread.


That's about where we are.

For what purpose? either he's getting traded or he isn't, and certainly the agent would know better. He can call any GM directly, I doubt he needs to bury a twitter follow so that the most hardcore of nerd message board fans can create smoke.

I would, however, say that Thomas hears wind of KC being interested and follows them to see if there's any smoke, but I doubt it is to create said smoke.

smoke.


smoke smoke smokey smoke.