This was a good article about the Cardinals defense owning the Eagles. They blitzzes a lot both in the pass and run.

Man I’m not trying to act overconfident but Jalen Hurts isn’t Joe Burrow. He isn’t Josh Allen either. I’m not even sure he’s Trevor Lawrence.

I think this has the possibility of being a bad time for them if their OL doesn’t dominate.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2023/...-zUTWPCk0VZaXE

Especially not with a bum throwing shoulder. Early reports questioned his ability to return for the playoffs. It’s been 50-ish days since he got hurt. I’m guessing it’s a structural thing like Allen’s UCL.

Their worst offenses performances have come after his injury and he’s not throwing 10+ yard passes well.

EAGLES ARE DIDILLY POO AND WE'RE GOING TO KICK THEIR BUTTS

Okay now this is high level analysis

Superbowl 54 is on NFLN at 8 Central. 3 hour slot so you get the whole thing if you're stumped on what to watch tonight.

To me it looks like he has a labrum tear.

Did you look at his MRI?

Jalen Hurts is a likeable guy. Every time I hear him speak and you watch his demeanor I come away impressed. He's a guy I'd hope can stay at the top of the NFC.

Hope his arm literally explodes on Sunday, but after that I can pull for him.

Some interesting info here:
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Gee, if only Andy could design some plays with over routes in them . . .

If too many people backed the Chiefs. The Super Bowl viewer rating may drop

Been thinking that all season long, he comes off like a very smart dude who means serious business in every single clip I've watched... well chosen words, great demeanor, the works

Hopefully this upcoming loss is instructive for him, and propels him to greater heights in the future...

the eagles on the whole are a pretty likable team. great change from the bengals

Yeah I saw a story about Brandon Graham and people talking about his impact on their lives. Really cool to see. It’s hard to dislike them outside of Sunday. Now if they just didn’t have Suh.

I agree. Hope he continues to have great success in the future like finishing 2nd in MVP voting (behind Mahomes) and coming in 2nd in the SB after losing to the Chiefs.

Floating on cloud 9 right now. Due to a very fortuitous set of circumstances, the wife and I will be 18 rows from the field Sunday. Never in my life did I think I'd attend one of these. Doesn't seem real.

LET'S GO CHIEEEEEFFFFS!!!

Enjoy it man. Make some serious ****ing noise for the rest of us!

Absolutely! Will try to post pics here on gameday depending on the internet situation.

Have fun bro

You’re not just attending a Super Bowl…you’re attending a Chiefs Super Bowl.

I’m sure both of those circumstances felt impossible at one point, right? You get both at once.

Enjoy!

Damn, I’m jelly. You go have a ****ing blast for us man. If I went it would mean losing my 10 days in Jamaica. I love my Chiefs, but I’m not giving up 10 days in Jamaica for a 3 day trip to the SB. I’ll enjoy on the TV, then enjoy my vacation in July! But I’m still jealous, and am positive you’re gonna have the time of your life.

There’s such an interesting crossover between our two teams. Philly fans are ruthless but much as the media has tried to bait them into hating us (Sirianni revenge game! Hurts > mahomes. Sirianni a winner, while Reid tried couldn’t get the job done), most eagles fans haven’t taken the bait. They know us and they respect us.

Because their love for Andy Reid runs real real deep in that city and why shouldn’t it. Because they have an iconic chiefs bar in the city that spags loves to visit. Hell, you’ve got a hall of fame TE who’s bff brothers with Mr. Eagle at the moment. This shit runs all the way back to dick vermeil.

So interesting with all the trash talking that we end up with a Super Bowl with 2 fan bases who are totally different yet get each other.

Take and post as many pictures as you can. Those are going to be amazing seats and shots.

Best time of my life in Miami... Enjoy it, relish it, and yell like hell!

:thumb:

I'm getting really tired of all the talking heads (esp. ones who should know better) comparing the current Chiefs O-Line to the one that got run over by Tampa Bay.

There is absolutely no comparison between the two groups, but everyone keeps saying "Oh, the Chiefs couldn't protect Mahomes in Tampa, how can they possibly to it this Sunday?"

Good God, man, do you even read the rosters? I'm pretty sure there are only two people on the roster who was on that offensive line (Wiley, who was playing RG, IIRC, and Allegreti, who's not even starting . . . *sigh*)

Yeah, man. I've been pretty impressed with the Eagles posters here compared to Bills and Bengals fan. Even on their board, it's pretty mellow. They are confident, obviously, but give much respect to Mahomes. Especially on the one tweet from an Eagles media guy that says Hurts is the type of QB you would build in today's NFL, over Mahomes. Most of the Eagles fans are crushing him for his take. Maybe the get a bad wrap. I get that they booed Santa and cheered for a Michael Irvin injury, but to be fair, I don't think it was the real Santa Claus. And even though I would not cheer a major injury to anyone, you got to admit, Michael Irvin is kind of a douche. And if you think half of Arrowhead wouldn't have been cheering if 90's Elway was laying motionless on the turf, I don't know what to tell you (figure of speech wise, not you personally).

Watching SB LIV on NFL Network right now.

Man, Damien Williams was SO good in this game. Guy was just electric. Even when he wasn't getting chunks, he was a threat to do it. His feet are constantly in motion, he's putting guys on their heels.

It took a pretty great effort by SF to hold him to what they did. He looks like the most dynamic guy on the field in this game.

Congrats man! Have a blast!!

Is Andy Reid sick? He sounds congested in these press conferences.

Of course, then again, these are also terrible mics...

For as good as that defense is supposed to be, they sure lost receivers quite a few times

Adam Teicher thinks the Eagles will win, 27-20.

I hope nothing bad happens to his luggage while he's staying in Phoenix.

LMAO LMAO LMAO

I knew he picked the Eagles to win, but he's saying the Chiefs only score 20?

LMAO LMAO LMAO

He's so ****ing clueless.

Of course he does.. He's a miserable SOB...

Interesting photo

https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/p...wla3oriil3.jpg

Toney as Scout QB, cool

Guys there's a very interesting video on YouTube featuring a guy named DR BRUCE GROSSINGER!!..he's a Doctor and an Eagles fan and him and the guy interviewing him talk about the Jalen Hurts injury!!..boy they are VERY concerned about Hurts's ability to throw in this game and believe he may have a rotator cuff issue and the two weeks rest wouldn't have made any difference. Couple that Waren Sharp's tweet about Hurts's inability to throw to his right accurately plus his poor throwing stats since the injury then it seems like the rumours about Hurts are growing as we get closer to the big dance.

Shocking. What's more shocking is they still let him in pressers to ask questions. I'll put him on my prayers for him to drop dead before Sunday.

Oops on my contraband phone at work I didn't mean to down thumb you Kman. Someone needs to give him a :thumb:

OTHER THAN BROCK PURDY NOBODY HAS HAD LESS SNAPS WHILST TRAILING THAN JALEN HURTS. If the Chiefs put them in a two score hole it's gonna be very interesting to see how he responds...especially if he's forced to throw the ball.

I got around to watching the latest episode of the franchies this morning. Holy Hell border line tearing up with joy for these guys. Kelce is the ultimate team mate too.

Sleeping on Slim Reaper. Many have learned and will continue to. DeVonta plays much much bigger than he is. Go Birds!

Fingers aren't on the laces, he isn't throwing it. Just running carrying it like a loaf of bread.

Jamaica in July ?

You know. I really like y'all over here. Your football knowledge is vast, honest and respectable. You have a great sense of humor amongst each other with some good ball busting along the way. I am glad the Eagles are playing the Chiefs. This has been a fun two weeks and no matter the outcome, we appreciate your kindness to us Eagles fans. Go Birds!

Not trying to be that guy but holy ****ing shit

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Guys, let&#39;s get rich.<br><br>Here is the accepted penalty count in Carl Cheffers&#39; 10 games with the Chiefs in the Mahomes era:<br><br>11<br>15<br>16<br>17<br>18<br>15<br>17<br>12<br>16<br>14<br><br>100% hit rate for Over 10.0 <a href="https://t.co/My4XwXMhtc">pic.twitter.com/My4XwXMhtc</a></p>&mdash; Scott Kacsmar (@ScottKacsmar) <a href="https://twitter.com/ScottKacsmar/status/1623535807196966912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 9, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I think we all know he’s good. We’d welcome him on our team for sure.

Bigger, stronger receivers have given the Chiefs more problems over the years than smaller quicker ones. We tend to fall victim to 50/50 jump balls a lot.

From what I saw of Smith this year, he seemed to either go off or was pretty quiet. Maybe that’s a result of Hurts not being an overly prolific passer. Do I have that right?

I'd take the under. No way the NFL wants this to be about the officiating after the shit they took for how poorly officiated the CCGs were.

If they cared about how they’re perceived for flag fests, then Cheffers wouldn’t be in the Super Bowl

I think a lot of people (I know I would) would've definitely been pleasantly surprised if you would have told us 5 years ago that in the next 5 years, the Chiefs would play huge games vs the Patriots, Niners, Bills, Bengals, and the Eagles (I'm leaving Tampa out because they don't really have fans. Just Brady fans that moved over), and the Eagles fans would by far be the coolest.

It's crazy to me that eagles fans are batting .500 on decent posters. Every other fan base comes in here and just goes full reerun.

In general, I agree. But Cheffers was assigned prior to the media and fan based shit storm over the last two weeks. Plus anytime someone says "Guys, let's get rich" and then posts and NFL trend, you can safely bet that opposite. lol

No one is sleeping on him. He's a great player. But you'd be crazy not to trade him straight up for Higgins or Chase and the point of the post you responded to was that he's good but he's not those guys. That's accurate.

I've heard several times that it's not the same crew he normally works with... and those counts aren't all that crazy specifically for the Chiefs since his normal crew throws 20% more flags than the average (the numbers above being for both teams and below being only the Chiefs).

So, my previous math shows his crew throws 16 flags per game and the average in that tweet is 15.1. :shrug:

I would guess that they are working on returns considering the 3 players that are in this pic.

I don't think anybody is saying he isn't really good. It's just that the Bengals WRs are considered the best in the league. Many believe that they have two #1 WRs. Some might even say that about Boyd but I don't agree. Nothing against the Eagles WR corps but, the Bengals group is better.

I don't think anyone is sleeping on Devonta Smith. Just saying he isn't a big, physical mismatch who can win jump balls 1x1 at a high rate (like a Higgins or Chase or AJ Brown). It's one of the things that makes the Bengals so tough to defend, having two of those guys.

Agree with everything here. When people say the Bengals have 3 #1's, it's comical. Boyd wouldn't be a 1 on the team with the worst WR corps in the league (Bears? Ravens?.....well, maybe the Ravens but they don't really use WR anyway).

There, I just turned your rep green. ;)

Many times, opposing teams' fans just come here to talk crap. If you come in here and do that immediately then you can expect a lot of it right back at you. But if you come here and act like an adult and respect this place and the people in it, then you will be treated okay.

I would not trade straight up for Tee. He is right there with him.

Tee: Regular Season
74 Rec
1,029 Yds
13.9 Avg
7 TDs

Slim: Regular Season
95
1,196
12.6
7 TDs

They lead by talking mad shit and then somehow get "offended" when we tell them to chug anti-freeze.

At this point, I'm convinced they're alt-accounts.

Stats don’t tell the whole story here. Bengals also have Boyd getting a ton of targets.

Drop Boyd for a more comparable WR-WR-TE trio to the Eagles, and Higgins’ numbers would be much higher.

And add to that the fact that I think most Bengals fans were overconfident coming into the AFC Championship game. They assumed they would win and, if they had, they would still be here trashing the place. Bills fans were like that to a certain extent but once Mahomes and 13 seconds, they stopped doing that so much. Huh, go figure. :spock:

The whole NFL trashed the Bengals and their fanbase for talking all that shit. I mean, it was excessive. Hopefully its a humbling experience for them.

Thanks for repping me green. We have a bad reputation. Some of it is somewhat justified from a few bad apples but most of it is from the media.

Weirdly so. Blowhards got their just desserts.

As anyone who peruses the Royals thread knows, Duncan Idaho is a big old stat nerd, and he loves digging in, dusting off his data analysis hat, and seeing what's what.

So I've done that this morning.

The study: How do the Eagles (and Chiefs) 2022 pass rush statistics rate compared to other teams in 2022 and in the 2020, 2021, and 2022 seasons in aggregate?

Finding #1: The Eagles had an outstanding sack/pressure rate in 2022 of 41.7 percent (how many of their team pressures were sacks?), but did not lead the NFL (That would be the New Orleans Saints, who have a good DL and benefited from a schedule with a lot of games against average-bad QBs/offenses on it).

The Eagles' sacks/pressure rate would have led the league by a wide margin in 2020 and 2021, as no other team/unit has been above 40 percent in that period of time.

Interestingly, 8 of the top 10 sack/pressure rate teams from 2020-22 were 2022 squads, and 5 of those were NFC teams.

So what does this tell me? The Eagles are an outlier, with a rate that's in the top 2.5 percent of outcomes. Why?

Schedule is part of it. They played a lot of weak offenses led by average or worse QBs.

Having a "complete" pass rush is part of it, too. Teams that stood out in converting higher percentages of their pressures into sacks tended to have several DL capable of winning (compare 2022 Chiefs to 2020 and 2021, for example. The Chiefs' percentage jumped, with better play at both DE spots).

Finding #2: The Eagles' total number of pressures in 2022 was not an outlier like the sack total was.

Don't get me wrong. The Eagles still had a total number of pressures in the 80th percentile of all teams (82nd, to be exact), which is obviously very good.

But there are two 2022 teams that had more pressures than the Eagles:
Kansas City Chiefs
Jacksonville Jaguars

The Eagles converted pressures into sacks at a higher rate than either (41.7 percent for Eagles, 30.9 for Chiefs, 20.8 for Jags).

So when Eagles media people start trying to say the Chiefs/Mahomes have never faced a pass rush that can generate pressure like the Eagles, it's true if you're talking about raw sack totals... and not true if you're talking about pressures on the QB.

The Jaguars in 2022 were more successful at generating pressures than the Eagles, and the 2020 Bucaneers, 2021 Cowboys, 2021 Bills, 2020 Ravens, 2021 Bengals, 2021 Steelers, and 2021 Titans all were, too.

I'll stop there. But I think there is important context lurking under the surface that so many fans and media are just missing/not digging into.

It will be interesting to see if the Eagles high conversion rate of pressures to sacks continues in the Super Bowl. I believe it won't, due to the following factors:

1) The Eagles' conversion rate in 2022 was an outlier, and could be considered fluky/driven by the quality of competition they faced

2) Patrick Mahomes is better at getting the ball out quickly AND escaping pressure than any QB the Eagles have faced this year, even at less than 100 percent.

3) The Chiefs OL is better at pass blocking than any team the Eagles have faced this year, because it's the best pass blocking unit in the NFL. Especially on the interior, where Joe Thuney, Creed Humphrey, and Trey Smith all post elite (top 5) win rates on pass blocks, with Thuney and Creed being leaders in that regard.

If you've made it to the end of this, please accept my thanks and apologies.

Levelheaded post.. Now.. Know your role and shut yo mouth.. :LOL:

Welcome to Chiefplanet.. you can stay..

Follow up analysis:

I went back and added 2018 and 2019 to my data set.

The Eagles' 70 sacks remain the top mark in that five-year period, and their sack/pressure rate becomes even more of an outlier, as the sack total is in the 99th percentile, but the pressure total falls into the 77th percentile.

End summary:
The Eagles' 2022 squad is very special at converting pressures to sacks, doing so at a higher rather than any other defense in the past 5 years.

It is not especially special at generating pressure on the QB. It's good, but not exceptional.

The 49ers team the Chiefs beat in Super Bowl LIV had more pressures on the year, for example. One of 14 teams the Chiefs have played in the past five years who had more pressures of the QB than this year's Eagles team.

Like many others here have already mentioned, I don't believe anyone is sleeping on Smith. The kid is very good. The confidence comes from how well they defended the Bengals receivers with Burrow throwing it. Also if Hurts is still injured in his throwing shoulder he won't be nearly as effective throwing it which will minimize Smith's ability to beat this team.

Best of luck bro! Nice having legit fans stop by and not just trolls like the sack of shits from Cincy and Beefalo

One reason their sack rate is so high and Duncan briefly mentioned it is that they get pressure with more than one guy. The Jags only have one good rush defender in Josh Allen, most QB’s can avoid one guy if there is nobody else there to clean it up. The Eagles have been successful as their DL is full of guys who can clean it up after the first one gets pressure.

The Chiefs have been much better at DE this year. When Karlaftis/Clark/Dunlap get a little pressure and force the QB up Jones cleans it up. I don’t see Karlaftis beating Lane Johnson very often, but he can stay in his lane and clean a couple up, we need Clark and Jones to get Jalen moving initially tho. Sneed could have a couple of big blitzes as well.

Brandon Williams also might get a little more play as a run stuffer this game.

I’ve been looking at the Twitter folks analyzing the Eagles. They really rely on their front 4 and sit everyone else back.

They’ve got some depth too with Quinn and Suh rotating as rotational backups.

I just listened to Times Ours and I agree with a lot of their sentiment to use a shit ton of 12 and 13 personnel like we did against the Cardinals.

I think that’s ideal

Similar outcome would definitely be ideal :D

The Eagles have a pair of great interior pass rushers in Hargrave and Cox (and good depth behind them). When you watch their all-sack highlight, you don't see a lot of "quick win speed rush on the outside" sacks. You see a lot of unit rushes that collapse the pocket steadily, or wins with power.

The Chiefs' OL is set up to be good at countering those.

Okay what the hell is happening here.

Why are Eagles fans amazing now?

Had a dream McKinnon returned an attempt at an onsides kick for a touchdown and suddenly the rout was on.




Summary: this is the first time I've dreamt about an upcoming football game I wasn't playing in and it seems that the Elders are clearly sending me a message.

Passive aggressive Dixlics mults always leave many questioning

You mean the same Roger Goodell when asked about how awful officiating is said that "it's never been better"

I say we blanket short routes see if he can beat us deep...scary thing to test though