Let's be honest though. He didn't draft Hurts in the first. I highly doubt that he was drafted to be the QBOTF. It looks like it worked, but now he will have to try and sustain that success when Hurts stops being cheap. But he is a very good GM.

He built a SB winner, tore it down, has rebuilt another playoff team.

Has had whiffs for sure, but shit, they all do.

The Seahawks are a weird as hell case, their team was bad and they basically had an all time draft followed with a couple of good ones then a bunch of bad ones...

They tear it all down and respond with another outstanding draft, it's like WTF, so you draft great when you have to?

He drafted him in the second, so he certainly took some assets to get. He took a shot. Maybe not THE shot but he took a shot.

Yeah, I think he's good, but probably not top 5. There's just too many really bad rosters out there.

Roseman is just really aggressive and takes chances most GMs won't, he trusts himself enough and probably is sure he won't get fired.

Oh no doubts he took a chance and it paid off.

Real life isn’t a video game.

AR was a good choice though that guy blows hopefully the Raiders draft him.

I mostly agree with this. Except for the part about borrowing from the Rams philosophy. The Rams were trading away picks like crazy and paying a quarterback and others. Philadelphia has traded away Wentz for a first and rolled with Hurts, and they have a top 10 pick this year from the Saints for trading an extra first round pick last year for this one. Yeah. They traded for and paid AJ, but that's just smart to do when you have a quarterback in a rookie contract. None of that is close to what the Rams did.

Fair enough. They obviously didn't copy the Rams approach, but they definitely borrowed from it.

National media gives a ton of love to Lynch and Rat Jr, but there needs to be some balanced criticism, recognizing a huuuuuuge shortcoming of theirs.

2017 was a complete epic disaster for Lynch. He sat there with his supposed QB whisperer head coach, looked at the QBs in that draft, and said, "I'll pass." In my opinion, that is JUST as bad as taking a busted QB with a high pick, which he conveniently has also done. And it turns out even after his little trade down with the Bears, he STILL had the opportunity to take two elite starters (until one of them, well... you know...) and didn't recognize greatness when it stared up at him, even though he had nobody at the position he was married to. Janeane wasn't even a 49er yet at the time.

With that team and Mahomes? Does anybody think they wouldn't have won the last 4 Super Bowls? Or at least 3 of the last 4? Instead they've got one appearance, some wasted draft picks on a presumable bust, and now they're trying to marry themselves to an impressive yet small and brittle Brock Purdy.

They got sooooo much love for their 2017 draft. They were "smart" for not taking a QB. Solomon Thomas was what smart GMs do. The other teams who trade up for QBs are always reaching, and they just don't get it! Well, the results are in, and that was 100% incorrect. And nobody ever talks about it. It's only ever, "look at that blue chip pass rusher he got with a top 5 pick! What a stud GM!"

To show you how much things change quickly, Solomon Thomas went 3rd what 6 years ago?

Gervon Dexter is almost the same prospect and he's a round 2 guy.

Also, it's funny how two supposed Andy Reid puppets are the top two GMs in the league. Wonder how that happened?

People referenced it previously, but here's the link to Rosenthal's rankings:

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-gm-powe...s-makes-his-ma

The Lynch/Junior Shanny regime also inherited Kaep, who would have been ideal in the system.

Let's do a head count here. The last 3 drafts outside of this year.


2022
Trent McDuffie
George Karlaftis
Skyy Moore
Bryan Cook
Leo Chenal
Josh Williams
Darian Kinnard
Jaylen Watson
Isiah Pacheco
Nazeeh Johnson

2021
Nick Bolton
Creed Humphrey
Josh Kaindoh
Noah Gray
Cornell Powell
Trey Smith

2020
CEH
Willie Gay
Lucas Niang
L'Jarius Sneed
Mike Danna
Thakarius Keyes

I would consider all of the bold as draft hits, which ranges from a possible blue chip player to a solid starter on a cheap rookie contract. Not sure many teams compared to this. Maybe Philly or Dallas?

Yeah, he can build a SB roster, but if he can't draft WR talent, I don't think he's a good fit as GM for us.

The CEH one just ****ing sucks what happened there.

I’m a major CEH hater, but he’s scored 17 TDs in 3 season.

If that’s one of our misses? We’re in good shape.

Yes, he is a miss but not the Breeland Speaks level of miss.

My only disagreement is that I think the jury is still out on Cook. Not saying he hasn't contributed, but as a decent, consistent guy? We'll see. On the other hand I'd call Naz Johnson a hit as a 7th rounder who regularly stood out on STs. That's a lot of contributors no doubt.

If the wE dOnT pLEh iNN tEh SOOpErBOwL wIToUT JoNeS sACK oN 3Rd aND aTe window lickers are correct, then the same is also true that without Cook swatting that pass that ended up as an interception, we don't win that game.

Since, you know, games are decided on singular plays that aren't the last play of the game.

Well, yeah, I mean maybe not. Pretty big play.

The talent is there, we need to play clean football. Penalties, drops, and turnovers have been AIDS the first two weeks.

The Jones sack has been explained to you multiple times. Either you are unwilling or unable to grasp what is being explained and why the two scenarios above are not the same thing.

You can't be good unless you draft well. Drafting poorly is a highway to hell. The Chiefs of the mid to late 70s were pretty bad and if you look up their drafts from that era it's pretty easy to understand why.

Passing on Pat was pretty horrible, but I'd argue the Trey Lance deal was the fireable offense.

It would be if Purdy had not worked out.

You don't consider a 2nd round QB a QBOTF? Why else would you spend a premium draft pick on a QB?

Because QBs are the premium position in the NFL. If you see a player you think is your QBOTF, you snag him with your first pick, or trade up to a spot to get him. Sometimes it works out (Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Herbert etc..) and sometimes it doesn't (Mayfield, Fields, Lance, Trubisky etc..). Drafting a QB in the second or later implies a player you hope will develop into a QBOTF. There is just no other position in the NFL that provides a greater ROI than a franchise QB.

It’s stunning to me that these running teams are so bad at finding good QBs. Like, if Tenn or SF had even a top 10-15 qb. Even worse when a team like Atlanta flat out refuses to even try to find one.

This is what you call sustainable roster building.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Young and hungry ��<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> players on their rookie contracts continue to contribute at a high volume, as KC slides in at #2 in total snaps by players still on their rookie deals through Week Two.<br><br>(provided by <a href="https://twitter.com/josephjefe?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@josephjefe</a>) <a href="https://t.co/boOGB6v5Nj">pic.twitter.com/boOGB6v5Nj</a></p>&mdash; KC Sports Network (@KCSportsNetwork) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCSportsNetwork/status/1704629515526307983?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 20, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I'm not going to share the link bc it's KCStar but Sam McDowell had an interesting article about why the Chiefs love the underdog mentality.

The Chiefs have one player on the entire roster that was drafted in the top 20 of the draft. That player is Patrick Mahomes. Every other player was drafted outside of the top 20 picks.

This is why Veach has been so damn good. He's constantly playing at a disadvantage bc of our success and he's still drafting really good players with poor draft position.

Incredible

This year is proof that he's the best in the business. There's no doubt that he's better than Howie Roseman at this point.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The draft class that fueled the start of a dynasty <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFL?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFL</a> <a href="https://t.co/EZTlSUdIAf">pic.twitter.com/EZTlSUdIAf</a></p>&mdash; Chris (@chiefs_outsider) <a href="https://twitter.com/chiefs_outsider/status/1757042904009253281?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 12, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Morher****ers said Howie Roseman was better even after winning the SB last year LMAO

Howie Roseman GM's like he's playing Madden with an imported draft class. Oh lets draft all the guys from the national title team...and I'm gonna sign or trade for all the high rated players!

They've gotta sign Jones now. Just do it and move on.

Just imagine if Moore and Kinnard had hit.

Moore especially. At least Kinnard was a late pick.

Hopefully after back to back, we can get a few veteran ring chasers that sign for less cause they want to win.

At some point, the winning has to translate to getting a ring chaser or two.

I'd bring back Pennel again next year.

I think it applied to Tranquill this year, so maybe we get 1 or 2 more.

It got us Drue this year and Dunlap last year. I could see someone like Keenan Allen on this team next year for reason such as that.

yes.

That would be hilarious considering he post that the Tyreek Hill trade was going to expose people, then he deleted it a few months later.

It would be, but considering they probably can’t keep him and he’s starting to get a little long in the tooth, coming to KC gives him his best chance to win a ring.

I think they are more likely to dump Williams of the 2.

But yea that team is going to be very different, guys like Ekeler are gone.

Dude was incredible last night

Leo Chenal was everywhere yesterday. IIRC he made some big plays in last year's SB too.

Not that guy. He's a Chiefs hating douchebag.

Bet that changes significantly if he’s on this team.

No matter what happens, Moore at least helped us win a Super Bowl so at least he did something positive.

Pennel seems like one of those guys that can just be enormous into his mid-30s. Someone like Vince Wilfork who never lost any athleticism because he never had any to begin with.

"Yo Mike - Just go stand there and be a planet for 30 snaps/gm. Sound like a plan?"

Where's that douche who still wants Dorsey to be the GM?

I've agreed with you too much lately. But when we've agreed it's always spot the **** on so yes do IT!

Jealousy is an ugly mistress.

And he did more than that. He was shedding blocks, throwing guys around, AND chasing guys down. Can't believe he's hanging out on the couch and ready to come in and help the Chiefs win a SB.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mike Pennel vs Trent Williams<br><br>Something the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cowboys?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cowboys</a> need to address desperately is the interior DL. <a href="https://t.co/cvfDas7Rs3">pic.twitter.com/cvfDas7Rs3</a></p>&mdash; Dominic White (@DomWWhite) <a href="https://twitter.com/DomWWhite/status/1757105354054463634?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 12, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This play is insane.

How in the living hell was Pennel out on the street and why does nobody ever seem to want him?

It's been a mystery for years.


He is one-dimensional but he is excellent at that dimension.


Pennel > Nnadi

Silverback my ass. Pennel made him his bitch.

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Planet ROFL

Jesus ****ing Christ.

I got hurt just watching that. That is a ridiculous amount of force applied to 2 dudes.

Thats ****ing incredible.

LOL. That is an incredible GIF

Pennel will be brought back, he’s incredible!

Mike Pennel is a ****ing meat square

He ****ing pancaked Trent Williams and blew up a run on his own at one point.

That Hass to be a priority. And they have to do it soon. Definitely before the draft. They can’t let this fester like they did last year. It Hass to be team friendly though at around 28 million. If he won’t do that they need to look for a team that will agree to a trade and then tag and trade him but do the trade right away so it doesn’t screw up their cap situation. If neither of those things happen before the draft, I guess they just have to let him go. But hopefully the idea of a three peat will make it more accepting of a king friendly deal than he was last year.

Spags was on his couch as well. How did that turn out for everyone. That guy has 4 rings now.

Veach needs to be mentioned in the conversation with the best GMs of all time.

It could get even better. That's the scary part. We haven't seen Nazeeh Johnson in regular season action yet

Also, yeah. I don't care if he's improved. "Chiefs really miss their starting nose Derrick Nnadi, ya know."

Oh yeeeeahhh... shit... damn, it's a shame Nnadi isn't here right now. We're stuck with Pennel. Instead of Nnadi. Well shiiiiiiit amirite?

I can't believe that I didn't realize that we used the Tyreek Hill 4th rd pick from the trade on the trade up to get Rashee Rice.

McDuffie and Rice + tons of cap space. Yeah that alone wins this trade

Mike Pennel is the sneaky great move by Veach and buried side-story of the SB imo. Guy comes back, looks pretty washed his first few games, then rolls back the years in the SB.

Seemed like a desperation move at the time but man it paid off. Much, much better than Nnadi

He's a wizard. Can't wait to watch him work his magic in free agency and the draft.

Thing is this team doesn't need. Keep the defense in tact and get just ONE legit reciever and you can make an argument the team is better than last year.

I finally figured out what this reminds me of:

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MVPennel!
Had himself a game. Unsung hero of the Bowl according to this article:
https://heavy.com/sports/kansas-city...ro-super-bowl/

Pennel needs to stay. Cheap good DL depth is a must.

Difference in the game was the quality of depth on the roster. Omenihu and Thuney are out? A bit tougher sledding but we weathered the storm.

Conversely, Greenlaw goes down and his backup allows 9 catches on 9 targets and a TD, while Feliciano goes down and his backup blows the biggest assignment of the game and allows Jones through unimpeded to Purdy who had at least 2 players wide open for potential game winning TD.

Veach is absolutely incredible at roster churn.

BuT wHaT aBoUt HoWiE rOsEmAn??!!?!11?!??

Again.

He was a street free agent pickup for SB 54 as well, wasn't he? Feel like we picked up him in October when someone went down (or maybe after one of those games where we just puked on our shoes in the run game).

Dude's come in mid-season for two Super Bowl runs and proven very important in both of them. He played 40 friggen snaps Sunday - for a guy his size (and at his age) coming in this late in the year, that's damn impressive.

Yeah, I'd really like to see him brought back next season. Kinda curious why it took as long as it did to bring him in given that Nnadi simply never looked that good anyway. Coaches really do seem to have a blind spot for that guy.