Side note.

Wtf.do we.not do stunts on defense.
You figured we would do something different than straight rush.

Get that man a gallon of Gatorade before the next game.

Saving it for the playoffs? :)

Every team is taking advantage of our LT.

The Chargers, in both games this year, have done the best job disrupting the interior too.

Every team is taking advantage of Andy Reid as well. He HAS to start running the ball again or he’s gonna get Mahomes hurt.

We only had 16 runs until the last drive to ice the game. This after only running the ball 14 times and throwing 46 (!!!) last week. This cannot happen anymore. It just can’t. Is Andy intentionally trying to get Patrick hurt?

Guys a major problem is the DL know we won’t run the ball. It’s the same as having a lead. They pin their ears back and don’t care if we get a successful run here or there.

Andy is making life harder for the OL and Mahomes. He needs to run the freakin ball more and utiiize play action off of it.

I agree they should have run the ball more last night. They actually had some success. Prior to that, though? The running game has been bad for weeks. No push. Getting 2 yards a carry on every attempt. It would be foolish to run the ball more when it's constantly putting us in 3rd and long.

That being said, they actually looked better last night. So hopefully the play calling will evolve.

I agree, and hey again that's something that they flipped the switch with last year.

We couldn't hardly gain 2 yards a pop on Christmas vs. the Raiders, then in the playoffs it was back to being a nice balance where Pacheco was doing a nice job.

Here's hoping we see the same. IDK how Andy could watch last night and the hits Patrick took and not come away thinking that it cannot be their identity for another game this year. You can't keep passing at this clip.

Hate to say it guys but this team needs an ass whooping. A straight up ass whipping.

They didn’t truly acknowledge their issues last year until the Raiders forced them too on X mas and this feels the same this year.

Wouldn’t surprise me if the Steelers beat us badly on X Mas day tbh. They desperately need the wake up call they got from the Raiders right now.

The issue with the run game is that we're getting less and less effective at it because teams AREN'T sitting in 2-high against us anymore.

A lot of these plays are based on box counts and Mahomes has a check at the line. He's getting a lot more loaded boxes than he used to and so we're passing the football out of it.

But everything is sideways so A) It's not terribly effective and B) Its not forcing those safeties BACK out of the box.

And as noted in another thread, when you only get 8-10 drives in a given game because your defense can't force quick stops or turnovers (and your offense isn't explosive) every single drive counts. So you can't dedicate 2-3 drives to running the ball ineffectively in order to try to keep defenses honest.

It's really not as simple as "Run the ball, Andy!" because we've had a snowball of things offensively (and really, defensively) that make that really inefficient for us and right now we can't afford offensive inefficiency.

We'll absolutely run the ball when it's there. We did most of the season. Andy didn't just decide "Eh, **** it, I wanna pass..." -- teams adjusted to close the run lanes and so we're trying to find a new adjustment back.

Ideally, that game won’t even matter.

I actually hope we clinch the 1 against Houston then put the starters on ice.

I think that break can be a mini offseason reset. Couldn’t hurt.

You've gotta get more explosive, but we can't seem to block it up well enough. I dunno, we're running on fumes and guts here.

I mean we handed the ball off to Pacheco, Hunt and Perine a combined 20 times for a whopping 74 yards last night, guys.

We aren't running the ball well and teams are intentionally looking to shut it down at this point because they just aren't scared of us attacking the safeties with the pass.

Honestly, the answer is easily "Throw it deep!" as much as it is "Run the ball" -- we have got to start making them pay for the aggressive boxes they're sending at us. And no, if the best we can do on 20 carries is to run for 75 yards, we don't need to be running the ball more either. ESPECIALLY not when we're throwing for about 5.5 yards/attempt at the same time.

Trey Smith

He’s regressed this year to the point that it’s almost shocking. He is not making good blocks in the run game and his issues in pass pro are amplified.

That penalty last night was full on disaster. It ruined a great drive that got into the red zone.

I’m done with the guy. And quite honestly I wouldn’t hate Veach if he drafted an OL like Graham Barton in the first rd to replace him bc man it is painful watching Patrick get knocked around continuously.

I seriously fear for his health at this point.

I agree. Bit of we are going to threaten deep we need to use our deep threats. We took a couple shots this game and they were to Hopkins. Worthy want even on the field at the time. Watson is more of a deep threat than Hop too

And again, it's like Deja Vu from last year. Couldn't hit anything explosive and then in the playoffs we get good MVS for what, 3-5 30+ yard completions?

I'd rather get that going a little sooner this year.

I agree with DJN. It's not that we aren't running enough. It's that defenses are finally defending the run and daring us to throw, and right now it's working. It looks like to me that they're basically doubling/boxing both Travis and DHop whenever possible and playing a lot of man vs. our other receivers, and it's working most of the time. Our passing offense is just struggling right now because we really don't have other reliable options vs. man.

I think Humphries is a serious upgrade and will get better with more game reps (I hope to God he's not seriously hurt), and the return of Hollywood should make the difference.

He got worked up the arc 3-4 times last night.

Now maybe he is just knocking rust off, but he wasn't a notably upgrade over anything Morris gave us this season (Raiders disaster excluded).

If he's going to make a difference, he needs to get a lot better and very quickly.

Oh of course. I don't want to run the ball more to win. I want to run the ball more so Patrick Mahomes doesn't get hurt and we might still win. In the playoffs chuck the ball --- except on short yardage and in goalline which we pass way too often.

The problem is that our running game is resulting in too many 3rd and longs, which will also ultimately get Pat killed with this line.

Until they figure out how to run the ball EFFECTIVELY nothing is going to change.

Maybe. I felt like his issues were due mostly to rust. Otherwise, he looked a lot more athletic and just didn't have rushers running right past him for the most part. And on a couple reps, he managed to recover after partially missing a block. To me, that was an improvement.

Of course, it's been so long since I've seen good LT play, I could be imagining things a little.

And, most of what I saw was during the first half. I had to miss a decent portion of the second half, so it's possible/likely I missed a lot of his bad reps. But I would still contend that a lot of that could've been simply due to lack of reps and his lack of game shape.

Yeah - that 3rd and 10 play on the first drive leading to the punt after Baylor Cupp dropped an easy 6-8 yard catch and run really set the tone for the night.

Because as soon as it was 3rd and 10, the offense didn't seem to have a plan. That play never had a chance to do anything and sho 'nuff, it didn't.

They just cannot handle 3rd and long. Now if you're running it at a consistent 4 yards/clip, you're fine. But we weren't. I mean even that mediocre YPC figure from last night came after Pacheco had 3 pretty solid carries on the last drive. Before that, they were struuuuuuuugling.

And unlike the Chargers, who could seeming dial up an easy pitch and catch over the middle on 2nd and 9 to get to 3rd and 1, if our 1st down play didn't work, it seemed our 2nd down play wouldn't either.

I mean, it's just not a very good offensive team right now. There are a LOT of things that simply aren't working.

Yeah, the Charger front just....well flatly dominated.

And we couldn't cover anyone very well. I dunno, they need to get the 1 seed locked up and get some shit figured out but it may just be a not enough Jimmy's and Joe's thing.

There's just times when it's 3rd and 6 plus you can see Pat is a 1 read and dirt or run Qb. Which....hell he's getting hit so I get it.

Theres a reason teams don't win 3 Super Bowls in a row and winning 2 isn't exactly easy. Between father time catching up with Kelce and a team on a torrid playoff win pace is beat up from the last 5 years. Eventually something had to give. Maybe they can figure out enough to will this team to 3, but I think many of the cracks/issues aren't simply going away.

Outside of Worthy are offensive playmakers are slow. Losing HB and Rice killed this offense. I am anxious to see how our offense opens up when Hollywood is back in a couple of weeks.

But when you look at the best offenses in NFL (Detroit, Buffalo, Cinci) they have speed at all 3 skill positions. We have like one guy as Kelce has lost a couple of steps from last year.

And yet on the TD drive, he was extremely decisive and it kept him clean.

That's what I don't understand about what Pat is doing these days. He's GETTING himself hit. His indecision back there is what leads to his hardest shots pretty much every game.

But when he hits his drop and fires, things work. And he has guys with big frames and large catch radiuses. He needs to be more aggressive on when he lets them use those. All too often he gets back there, expects to see someone Tyreek open because he dusted a guy and then when he doesn't see that, he pats the ball and starts dancing.

Man, if you have the look you wanted and the receiver doesn't fall down - throw it. Let him make a play on the ball.

Other QBs are doing it. We aren't.

You're right, but also... the two huge conversions were not decisive. Those were extended plays that either did end with him getting hit, or nearly did. Great plays though.

But yes, they really need to focus on executing a quick rhythm passing game out of the chutes. Starting the game with a 6-yard out isn't a bad option when the DBs are playing 8-10 yards off all night like they were yesterday.

Humphries apparently went back into the game at the end? I just looked and he did. He seems fine.

Fellas. He’s turning 31 in 3 weeks. He was out of football for 11 months coming off an ACL. They rushed him and this was his first game back.

The man probably got cramps. Give it a few games. Let’s be realistic here.

He did? How did no one catch that if so?

If so it was for kneel downs. Cause he wasn't in there for the Kelce conversion.

I told some folks pre-game, it probably is gonna look real rusty Sunday night. Hopefully the fresh legs really start to show after he gets through these next couple weeks which are essentially his training camp.

That's interesting. It looked to me like cramps and it's hard to be surprised with him not being in game shape. Let's hope so.

Did he really? I missed that.
Can someone confirm?

Imagine getting a hamstring cramp in an NFL game..

On occasion I’ll get chest, quad and calf cramps and literally just sitting there existing becomes painful.

He did good. He wasn’t great, or amazing but better than what we’ve had at LT all year.

What was interesting though, having him in there and offer more protection sort of exposed the other weaknesses on that line. Creed had a bad game, Taylor and Trey did not have a good game at all. Right now I wouldn’t be pleased with paying Trey

Oh thank you baby jesus he good

I just watched the last drive and saw Morris out there the entire time...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid said DJ Humphries (hamstring) feels a little bit better this morning but is due for an MRI.</p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1866188720904310980?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This.

And it's not like the guy is in game shape. He may have been spent so they got him out of there.

I don't think he came back into the game last night, but this isn't terrible.

But they don't do MRIs for cramps.

Sign Donovan Smith ASAP.

If Smith were an option, he'd already be here. He's not coming.

Yeah there's no good reason not to IDC what anyone says.

You can't run the risk that Wanya has to play in the playoffs. It'll end us for sure.

Yet, I am not expecting the signing unless DJ is out for the long haul.

I just looked. You're wrong.

This is fake news

Humphries was their preferred option, but now he’s injured with an injury that can be stubborn to heal.

The alternative to not signing Donovan Smith is going back to Wanya.

Doesn’t seem like they want to go with Thuney full time at LT.

I like Rainman's fat Japanese sumo wrestler idea.

Donovan Smith is likely done. He's not coming.

He was back on the field at the end of the game. The guy got cramps. Is this really hard to believe in his situation?

Guys get these nagging injuries in camp a lot early. It’s part of getting back into football shape

No he wasn't

Andy just said DJ is getting a MRI..

It may be nothing, but why is he getting an MRI today if it was just cramps?

Probably checking the grade of hamstring strain and or his knee..

They need an MRI for this? LMAO

He seems fine

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid said DJ Humphries (hamstring) feels a little bit better this morning but is due for an MRI.</p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1866188720904310980?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yeah IDK where you're getting this info from. He stayed on the sideline but he did not play again.

RunKC you on drugs? If so, that's fine. But stop spreading false information.

It's a copypasta.

Relax.

Just watched the last drive. After he came back in, Humphries was a roaf like headache. Just pancaking defenders left and right.

Dammit beat me to the joke

I swore I saw him back out there. Not the only one who saw it

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not from Andy but he did come back into the game</p>&mdash; Tucker D. Franklin (@tuckerdfranklin) <a href="https://twitter.com/tuckerdfranklin/status/1866162171878498617?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He didn't take a single snap. Didn't see him on any play.

This is peak CP LMAO

Oof. MRI?

Yeah, not good. Was hoping it was just cramps.

Maybe it’s the Willie roaf gout

Looking more like a Sammy Watkins like headache

What a bad year for injuries.

4/6 WR’s on week 1 depth chart on IR
RB1 on IR
WR3 (Juju) out for about a month
CB2 on IR
TE3 on IR
TE4 on IR
K on IR
Backup K on IR

Just a monstrous wave of attrition. And we are about to play 3 games in 10 ****ing days

**** you NFL

Hollywood just had cramps he's been playing for 13 weeks

Is Gabe Davis going to play?

Let’s go win these next two, and that third one may just be a bye week.

He looked really good. Him and thuney didn’t communicate well on the stunts

As opposed to 'skinny' Japanese sumo wrestler? Absolutely.

Really?

I never so much as found him on the sideline again at the end of that game. They have a tunnel in the middle of the sideline, I'd presumed they'd just walked him down it and back to the lockerroom.

Once I couldn't find him on the sideline after he got off the table, I just assumed he was done and stopped trying to spot him. And he's a large man - I figure he'd have stood out.

I really don't think he re-entered the game.

Last night showed that just upgrading personnel is not going to be enough to fix the pass protection issues.

Playcalling, schemes, Mahomes getting rid of the ball quicker… has to be a comprehensive effort.

That's the most frustrating part of it. The hurry up drive, outside a couple other throws, Pat is creating or at least making the porous OL even worse being indecisive on cutting it loose. That drive they ball was coming out quick and they looked like a dangerous offense. Then poof, back to indecision most of the second half. The OL isn't helping him much, but he needs to get that ball out faster.

Unfortunately, I missed most of the TD drive. Does anyone remember if they were running hurryup? As in, no huddle?

Just pulled up the game and looked at last few plays and Wanya Morris was still in at LT.

Yes, they were running tempo.

Andy credited that as a reason for the drive’s success during the halftime interview.

Not sure why the Chiefs don’t run tempo more… it’s a good way to negate the pass rush.

Then Andy caught them in a personnel package he liked. But for some reason he couldn't do it again the rest of the game. Or, it's possible that he didn't try to do it again. "Plans within plans" shit. Or, maybe it had something to do with Humphries not being ready for that.

I hope we see more of that kind of thing in the playoffs, because I think that's going to be the best way to keep the offense moving/scoring in Jan.

He did? I must have missed that.

Yeah - and he about ruined the play to Kelce, IIRC.

It was that one or the throw to Worthy.

He just got smoked and it was Thuney (I think) that had to save his ass. And even then, it was the roll to the right that did it. Had Mahomes stayed in the pocket, he'd have gotten smashed.

The problem with Morris at this point is that he's just going to lost catastrophically about 1/3 of the time and it seems to come at the most critical moments.

EDIT:

Yeah - it's the Kelce throw

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mahomes. Kelce. FIRST DOWN.<br><br>��: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LACvsKC?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LACvsKC</a> on NBC/Peacock<br>��: Stream on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFLPlus?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFLPlus</a> <a href="https://t.co/hLUBei2uwf">pic.twitter.com/hLUBei2uwf</a></p>&mdash; NFL (@NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1865974106522611871?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Just completely whiffs on his punch. Damn near falls down. What an embarrassing rep.