By inviting trouble in, you're setting yourself up for major headaches and decisions that you don't want and shouldn't have to make in the first place.
It's suicide in that you're leaving yourself wide open to be taken down at the worst time(s) possible. And since you won't answer my question, I'll give you the answer; it is NOT fair or right to the team and fans to have a valuable player yanked out of the lineup going in to an important series of games or especially the playoffs. It ****s with team confidence and chemistry, and makes the fans apprehensive and pissed off when there was never any need to put everyone in that position to begin with.

I am NOT thankful. What is Clark's "second chance" or "one strike" policy doing for me right this minute? Nothing. Not a damned thing good in any event. Maybe you care about yesterday but I don't. And I'm inclined to believe that most fans feel the same way, even if they can not express that sentiment in an articulate fashion.

Clark enabled it by opening the door to begin with. And then Hill created it. And I wish, at this time, that he had "created it" somewhere else.

I believe it's time for the fan base to draw up a petition spelling out in VERY specific terms what types of past charges should be considered acceptable going forward. Most fans that I've talked to support this idea and agree that a baseline needs to be established. And you can damned well believe that sexual offenders, domestic violence, and violence against women will NOT make the cut.

If Dee Ford didn't line up in the neutral zone, we likely win a Super Bowl, in large part because of Hill's performance.

Not sure how one can call it a "suicide policy." It has pros and cons but it has worked out for us in spades thus far.

I dont care about yesterday. I care about the Chiefs winning a superbowl. But I'm not about to cry a river if the Chiefs are willing to give players a 2nd chance, when I personally believe anyone short of Aaron Hernandez deserves one, and that player, a grown ass man, doesnt have the sensibility to know that beating up your gf/fiance and abusing your 3 year old child or even putting himself in a situation to "accidentally" break his arm will end his career.

Like I said before, Hill has been in the league for 3 years. Which team was he on in those 3 years that hoisted a Lombardi trophy?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hey, <a href="https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JasonLaCanfora</a>. I know you love pointing out all of the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> horrific incidents with Jovan Belcher, Kareem Hunt &amp; Tyreek Hill. But your Baltimore Ravens have seen 31 arrests in total. That’s 31 too many. Where is your outrage there?<a href="https://t.co/hnuXW39Nmq">https://t.co/hnuXW39Nmq</a></p>&mdash; Farzin Vousoughian (@Farzin21) <a href="https://twitter.com/Farzin21/status/1123219213156540416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 30, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Well, let's see:

Jovan Belcher = Dead.

Kareem Hunt = Picked up for peanuts by the Browns after release.

Tyreek Hill: Suspended and probably unable to play for a year assuming no charges are brought forth.

How is this "working in spades"? Because clearly your idea of success and mine are different.


Wut? You need to answer your own question.

Anyway, my policy is, you want to bring these types of guys in and make them indispensable to team success? You need to take the WHOLE ride and not just dump then when they break your arbitrary "chance law", your mythical little "line in the sand". At that point, it's all about keeping the weapon/asset by any means necessary.

Belcher has no affiliation with anyone on this staff.

There is nothing arbitrary about a 1 strike policy.

Do we think news about Tyreek will come today?

No, the Chiefs won't cut him until the NFL decides something, the last thing they want is for him to end up in Cleveland with Hunt on some stupid offense they have to deal with in the playoffs.

I’m talking about the report of him being placed of the commissioner exemp list sometime this week

Drafting players with checkered histories (especially in in later rounds as fallen angels) and controlling them through their rookie deals while hoping that they've matured has been more positive than negative for the Chiefs over the last decade, no? Houston, Hunt, Hill, arguably Peters.

Or are you saying the Chiefs would've been better off having never drafted Hill at all?

Doubt it. Theres really no purpose to putting him on the exempt list, yet, unless the idea is he will never come off that list and will be banned from the sport indefinitely.

Chiefs need to clam up and let the process play out.

"Week to week", Andy. You can do this.

What I'm saying is that from this point forward, you don't draft high risk offenders AT ALL. You don't draft sexual and violent offenders AT ALL. You can do your research( and you should ), but if there's a conviction on file and any part of your brain is telling you "this guy absolutely did what he was accused of and may very well do so again", then DO NOT take the chance. Move on to one of the other 1,000+ players available.

I can't and do not want to debate the past because it is done. And if you look at your list, you'll see that only Houston, with his minor little weed infraction, is the only one that had a long term and successful career here. As far as I'm concerned, the rest of those guys are straight-up busts because they can no longer contribute here. Who CARES what they did prior? Last season isn't happening again.

KCTV5 "MAY" (or may not) have some BREAKING NEWS! Stay tuned...

That guy saw Hill catch a miracle bomb from Mahomes last season...and beat his Ravens. Think there might be an ulterior motive with his obsession with CHunt and the Chiefs?

Personally, I think the guy needs his ass kicked in an alley. Maybe then, he might realize there are real-life ramifications for an overt attempt to sabotage another mans career...who hasn't been charged with anything.

He is a weasel...and a sensationalizing hypocrite.

The fact the league office hasn't said anything leads me to believe something is really wrong.

As in, this is all a PR Smear job. And the fact don't support anything....

See...I dont understand this at all. The DA will have had 3 months...and if he cant find enough evidence for a conviction. ..Hill is innocent.

Hill gets suspended for YEAR....when the justice systems says he didn't do anything.

If this is the new "normal"....might as well start making false accusations to the press about all your opponents best players. Get the public whipped up in a feeding frenzy...doesnt matter if they are innocent or not...the media will crucify them either way.

Even if that was the case, it would be nearly impossible to go back now.

The SJWs and Virtue Signalers on twitter have made their decision and Tyreek is guilty. If he was declared innocent then they would be even more outraged about an "NFL cover up".

What I’m saying!! Something doesn’t seem right from why she recorded him to why did she try and so called lie for him.

I honestly believe this has been made out worse then it really was. Hill was probably playing around with his son and he tripped and fell and broke his arm. I don’t think Hill would punch his son. I can see why he punched Crystal the first time. She’s a crazy bitch. Doesn’t make it right tho

Someone quick tell the NFL that Brady kissed your son on the mouth

NFLPA then would sue the shit out of the league. Rueben Foster cannot play, while Tyreek Can't....

It's entirely the same situation.

Actually it doesn't have a 0% success rate. We've lost 1 player at this point over it in how many years?

Which one of you is Robert?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Robert please never call me again! <a href="https://twitter.com/CBSSportsRadio?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@cbssportsradio</a> <a href="https://t.co/Yc6domAlqM">pic.twitter.com/Yc6domAlqM</a></p>&mdash; Zach Gelb (@ZachGelb) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZachGelb/status/1122890088072065024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LaCanfora has always had it thought for Kansas City ever since the Royals bitch slapped the O's in 2014.

What did Belcher and hunt do prior to their final issues? What were they convicted of before being drafted?

Hunt was suspended for 2 games at Toledo

Being suspended for two games in your entire career for violating team rules is not a character issue, for all we know he could have been late to class.

Nah...it's not.

Eisen did a show where he said Hunt should never play in the NFL again...when the SJWs were in full throat.

Now...not a word. It's all sensationalist tabloid garbage...that rots away with time. Why...because the poison peddlers who are pushing it... dont even believe the crap they are saying.

Like I said...Chiefs need to go dark to the media....they've indefinitely suspended him which is all they need to do. Anything they say...will get twisted to fit the crucifixion click-bait agenda.

Just repeat "we've suspended Hill, and will let the justice system runs it course. We wont have any further comment on an ongoing investigation"

If you notice...most of the people who were calling for Hill's head have stopped posting in this thread. Just like they stopped attacking Hunt once things settled....

Yep...F that guy. Besides all that, he isn't even a very good writer....

Belcher was a bear?

Exactly the case.

I don't agree with it at all. The NFL has proven itself capable of corruption and favoritism, and I'm sure they'll "Maclin" his ass to the fullest extent possible.

It's because the topic has been beaten to death. What more is there to say?

No, it's basically a circle jerk at this point between the same few with nothing new that hasn't been discussed. I didn't bother to read. Is there some new development?

Hill is a superstar...and people want to watch him play. They want to watch MVP Mahomes throw bombs to him...in the end, THAT is the product they are selling.

Ratings are Goodells one and only God...and the NFL has shown "favoritism" towards it's best (most profitable) players.

Good...that means the media oversaturation is already happening. People are losing interest...

98% percent of the people that are even following this..is because if Hill is suspended, it helps their teams chances. They dont even know the details of how this whole thing started or care.

You think SF fans cared about Hunt...a week after it all went down. Did you care about Reuben Fosters situation...or the details? Were you on a forum, banging the table for DV justice?

Well yeah he is a celebrity that's why it is getting a lot of coverage but any child abuse case is pretty disturbing and ****ed up. Not sure the point you are trying to make here.

You think a 3-year-old getting his arm broken due to child abuse is no big deal?

You dont know if there was abuse...or if Hill did it. You WANT Hill to be guilty...and have since the Star article.

At least be honest in your motivation...

The DA couldnt find enough for an abuse conviction...which wasn't the news you had hoped for.

You also want to gloss over that Crystal and her family have shown some shady tendencies...because that helps Hills chances of being innocent.

Because it's pointless to argue with idiots. Those hell bent on defending him will just continue to minimize, deflect, find ways to blame the woman and child, and call everyone who disagrees with them an "sjw" or some other name, just to try to shame them into speaking up. Rinse, lather, and repeat. But I guarantee for every one of you who shows up here to defend keeping a guy who punches his 3 year old in the chest, there's 5 more who are just shaking their heads in disbelief as they read it.

Why would I want Hill to be guilty of child abuse?

I haven't read a single ****ing article on the situation. I simply know what the DA said and what the audio recording implies and it paints a pretty clear picture that Hill's past history of abuse remains a present day problem.

Nope..I want concrete evidence that Hill deliberately and maliciously harmed his own child....and this hasn't been a set-up/extortion ploy from the start.

Obviously, that is too much to ask when he's already guilty to people like yourself....that take opinion journalism as fact and decide to play internet executioner.

You are entirely in your right to not like Hill as a person....but projecting guilt on him is merely an extension of that dislike. It's a shame when people dont even understand their own motivations...actually dangerous at times.

Even if Hill was entirely innocent...you would still want him in jail. You've already made up your mind...or had it made up for you.

If Hill hurt his son on purpose...he'll likely be gone. He dug his own hole. If Hill hurt his son on accident/Hill Jr did it himself...and Crystal's Mother-in-law saw it as an opportunity to extort Hill...that's an entirely different scenario.

I am resigned and at peace with the idea that he'll be suspended by the NFL. Likely cut by the Chiefs. I think the most vocal right now are those clinging to a tiny shred of hope that it doesn't happen. We can speculate all we want about why we're convinced he didn't do anything. But with the thin thread he's hanging on, the burden of proof doesn't have to be very much. Until I hear anything otherwise, it feels like we're still discussing now the same things we discussed a week ago in a continuous loop.

Johnson County District Attorney Steve Howe said Wednesday he thinks a crime was committed against the 3-year-old son of Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver Tyreek Hill, but he can’t prove who did it.

So, Howe said, Hill won’t face charges. Neither will Crystal Espinal, the boy’s mother, who is engaged to Hill and pregnant with twins.

In a news conference Howe called at the Johnson County courthouse in Olathe, the prosecutor admitted he was frustrated.

“A child has been hurt,” Howe said. “So, yes, as a prosecutor, as a father of four kids, yes, it frustrates me when someone hurts a child that you can’t do anything about it.”

https://www.kansascity.com/news/loca...229637939.html

The DA said they think there was abuse they just can't prove who did it. They know way more than you do about this case and are professionals. So I'll trust their word over some biased Chiefs fan.

And as a Chiefs fan why the hell would I want Tyreek Hill to be guilty? I was rooting for him to turn his life around and be a success. He was one of my favorite players before this happened. This is the like the last thing I wanted to happen to the Chiefs and to Tyreek.

What else is there to say? Hill should never play another down in a Chiefs uniform, and if the NFL lets him play again for another team then whoever that is should be ashamed of themselves. This issue is about as straightforward as they come.

Pregnant with twins? Really?

The DA said "thinks there was a crime"...notice he wasn't specific as of what type of crime, or by who.

Did it just go over everyone's head..that if he had evidence of a crime, he would have a conviction? He was saving his own political skin...and it was completely unethical to say that without detail....or at all. His opinion set off another round of speculation...and we already knew Hill Jr was injured.

If a child is injured..it isn't automatically "abuse". Accidents arent abuse...

He was "frustrated" because he wanted to use this case as political stepping stone...and couldn't pull it off.

It's apparently gone over your head that the reason no one was charged was because he couldn't get enough evidence to pin it on someone. You must have missed the part where he labeled the crime a "whodunit."

Agreed,

I don't know how the DA got away with saying this.

Theres been reports that when the kid was taken to the hospital not only was his arm broken but there was also marks all over his body.

You guys saying the DA was unethical are really ****ing stupid.

It's Blackop. You can't expect rational thinking.

There were reports of that? Where?

Yes but apparently to some a 3 year old fought back with such force against the beating that he broke his arm.

So he good.

Wrong,

There hasn't been any report of this. Infact had this happened the Hospital would have called CPS, because you know its required by law..


So stop making up sensational bullshit to justify your position.

Where tf are these reports at cuz I havnt seen them

Yea Tyreek announced this during the playoffs

Aren't you the reerun who was convinced after doing Twitter research(LMAO) that one of the grandparents was responsible for the abuse?

Many NFL owners (and billionaires) got that way because they are morally bankrupt.

Does the NFL really want some teams having a competitive advantage because some owners couldn't care less about a portion of fans saying they should be ashamed of themselves?

Looks like more nasty stuff about to drop today on Tyreek. More nails in the coffin.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">imagine what all she has told her son to say. Wouldn’t surprise me if she’s the one that did it. I’m with you though.. not 100% sure what to think about all of it. Fame and money will do crazy things to people and people that are wanting it ����*♀️</p>&mdash; Haylee Stockton (@huebner_haylee) <a href="https://twitter.com/huebner_haylee/status/1123306761379831808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 30, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I truly think that Crystal abused her son not Tyreek.

Remember the first time the cops were called. Tyreek was out of the country however Crystal was there and her name was on the report not Tyreek. I’m thinking she’s manipulating her son to say things about Tyreek that aren’t true.

Days after it was reported Tyreek was in talks for an extension this stuff comes out. I bet Tyreek said that she wouldn’t get the money or won’t get a lot so Crystal thought of a way to bring him down. If he’s gonna ruin my life I am gonna ruin his life

Where you hear this at?

I will say this...if Hill plays this year and KC is in the SB hunt. All the "this is bigger than football" crowd better not dismount their moral high horses. They HAVE to boycott watching...or admit they are hypocrites. I mean, if the DA said he "thinks" there was a crime...and you agree that's enough. Then, that crime still exists 8 months from now.

Put your action where your mouth is...if not, you are a straight up liar.

Never made that claim, I'm suspect that this drama started when a grandparent called the police in March.


Again,

- Zev broke his arm in January
- Police called in March 30 minutes after Tyreeks Deal news broke 1st time
- Police called again a couple days later

THOSE ARE FACTS

The dumb shit you are posting is not factual

I see this is sourced.

Your twitter research ****ing sucks

So they didn't want him to get paid?

Kid was also taken away from Tyreek and Crystal

I’m thinking Tyreek told Crystal that she wouldn’t receive any money or very little and so revenge is best served cold. Thought of a way to come up with a plan to bring him down

No clue about motive. I don't know why they would call, all I know is Tyreek and Crystal accused Crystals Mom. She denied being the one who called.

So it's all a conspiracy to keep Tyreek from getting paid? Holy shit I think you're on to something there....

That's my favorite part about this whole setup conspiracy.

Hill hasn't even got paid yet and they arent even married. She gets absolutely nothing.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Patrick Mahomes numbers when Tyreek Hill either doesn’t play or has fewer than 5 receptions, including the playoffs since 2017:<br><br>63%, 2,695 yards (299ypg), 22 TDs, 5 INTs, 107 rating. <br><br>Chiefs went 6-3 in those games.</p>&mdash; beardwell (@LanceTHESPOKEN) <a href="https://twitter.com/LanceTHESPOKEN/status/1123308110490361856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 30, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If that what you take away from it, sure. I don't know, but it is factually what the events time out as.

KK is going to break this whole thing open...right after we hear from Todd Lebo at Jazz Louisiana Kitchen.

I’m with you on this one BleedingRed, after the facts I think Tyreek told her you won’t get any money so she thought of a plan to get revenge

I think one of the things that bothers me is that fans are putting the onus on each other to decide one way or the other if he's guilty. I live thousands of miles away from Tyreek Hill. I have no ever-loving clue if he's guilty or not. I have no idea if three hours after the audio, Hill said, "Hey... I want to apologize for saying you should be terrified of me. What a shitty thing to say. I reacted out of anger and I'm trying hard to do better. I'm sorry."

No ****ing clue if that happened. Maybe he went to his therapist the next day and was like "i had a shit week, bruh. I did the thing again where I act like people are trying to hurt me and I gotta stop them. It just gets me so mad when she says I hit my kid -- like I would ever actually do that."

NO ONE KNOWS THE TRUTH.

You keep saying conspiracy........ No one else has. Make up what ever you want, but the facts remain.

BleedingRed has been on this case since day 1. He knows what’s up

Do you know what conspiracy means?

Bleedingreerun