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duncan_idaho 07-24-2018 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 13641423)
I gotcha. Last nights game was the first loss I was legitimately pissed off about.


There are no losses worth being pissed about. Things to be pissed about:

Mondesi not playing (unless injured or on leave)

Dozier or Bonifacio not playing

Running Perez into the ground by having him catch too much

Not trading Moustakas and/or Duda

OKchiefs 07-24-2018 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13641455)
There are no losses worth being pissed about. Things to be pissed about:

Mondesi not playing (unless injured or on leave)

Dozier or Bonifacio not playing

Running Perez into the ground by having him catch too much

Not trading Moustakas and/or Duda

I'll add to the list. I'll be pissed if Merrifield and Duffy are not traded at either the deadline or in the offseason.

Chiefspants 07-24-2018 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13641463)
I'll add to the list. I'll be pissed if Merrifield and Duffy are not traded at either the deadline or in the offseason.

Duffy needs to continue rebuilding his value before we trade him off. That deal is still a steal if he can pitch at 2016 levels.

WhawhaWhat 07-24-2018 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13641463)
I'll add to the list. I'll be pissed if Merrifield and Duffy are not traded at either the deadline or in the offseason.

What kind of return are you expecting for them?

OKchiefs 07-24-2018 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 13641475)
Duffy needs to continue rebuilding his value before we trade him off. That deal is still a steal if he can pitch at 2016 levels.

Well that's my assumption that he will continue to do so. I think he might be a better fit for an offseason trade.

OKchiefs 07-24-2018 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 13641488)
What kind of return are you expecting for them?

Well, with a different GM I'd expect a pretty sizable return on both. I don't know enough to get too specific. Of course, I have no faith in Moore to pull off a big trade considering he rarely comes out the winner in trades and has almost no track record since trading Greinke of pulling off big trades. I don't think he has the skill or balls to make the necessary moves.

Great Expectations 07-24-2018 08:35 AM

I thought the big trades for Cueto and Zobrist played out pretty well for us.

WhawhaWhat 07-24-2018 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13641503)
Well, with a different GM I'd expect a pretty sizable return on both. I don't know enough to get too specific. I don't think he has the skill or balls to make the necessary moves.

Duffy is having the worst season of his career and making $15 mil for the next 2 years so they'd be selling low. What would you give up for him?

tk13 07-24-2018 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 13641511)
I thought the big trades for Cueto and Zobrist played out pretty well for us.

Not to mention the Guthrie trade, the Shields trade, and the jury is still out on the Soler trade. Dayton's done a decent job with trades, even though he's often criticized for them. Even for Herrera, he got more than the Mets did for Familia.

Now free agent signings are a whole other deal, he's not done very well there, but as we've seen this offseason teams are starting to get more stingy when it comes to FA because it's such a risk.

OKchiefs 07-24-2018 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 13641511)
I thought the big trades for Cueto and Zobrist played out pretty well for us.

I'm talking about selling assets for big returns. He's shown very little ability to do so.

jd1020 07-24-2018 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 13641539)
jury is still out on the Soler trade.

How can the jury still be out on that trade? Soler is still on the Royals producing and Wade Davis isn't on the Cubs.

OKchiefs 07-24-2018 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 13641527)
Duffy is having the worst season of his career and making $15 mil for the next 2 years so they'd be selling low. What would you give up for him?

That's mostly been from early season struggles. He's been much better lately, and I'm assuming he will continue to return to his career norms. If he pitches 3.00 ERA or so the rest of the year I would imagine teams would go off of that and not what he did to start the season.

duncan_idaho 07-24-2018 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13641540)
I'm talking about selling assets for big returns. He's shown very little ability to do so.


Seriously, man, what the **** are you talking about?

Dayton Moore has sold major assets exactly two times as GM of the Royals:

1) Zack Greinke
2) Wil Myers

Both of those trades were monumental successes and contributed in huge ways to the best five year run of Royals Baseball since the 80s, including two AL Pennants and a WS title.

The next biggest return he has moved was Wade Davis, and Davis’ stock had taken a major hit due to his injury issues in 2016.

gblowfish 07-24-2018 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 13641179)
Well this is fun.

Well, after sweeping the Twinks, Ned had to get us back on track in the race to the bottom. Brandon Maurer folks....his line for 2018 is Leonard Pinth Garnell Quality Awful:

Game Appearances: 16. Record: 0-4 with 1 save. 12 innings pitched. 25 hits, 19 runs, 4 homers, 11 walks, 7 Ks, ERA of 14.25. Opposition is hitting .439 against him.

Last night he faced three batters. All three scored.
And he draws a paycheck.

There's GOT to be somebody in Omaha or Arkansas who can do better than this stiff.

OKchiefs 07-24-2018 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13641552)
Seriously, man, what the **** are you talking about?

Dayton Moore has sold major assets exactly two times as GM of the Royals:

1) Zack Greinke
2) Wil Myers

Both of those trades were monumental successes and contributed in huge ways to the best five year run of Royals Baseball since the 80s, including two AL Pennants and a WS title.

The next biggest return he has moved was Wade Davis, and Davis’ stock had taken a major hit due to his injury issues in 2016.

Will Meyers trade was still part of buying big league talent. I still see a distinction between buying big league talent and selling. He's had no problem buying, but I personally don't like the track record on selling. I guess he hasn't been a seller that often for us to be too judgemental, although that in and of itself is a problem as well. He has a track record of hanging on to guys for too long and not selling when the opportunity presents itself. The Zack Greinke trade is the only trade where he has gotten a huge return. Even that trade was viewed as less than what should have been expected. In hindsight the trade worked out great, but I don't think you can expect every trade that looks a little light on the return to pay off beyond what is expected.

I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not the only one to suggest Moore is gun shy on pulling off big trades or to question his ability to get a big return.


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